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Useless DP - help me get some perspective please? (SORRY - VERY LONG)

109 replies

allofthelights · 25/09/2014 19:22

I've been with DP for three years and we have an almost two year old. We met, fell in love/lust, and had a baby very quickly (at his suggestion - I sort of got carried away, I hadn't ever really wanted kids, although I obviously adore my child now).

When we met, he was on the dole - he works for a small company in the construction sector and when they run out of work, they close down the company and everyone goes on the dole for a few months, then things pick back up again. We're in a Mediterranean country and this is relatively normal behaviour, although very shitty.

The thing is, he has never once contributed. I had gone freelance about a year before we met and managed to build up an extremely successful business. As a result, when we first met I earned about four times what he was bringing in, so I didn't mind much that he never offered to pay for things, seeing as I had so much more free cash than him.

It's been like this ever since. All the bills have always gone out of my account directly. It's not as if they are excessive - we live in a normal bog standard flat in a normal place, and what he earns would actually cover about half of our expenses. But he has never given me any money towards bills, and even when I've asked, he's given some money but then the next month not offered, and I felt awkward constantly asking him - I feel as if he should just pony up - who wants to live for free?

I bought every single thing for our son, from cot to buggy to muslins, everything. I burnt through the majority of my savings that I'd built up through my business. He didn't buy anything.

Anyway, about a year ago I suggested we got a joint account so that his earnings (a living wage, albeit quite a bit less than what I earnt) would at least go towards our joint expenses rather than me not seeing even a cent from him each month. So far, so good, although his work situation continued to fluctuate. Since the end of July he has not been in work. I have also realised after some totting up that he is owed a few hundred euros for his final week of employment, and he hasn't been paid it. He's had a few cash-in-hand jobs through the same people, inbetween construction contracts, and is also still waiting for the money. Today, he went for a social visit to the people he works with (the line is very blurred between work and friends), to find out when the new construction contract would be. Apparently, they said it may be in the next couple of weeks, but there's a couple of days of cash-in-hand work next week. Oh, and the money they owe him, they're waiting on being paid by a supplier.

He recounted this to me all very blasé; it doesn't bother him at all. He is now without any income whatsoever as his dole pay ran out in August, and probably won't get another pay packet until November. Which doesn't seem to mean anything to him, because the bank account has money in it so he's alright. Meanwhile, they owe him hundreds and he's not pushing them for it and is in fact all ready to go and do more work for them next week, essentially for free, rather than doing something fucking constructive.

He has been lazing around the house since the beginning of August. Meanwhile, I have been working around the clock to try and build some savings back up. I am incandescent with rage at him over this current situation because I don't have the luxury he has of just deciding not to bother looking for work or just doing bits and bobs because my baby would starve. He hasn't bothered to look for alternative work and doesn't seem to care.

He is a good dad to our baby emotionally - by which I mean he loves him, cares for him, plays with him. But when it comes to providing for him or being a good adult role model, he's shit. I also feel trapped - I don't want to financially support another adult - he's perfectly capable of working but appears to have thrown in the towel as due to the financial crisis his sector did take a beating, but despite that there is work, he just needs to get off his arse and stop working for these "mates"!

I am sick of this. I feel used. I feel like I made a terrible mistake getting together with and having a baby with a man who to be fair I barely knew, and now that his true, lazy colours are coming out, I want out, but I'm terrified of the negative effect this could have on my baby. I also worry for DP as he has no money! I know this isn't AIBU, but am I being totally unreasonable?

OP posts:
ThinkIveBeenHacked · 25/09/2014 19:25

When he is out of work, is he doing the housework and the childcare?

GinAndSonic · 25/09/2014 19:26

Um, no, he is being unreasonable and a cocklodger.

allofthelights · 25/09/2014 19:28

If only. I actually had to hire a cleaner because I don't have enough time in the day after working and looking after the baby to clean. I've tried everything to get him to contribute around the house but it results in a few days of intensive theatrical deep cleaning and then back to nothing. I hired a nanny to look after my baby while I work (I work in a home office) and even though he was off work for around four months at one point, he kept telling me there was some work coming in in the following week or so, so I kept the nanny on. While he sat in the other room doing sod all, or coming and playing with the baby and therefore making the nanny feel uncomfortable.

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Annarose2014 · 25/09/2014 19:29

The negative effect on your baby? The kid is two, he won't remember it!

You effectively have two kids. One too many if you ask me.

He is effectively a SAHD. Does he perform that role adequately at least? Does he do the minimum housework, cook and take care of the child whilst you're at work?

ThinkIveBeenHacked · 25/09/2014 19:29

Yep. Got yourself a cocklodger right there.

Id just get shot tbh. You wont be any worse.off financially, emotionally or practically. In fact, you would prpbably be better off.

Annarose2014 · 25/09/2014 19:30

X Post - you have to pay for a cleaner and a Nanny??

OMG dump his ass.

concernedaboutheboy · 25/09/2014 19:30

Nope. Completely unreasonable.

allofthelights · 25/09/2014 19:31

Annarose2014 you have put into words what I feel - I don't want to be his mother. And I do feel like it's now or never - if I split up with him now, my baby won't remember the breakup, whereas further down the line it could be more traumatic. And no, he doesn't perform the SAHD role at all. I do all the cooking.

