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Useless DP - help me get some perspective please? (SORRY - VERY LONG)

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allofthelights · 25/09/2014 19:22

I've been with DP for three years and we have an almost two year old. We met, fell in love/lust, and had a baby very quickly (at his suggestion - I sort of got carried away, I hadn't ever really wanted kids, although I obviously adore my child now).

When we met, he was on the dole - he works for a small company in the construction sector and when they run out of work, they close down the company and everyone goes on the dole for a few months, then things pick back up again. We're in a Mediterranean country and this is relatively normal behaviour, although very shitty.

The thing is, he has never once contributed. I had gone freelance about a year before we met and managed to build up an extremely successful business. As a result, when we first met I earned about four times what he was bringing in, so I didn't mind much that he never offered to pay for things, seeing as I had so much more free cash than him.

It's been like this ever since. All the bills have always gone out of my account directly. It's not as if they are excessive - we live in a normal bog standard flat in a normal place, and what he earns would actually cover about half of our expenses. But he has never given me any money towards bills, and even when I've asked, he's given some money but then the next month not offered, and I felt awkward constantly asking him - I feel as if he should just pony up - who wants to live for free?

I bought every single thing for our son, from cot to buggy to muslins, everything. I burnt through the majority of my savings that I'd built up through my business. He didn't buy anything.

Anyway, about a year ago I suggested we got a joint account so that his earnings (a living wage, albeit quite a bit less than what I earnt) would at least go towards our joint expenses rather than me not seeing even a cent from him each month. So far, so good, although his work situation continued to fluctuate. Since the end of July he has not been in work. I have also realised after some totting up that he is owed a few hundred euros for his final week of employment, and he hasn't been paid it. He's had a few cash-in-hand jobs through the same people, inbetween construction contracts, and is also still waiting for the money. Today, he went for a social visit to the people he works with (the line is very blurred between work and friends), to find out when the new construction contract would be. Apparently, they said it may be in the next couple of weeks, but there's a couple of days of cash-in-hand work next week. Oh, and the money they owe him, they're waiting on being paid by a supplier.

He recounted this to me all very blasé; it doesn't bother him at all. He is now without any income whatsoever as his dole pay ran out in August, and probably won't get another pay packet until November. Which doesn't seem to mean anything to him, because the bank account has money in it so he's alright. Meanwhile, they owe him hundreds and he's not pushing them for it and is in fact all ready to go and do more work for them next week, essentially for free, rather than doing something fucking constructive.

He has been lazing around the house since the beginning of August. Meanwhile, I have been working around the clock to try and build some savings back up. I am incandescent with rage at him over this current situation because I don't have the luxury he has of just deciding not to bother looking for work or just doing bits and bobs because my baby would starve. He hasn't bothered to look for alternative work and doesn't seem to care.

He is a good dad to our baby emotionally - by which I mean he loves him, cares for him, plays with him. But when it comes to providing for him or being a good adult role model, he's shit. I also feel trapped - I don't want to financially support another adult - he's perfectly capable of working but appears to have thrown in the towel as due to the financial crisis his sector did take a beating, but despite that there is work, he just needs to get off his arse and stop working for these "mates"!

I am sick of this. I feel used. I feel like I made a terrible mistake getting together with and having a baby with a man who to be fair I barely knew, and now that his true, lazy colours are coming out, I want out, but I'm terrified of the negative effect this could have on my baby. I also worry for DP as he has no money! I know this isn't AIBU, but am I being totally unreasonable?

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allofthelights · 26/09/2014 12:09

neiljames77 I am not sure about paternal rights - I want him to have a full and active relationship with our son and wouldn't put any barriers in place with regard to that, ever. We're in the EU and we're both EU citizens.

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BeCool · 26/09/2014 12:14

It is massively stressful trying to be someone else's career advisor.
Especially when that someone doesn't want a careers advisor.

He doesn't want your help and advice. As strange as this may sound to you I think he is telling you very clearly that he is happy how things are and doesn't want or need to change.

The biggest favour you can do is listen to what he is telling you. And believe him.

neiljames77 · 26/09/2014 12:16

I don't know what to suggest then, other than a clear message that if he doesn't get a job, any job, within x amount of weeks, he's out on his arse.
Maybe he can stay at one of his mates who've already paid their mortgage.

WhyTheCagedBirdTweets · 26/09/2014 12:22

Oh - he's from the UK originally too? Ok.

The very best of luck to you whatever happens.

Flowers
dreamingbohemian · 26/09/2014 12:23

I think you should see someone about your legal rights. In some countries, like France, you are not allowed to move more than about 50 km from your ex so that they can maintain contact, until the child is I think 16 (at least this happened to several people I know). You may not mind staying in the same area for now but at some point you may resent having to turn down beneficial opportunities elsewhere for the sake of an ex who can't be arsed to improve his life. Find out where you stand before anything happens.

allofthelights · 26/09/2014 12:31

dreamingbohemian thanks for that - I had no idea there were those kinds of restrictions in place. I'll start researching now. Flowers

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dreamingbohemian · 26/09/2014 12:38

Yes, it can be a real nightmare. I have a friend basically stuck in one town for the next 15 years even though she has barely any work and has to survive on benefits. The big lesson is to get really good legal representation. If he is non-confrontational then hopefully he won't insist on too much anyway.

Also look at who the rules apply to, if neither of you are citizens of your country then it may be different, or perhaps you haven't lived there long enough.

kaykayblue · 26/09/2014 17:42

Dear god, just kick him out.

He sounds fucking insufferable.

Urgh, what a lazy, entitled, snivelling piece of crap.

