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DP and his job situation...I think I might kill him

231 replies

Eastie77 · 07/10/2014 18:13

Thought about a NC as I have complained about DP in the past and received a lot of useful advice. I have taken it on board. But this is a new issue.

I need help managing DP and getting him to take this (un)employment situation seriously.

The background is he is from Southern Europe, an area of high unemployment where a lot of young people do not have their first real job until they are mid-20s. He has never quite understood the working culture in the UK. He tells me that the fact that I had a job working PT when I was 17 is tantamount to child abuse and what a pity I missed out on the lovely childhood he had spending every day on the beach. Confused

So: he was suspended from his job on full pay in June. This wasn't totally unexpected as there had been ongoing issues with his performance for over a year and he had in fact been advised by a manager last year that he was considered incompetent and should look for another job. The grounds for his suspension were numerous as there were several complaints from one of his clients about the quality of his work. He suspension lasted around 3 months (long investigation) and during this time, despite knowing he would likely end up getting the sack, he did zero to find a new job. This was because he'd had enough of working for 'the man' and said if he was sacked he would take his employer to court and win a massive pay out. Cloud cuckoo land.

He was dismissed, as expected, and after taking legal advice he finally accepted the mega payout was not going to materialise and he would have to look for a new job. He then VERY reluctantly produced an atrocious CV which he haphazardly sent to a few agencies. When none of the agencies replied he said with barely concealed glee "well, that's a pity but at least I can look after DD on Fridays (our CM only works Mon-Thurs so we had previoulsy had to juggle her childcare arrangements on that day). He completely missed the point that we NEED 2 incomes to stay afloat.

I decided to re-do the CV for him. It was like getting blood out of stone just to get basic information such as his education and list of his responsibilities in his previous jobs etc. He was irritated and annoyed when I asked him a few basic questions. In short, I spent an entire day reworking the CV, creating a LinkedIn profile (of course he's 'never heard of LinkedIn') and sending off applications while he watched TV. He also decided that it was an optimal time to pursue his interest in alternative health remedies and signed up to an expensive part time distance course. I wouldn't have bothered making all this effort but as said we need his income.

After reworking the CV he was invited to about 8 interviews in the space of just 2 weeks and was offered a job last month. When he received the offer he was sullen and downcast as going back into the workforce would be a 'nightmare' and he would once again be caught up in the capitalist rat-race working like a slave etc. Hmm

Just to re-iterate he spent June, July and August at home relaxing while I worked FT and DD was at the childminder. We also have a cleaner so he doesn't do much housework either.

After 3 days in the new job he came home and complained that he was being worked too hard and asked to do dangerous jobs (he works in building maintenance). These were the same complaints he had about the job he was sacked from and from what I can gather he considers being asked to climb a ladder 'dangerous'. Finally he said he'd have to get a new job as he hated this new one so much. He arranged interviews via a few agencies. While I would ordinarily have been pleased with him taking some initiative, the problem was he taking time off his new job to attend the interviews as he apparently couldn't arrange them before or after work.

In the space of 3 weeks he took the equivalent of 5 or 6 days off to go to these interviews. Eventually his new manager (who works from a different location) called him at home one day to discuss his concerns over DP's attendance, timekeeping and general attitude. The new manager actually seemed to really like DP and said that he wanted to find a compromise to keep him happy. He therefore proposed a new, mobile role which would involve DP driving to different sites but the jobs he'd be carrying out would be more in keeping with the kind of things he wanted to do rather than the 'dangerous' tasks he was performing. DP's reponse? "Thanks but I don't like driving around too much as I get dizzy." I don't know if this is true or not, he has never mentioned dizziness before when driving.Hmm

The manager persuaded DP to nevertheless try the new role and a brand new van was delivered to our flat a couple of days later which DP was to use to drive to carry out his jobs. The first job he was assigned was at an airport about 1 hr drive from our place. The hours were 8am-5pm. DP woke up on the day and declared that he would not drive to the airport as he did not have a Satnav and was not sure how to get there. I offered him the use of one of Smartphones which has a map facility (I basically use it as a Sat Nav) and he said no as he is not good with technology. He therefore took the train and arrived 1.5 hours late.

On day 2 he took the train again and then took the afternoon off to attend yet another job interview.

On day 3 he once again refused to drive so arrived late and then left the airport site at 3pm without telling anyone as "it takes me 2 hours to get home so if I leave at 5pm I won't get home until 7pm and I am not paid from 5pm-7pm".