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allofthelights · 25/09/2014 19:33

I'm basically already a single mum I suppose. He is brilliant with our baby - he feeds him his breakfast and he baths him and it's so lovely to see them together. He is a good dad on that front, and that's what makes me feel so sad because I would be taking that from my baby as if we split up he wouldn't be here to do those things.

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ThinkIveBeenHacked · 25/09/2014 19:38

Well, he would still do those things, just on his contact time.

A good dad will spend the time off work playing with their child and doing what they can to contribute to a happy well run household. A good dad would have paid for some of the fucking stuff needed for him since birth. A good dad wouldnt sit in another room and do SFA while a nanny does the childcare.

Pagwatch · 25/09/2014 19:39

You baby also won't remember his dad sitting on his fat ass all day while you work and the cleaner cleans.
So not all bad

Annarose2014 · 25/09/2014 19:40

Of course he'd do those things - in fact he'd have to do them more as the child gets older.

The child will have days out and nights staying over and so on, and the relationship they develop may end up being more special as a result of being one-on-one.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 25/09/2014 19:45

Omg just dump him already. There is nothing to redeem this "relationship".

Castlemilk · 25/09/2014 19:46

Oh my God get rid before your baby remembers him living in the house.

This will NEVER change: this will be your life.

Don't let that happen.

camtt · 25/09/2014 19:48

agree with 'cocklodger' comments and I also think a man like this is a bit unlikely to change radically, but have you actually talked to him and explained clearly what changes you think would be reasonable?

magoria · 25/09/2014 19:49

He can still do those things.

In his own place at his own expense. All the time he is not working.

Just because you may no longer be a couple doesn't mean he cannot play an active and good dad role.

You in the mean time will be calmer and not as pissed off all the time from having a leech living off you.

allofthelights · 25/09/2014 19:55

camtt Yes - I've said to him, look, it's not about the money, it's about the contribution. So if you're not working, you need to be contributing in some other way. And if you're not working because there really truly isn't anything else out there and you're totally stuck, then of course I will support you. But three years of you working for the same company, which is just a bunch of mates really, and which doesn't actually pay a living wage or a stable wage, and not bothering to look for other things isn't fair. He agrees with me, he says things will change, he cleans the whole house... and then nothing changes and we're back to the same situation. I've spelled out clearly how he can contribute to, say, the cleaning - which was horrible because I feel like I'm his mum giving him instructions. I've pointed him in the direction of job search sites... Nothing. He's just devoid of any ambition or drive because he sees me, I think, as some sort of meal ticket.

I'm painting a really crappy picture of him here - he's not a nasty person at all, there's no aggression, no fighting, no violence, nothing like that, and he's sweet and good natured with our son. That's what is making me think twice, really - he's not a bad bloke, just utterly useless and yes, a cocklodger. I can't see myself continuing to live like this. I thought I had PND but after trips to a psychiatrist and a therapist I've realised I don't. I'm just sad and disappointed by all this. What a mess. I came out of a series of violent, abusive relationships and a pretty shitty childhood and I think I just attached myself to the first non-evil person that came into my life, and that's come back to bite me now.

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Twinklestein · 25/09/2014 19:59

C'mon OP you're obviously an intelligent woman, you know this is ridiculous.

Annarose2014 · 25/09/2014 19:59

Sadly, sometimes in life we have to dump blokes not because they're nasty but because they just don't give us what we need.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 25/09/2014 19:59

A guy doesn't have to be horrible and abusive to be an utterly shit partner. You aren't obliged to stay with him. You keep trying to persuade him to be a better partner - it's not going to work! Cut your losses now and get on with your life.

allofthelights · 25/09/2014 20:02

Thankyou, all of you. I've been going around and around in my head because I so desperately want this to be all rainbows and butterflies. It's not, is it? And it's not going to be. Oh fucking hell what a mess.

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CuChullain · 25/09/2014 20:03

I think you know the answer OP

Pagwatch · 25/09/2014 20:05

Your partner should care for you, be a support, someone with whom life is made that bit easier , that bit more joyful. The shit stuff should be a bit less shit, the fun stuff should be great.

' He doesn't actively do bad stuff' is not a reason to spend a chunk of your life with him.

Think of what you will be teaching your child about love and relationships and mutual support.
'Yeah, dad is an unemployed, bone idle loser but he doesn't shout or get aggressive' is really the model of a life well lived is it.

Vivacia · 25/09/2014 20:06

I am sick of this. I feel used. I feel like I made a terrible mistake getting together with and having a baby with a man who to be fair I barely knew, and now that his true, lazy colours are coming out, I want out, but I'm terrified of the negative effect this could have on my baby.

Are you kidding us? The situation you're in is the one likely to have a negative effect on your baby.

bigkidsdidit · 25/09/2014 20:11

The picture being provided to my son - a man relaxing on the sofa while three women (mummy, nanny, cleaner) run round after him making sure he doesn't need to do anything - would be more than I could bear, I think.

I'm sorry it's not worked out how you hoped.

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