SolidGoldBrass · 26/09/2014 18:04

This is not a nice man OP. He detected your vulnerability when he met you and decided that you would make a perfect mummy/cash cow for a few years. He's indifferent to your complaints because he knows that it will take a while longer for you to reach breaking point, and even then he can probably buy himself a bit more time with his feet under your table by crying a bit or maybe threatening to kill himself or something.
I can't find the link I was looking for but some studies/some experts describe people like this man as sociopathic. They have decided not to work for a living but to expect other people to support them. They think they are so special that other people should gladly indulge them for the honour of having them around.
When you wise up and throw him out, he will have moved on to another woman within weeks and will probably impregnate her as a way of keeping her in linve, as well.

Vitalstatistix · 26/09/2014 18:22

just love me = shut up moaning and just carry on paying for everything and doing everything and giving me the easy life I like to have.

I mean, it wasn't even I love you! It was love ME. Says it all.

love me=look after me.

I agree with solid that you're a nice little cash cow.

He isn't contributing in any way to this relationship and it is a shit example he's setting your child.

Quitelikely · 26/09/2014 18:32

Have you asked him to leave OP

allofthelights · 26/09/2014 18:33

I find the last few posts really illuminating. You know when you have those daft conversations about "why do you love me?" And I always reeled off a ton of things I loved about him. He always said "because you love me". He never came up with any other reasons. I put it down to him being a man of few words. But it's not that, is it. I should take him at his actual word. He "loves" me because I "love" him, ie look after him.

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allofthelights · 26/09/2014 18:36

Quitelikely I spoke to him last night. This morning he sort of swept everything under the carpet and was going about the day as normal. So I again went over everything and said clearly, unless you are contributing you have no right to be here. But he's just sort of nodding and saying yeah, you're right, things will change, and then pootling around like normal. Not really sure what to do - he's just totally inert, and it makes me feel like I'm being horrible. It's not that there's a huge catalyst for me to kick him out - he's done nothing wrong; I have no excuse. But I need this to change. I don't want to live like this any more. It's not fair and it's doing a number on my mental health.

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Pagwatch · 26/09/2014 18:55

He's not your tenant or flat mate - you don't need an excuse to kick him out!
Why can't you say what you mean
'Its over. I don't respect you which means I don't love you any more. I'm not subsidising your sitting on your arse . Find somewhere to live. '

Pagwatch · 26/09/2014 18:56

Or bundle up his clothes and change the locks.

Annarose2014 · 26/09/2014 19:00

Ok so the first thing you do is sort the joint account. Enquire at the bank if you can take his name off, or if you can transfer your own cash out of it to an account in your own name without a signature.

That needs to be done immediately, as you need that money untouched to pay the bills. You can't afford for him to take whatever he "needs" once he actually does leave the residence. Its your money, protect it.

dreamingbohemian · 26/09/2014 19:05

You don't need an excuse. He's not your boss or your landlord. If you don't want to be with him anymore, you end it. Anyway you DO have an excuse, you've spoken to him many times about shaping up and he refuses.

Quite frankly, if you have to hire a nanny and cleaner while he sits on his ass, you have all the excuse in the world.

Gfplux · 26/09/2014 19:19

Just read the complete post. Can only agree with everyone else. Without stereotyping your other half you should know that this is not that unusual in the region you are living in.
You need to act now while your child is young and can be brought up with your work ethic not the fathers.
Act now.
Good luck

MexicanSpringtime · 26/09/2014 19:36

Yeap, OP, it sounds like the love and respect have gone, you have nothing to gain and everything to lose by staying with this man. I don't know how much I believe in therapy, but I have friends who have survived disfunctional childhoods and found a lot of benefit in therapy. Maybe you could use the money you will save by not having this man in your life to find a therapist who convinces you and take it from there.

Don't worry about what your family will think. I know that is easier said than done, but some people just love to criticise so give them that pleasure.

allofthelights · 26/09/2014 20:24

Ok. I have just said to him, again, that this isn't working. That I am no longer prepared to continue to pay for him to live and cover his costs and our child's if he is not willing to make an effort. I've told him he needs to go, and when he is capable of paying for himself like a grownup and providing for his son, then we can talk, but I've reached my limit. He said he will go tomorrow. I don't know how to deal with this really because he is very much the hurt party, but I'm hoping a short sharp shock will transform him into an actual adult. Or not.

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HumblePieMonster · 26/09/2014 20:28

if it doesn't, at least you'll only be supporting one child, not two.

neiljames77 · 26/09/2014 20:37

You're the hurt party because he's been taking the piss for ages. It only seems like it's him because it's something to deal with in one big dollop. Yours has been a constant.

dreamingbohemian · 26/09/2014 20:41

Good for you OP. Are you feeling okay?

In a way, yes, he is the hurt party, but I think you need to see it as the logical consequence of his actions -- not as you deliberately hurting him for no reason. If you have tried and tried to improve things and he has made no effort, I don't think you need to feel too guilty.

allofthelights · 26/09/2014 20:45

I feel a bit numb. I'm actually working right now - another thing that rankles because I've had to up my work hours to cover the shortfall from him - so I'm not able to give it much headspace at the moment. I feel terribly sad deep down, but also a teeny bit hopeful because I've taken a step out of this monotonous inertia and either he will man up and be who I need him to be, or he will go and live his life and I'll live mine. Neither of those options mean I'm worse off.

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allofthelights · 26/09/2014 20:46

Also, thank you everybody for the time and effort taken to post on this thread. Having you all as a sounding board has been very helpful, and the overwhelming unanimity has given me the push to do something about this. I love this place.

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