On day 4 I arrived home to find out he had been sacked. He had evidently exhausted the goodwill of even the manager who had tried to help him. Angry

So here we are. He has not heard back from any of the interviews he attended so he has basically probably lost this job for nothing. He is TOTALLY unconcerned and said is 'relishing' the time off so that he can catch up with his studies and spend quality time with DD. When I ask how he proposes we pay our bills at the end of this month, and indeed how he intends to pay for the course which has a monthly fee of £300, he tutted and replied "They can't take what we don't have. If I'm chucked off the course for non-payment I will enrol again next month. Tell the childminder we will have to reduce DD's hours. You need to learn to relax" And then he offered me a homeopathic remedy to calm me down.

I feel like I need an intervention because I have a young child and so do not want to end up in jail but I feel like I might want to kill him. But maybe I do need to breathe and relax. I'm hoping one of the multiple interviews turns into a job offer. I just cannot take the laid back 'que sera, sera' attitude.

Thank you if you've got this far. No-one needs to reply really. I just needed to get this off my chest and feel so much better now I've written it all down.
Off to drink some Wine
Eastie

OP posts:
WildBillfemale · 07/10/2014 19:34

You are his meal ticket.

Sorry this is it, this is him, it's not going to change.

furcoatbigknickers · 07/10/2014 19:37

The letters ltb are screaming at you

SnakeyMcBadass · 07/10/2014 19:38

Kill him.

Whereisegg · 07/10/2014 19:39

I'll give you an alibi.

SocialMediaAddict · 07/10/2014 19:42

Bloody hell.

Joking aside why the fuck do you put up with him??!

DiaDuit · 07/10/2014 19:43
Shock

OP you need to book yourself in for tattoo removal and have the M.U.G removed from your forehead.

He is playing you for a fool and you are letting him. For reasons i fail to understand.

Corabell · 07/10/2014 19:47

There is nothing you can say or do to manage him or change him.

Lazy bastard!

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 07/10/2014 19:47

Yes. Unbelievable.

Thread 1 OP - My DP has been a prick
All of MN - Leave the bastard

Thread 2 OP - My DP continues to be a prick
All of MN - LEAVE the bastard

Thread 3 OP - My DP has found a new way to be even more of a prick
All of MN - FFS OP LTB already

OP please break the mold and DO something about this asshole!!!

Chandon · 07/10/2014 19:56

Yet. You will stay with him.

Because you are the only person in the workd who really understands him.

In your calmer moments you think we are all meanie witches.

Sounds a nightmare to me.

And he will not change. People don't change.

PacificDogwood · 07/10/2014 19:57

What everybody else said.

Shock

Why are you with him, exactly?

Iggly · 07/10/2014 19:59

Is he really good in bed? Is that why you stay with him?

Do you think you'll have a happy family with you him and your dd?

Honestly. Write us a list of reasons why this man is worth it.

Cloudhowe63 · 07/10/2014 20:01

Your choice OP! You know what you've got here. He has told you VERY clearly exactly who he is. By keeping him you are at least ensuring some other unsuspecting woman doesn't find out the hard way. Would you want a partner like this for your daughter some day?

Eastie77 · 07/10/2014 20:01

Thank you for the forthright replies...in answer to some questions (sorry have not read entire thread so might not answer all)

joanofarchitrave: yes we'd be able to manage if he was at home full time and we got rid of the CM and cleaner - the cost of both comes to around £900 a month minus childcare vouchers. But I really wouldn't want him to look after DD FT. Although he would care for her well I've posted previously in Relationships about the fact that he doesn't 'do' toddler groups so I'd worry about her not socialising with other kids etc. Besides she loves her CM - as do I!

Renting out a room..well my flat is small so not really something I'd considered to be honest.

Yes DP is DD's dad. He adores her. I'm not trying to defend him at all but he is brilliant with her. Weekends he will get up, make breakfast, take her out if i want a lie-in etc. When it comes to her nothing is too much trouble. The problem is his work ethic in other areas.

I work in Digital advertising and take home around £2700ish after the childcare vouchers and pension payments. In bonus months i take home £3700. I realise this is a very healthy salary which is probably part of the reason DP is so relaxed about everything BUT I save a good deal every month so we can move to a bigger property. I own the flat we live in. It is a small 2 bed in a very 'trendy' part of London but not a family place.

The course he is studying is Nutritional Therapy. He wants to work in alternative medicine. Course fees were £3k plus so he decided to pay monthly as couldn't pay all up front.

Yes the burning question, why I am putting up with this. Well

  1. As above he is great with DD. And I know this sounds selfish but the fact that he, for example, picks her up for CM and does her dinner and bath means that if I have to work late (not a regular thing) or do a client meal I can do do so without worrying about her. I know this doesn't compensate for his laziness in other areas
  2. He is kind, thoughtful, generous..I should add that when he works he pays his way without a murmur. Money goes straight into our account without fail. He has never not paid his share
  3. He told me today that he has a second round interview for one of the jobs he applied for. But he didn't sound that enthusiastic about it.

Sorry will reply in more detail later but it's time to put DD to bed.

OP posts:
RedRoom · 07/10/2014 20:02

I couldn't respect a man like that. Bone idle, entitled and useless.

AndHarry · 07/10/2014 20:06

My friend's husband is like this. She has worked to support the family for 10+ years now, while he studies/'runs his own non-existent business'/plays on his XBox. He also likes to moan about how misunderstood he is, how he is an expert on everything but 'hasn't found his niche' etcetera ad nauseum. I have bitten my tongue many, many times.

If a SAHD set-up works for you and is financially do-able then great; he now has full childcare and housework responsibilities during the week. If not, get rid; he's only going to get worse

Viviennemary · 07/10/2014 20:08

He obviously doesn't want to work in a paid job. It's up to you whether you are prepared to support him financially or not. Personally speaking I don't think any adult should be obliged to support another adult financially unless by total agreement. So tell him financially contribute or else leave.

LaurieFairyCake · 07/10/2014 20:09

This blokes a genius.

He lives in a 2 bed flat in a posh part of London with a cleaner, a lover and a kid he looks after at weekends. And he gets to spunk someone else's money on a fake homeopathic course that he can then soothe daft trust fund London types with his erotic Spanish accent.

Utter genius.

AnyFucker · 07/10/2014 20:12

Impressive bloke, isn't he ?

newstart15 · 07/10/2014 20:12

I think you will have to accept that he will be the SAHP and that you work to support the family. My friend's husband was very similar and actually did start to make money from a web business but it took years, during which she was the breadwinner. They had 3 dc's, all teenagers now. She regrets not spending time with her children but feels fortunate that they had at least one parent at home.

I do think however you are in danger of losing respect for him which can be pretty terminal for a relationship.

herethereandeverywhere · 07/10/2014 20:13

Of all the things that you have cited, the one that would crush me was the fact he was taking advantage of me. Quite happy to watch me work myself into the ground whilst he pops the chill pills and kicks back. To let me worry about how it was all adding up and let me go to work all day to bring in the money.

That's not happy and relaxed. That's cruel and abusive in disguise.

Quitelikely · 07/10/2014 20:13

OP you obviously love this man and he ticks a lot of your boxes.

How about you support him on this nutrition course and see what happens after with regards to him getting a job. Which job is he looking at doing once qualified?

If the above doesn't materialise I suspect you will start to lose respect for him.

Without respect a relationship is not a good place to be. I think you are slowly losing that. But time will tell.

Good luck with it all.

WildBillfemale · 07/10/2014 20:13

*Yes the burning question, why I am putting up with this. Well

  1. As above he is great with DD. And I know this sounds selfish but the fact that he, for example, picks her up for CM and does her dinner and bath means that if I have to work late (not a regular thing) or do a client meal I can do do so without worrying about her. I know this doesn't compensate for his laziness in other areas
  2. He is kind, thoughtful, generous..I should add that when he works he pays his way without a murmur. Money goes straight into our account without fail. He has never not paid his share*

It's sad you think the above is a bonus - a good man will do his share of this as well as holding down a job and contributing to the household financially.

He's a sponger - if you owned the flat before you married DO NOT move until you are clear you are going to stay with him.

AnyFucker · 07/10/2014 20:13

he's not the SAHP is he doesn't do any SAHP'ing

OP, be a mug if you like but for god's sake do not marry him

PacificDogwood · 07/10/2014 20:13

Laurie, great summary.

Sorry, Eastie, I still don't get it.
Sounds awful for you.

Your DD is his child as much as yours.
He bloody well ought to be good with her.
I don't like toddler groups either - yet I still went (for bloody 11 years).

He sounds like a man child.
I could not live with this.

AnyFucker · 07/10/2014 20:13

*if