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Useless DP - help me get some perspective please? (SORRY - VERY LONG)

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allofthelights · 25/09/2014 19:22

I've been with DP for three years and we have an almost two year old. We met, fell in love/lust, and had a baby very quickly (at his suggestion - I sort of got carried away, I hadn't ever really wanted kids, although I obviously adore my child now).

When we met, he was on the dole - he works for a small company in the construction sector and when they run out of work, they close down the company and everyone goes on the dole for a few months, then things pick back up again. We're in a Mediterranean country and this is relatively normal behaviour, although very shitty.

The thing is, he has never once contributed. I had gone freelance about a year before we met and managed to build up an extremely successful business. As a result, when we first met I earned about four times what he was bringing in, so I didn't mind much that he never offered to pay for things, seeing as I had so much more free cash than him.

It's been like this ever since. All the bills have always gone out of my account directly. It's not as if they are excessive - we live in a normal bog standard flat in a normal place, and what he earns would actually cover about half of our expenses. But he has never given me any money towards bills, and even when I've asked, he's given some money but then the next month not offered, and I felt awkward constantly asking him - I feel as if he should just pony up - who wants to live for free?

I bought every single thing for our son, from cot to buggy to muslins, everything. I burnt through the majority of my savings that I'd built up through my business. He didn't buy anything.

Anyway, about a year ago I suggested we got a joint account so that his earnings (a living wage, albeit quite a bit less than what I earnt) would at least go towards our joint expenses rather than me not seeing even a cent from him each month. So far, so good, although his work situation continued to fluctuate. Since the end of July he has not been in work. I have also realised after some totting up that he is owed a few hundred euros for his final week of employment, and he hasn't been paid it. He's had a few cash-in-hand jobs through the same people, inbetween construction contracts, and is also still waiting for the money. Today, he went for a social visit to the people he works with (the line is very blurred between work and friends), to find out when the new construction contract would be. Apparently, they said it may be in the next couple of weeks, but there's a couple of days of cash-in-hand work next week. Oh, and the money they owe him, they're waiting on being paid by a supplier.

He recounted this to me all very blasé; it doesn't bother him at all. He is now without any income whatsoever as his dole pay ran out in August, and probably won't get another pay packet until November. Which doesn't seem to mean anything to him, because the bank account has money in it so he's alright. Meanwhile, they owe him hundreds and he's not pushing them for it and is in fact all ready to go and do more work for them next week, essentially for free, rather than doing something fucking constructive.

He has been lazing around the house since the beginning of August. Meanwhile, I have been working around the clock to try and build some savings back up. I am incandescent with rage at him over this current situation because I don't have the luxury he has of just deciding not to bother looking for work or just doing bits and bobs because my baby would starve. He hasn't bothered to look for alternative work and doesn't seem to care.

He is a good dad to our baby emotionally - by which I mean he loves him, cares for him, plays with him. But when it comes to providing for him or being a good adult role model, he's shit. I also feel trapped - I don't want to financially support another adult - he's perfectly capable of working but appears to have thrown in the towel as due to the financial crisis his sector did take a beating, but despite that there is work, he just needs to get off his arse and stop working for these "mates"!

I am sick of this. I feel used. I feel like I made a terrible mistake getting together with and having a baby with a man who to be fair I barely knew, and now that his true, lazy colours are coming out, I want out, but I'm terrified of the negative effect this could have on my baby. I also worry for DP as he has no money! I know this isn't AIBU, but am I being totally unreasonable?

OP posts:
Cloudhowe63 · 25/09/2014 20:13

Please don't underestimate the effect of ongoing resentment and disappointment on your own wellbeing, OP.

allofthelights · 26/09/2014 08:02

You're all right. I feel like a total bitch though, and how can we split up if he doesn't have any money to get a place or support himself? He literally has no income right now, and if things were the other way round, I wouldn't expect him to put me out on the street. How do I move forward with this? I've been thinking overnight about not being with him any more and it's such a liberating feeling. I could do more things with my baby without having him being a deadweight, and I'd actually be better off financially. But how do I do this? How do I get out of this situation? I am fully aware of how pathetic I am coming across right now but I just feel stuck and blocked Sad

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Pagwatch · 26/09/2014 08:11

You don't have that level of responsibility for because he is SN adult, he is unemployed by choice and to be frank, he is not your child.

Bizarrely the way you have decided to allow him to be idle with no consequence has enabled him to continue to be a feckless man- child. You are not giving him a gift here by allowing him to get older with no means of supporting himself. The longer you continue to do so, the worse his long term prospects are.

And don't compare 'would he do x if it were me'
If it were you with no job would you chose to sit on your arse all day while he worked and managed the needs of your child and home?
Would you?

Pagwatch · 26/09/2014 08:11

Obviously not SN adult
Just an adult ...

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 26/09/2014 08:14

Helpless people have a clever knack of making other people feel responsible for them. My XH did it for years. I too felt 'how can I kick him out, where would he go, he finds things more difficult than I do' well guess what? He managed to find himself a flat share, he manages his own finances, he pays his bills...he might fuck up sometimes but I don't know about it and it's not my problem. He feels better about himself now that he's self reliant and it has made him a nicer person.
He's not your responsibility. He's not a child, he doesn't have disabilities, you aren't his mum. He will manage just fine without you - and if he doesn't, that's his lookout.

magoria · 26/09/2014 08:26

If you were out of work you would be doing the stuff you pay a cleaner for. You would have contributed when you were working. Not kept all your money for yourself plus lived off someone else.

That is the difference.

Pagwatch · 26/09/2014 08:31

If you want some perspective try imagining your child aged 13 and you , still working and paying for everything while he drifts in and out of bits of work spending the rest of his time on the sofa , and your child thinking his dad is the dogs bollocks while you are rarely there and when you are you are a tired, resentful nag.
Not butterflies and rainbows really

dreamingbohemian · 26/09/2014 08:33

He has all these mates, right? Surely they can put him up for a bit. Or you could give him enough money to rent a room until November. This is not an insurmountable problem. You need to stop feeling responsible for him.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/09/2014 08:41

You are not responsible for him when all is said and done; I am wondering if your relationship is really one based on co-dependency.

I am aware that you are not UK based but it may well be a good idea anyway for you to look online at the Freedom Programme run by Womens Aid given what you have written about previous relationships.

It will do your child no favours at all to remain within such a situation, the effects on that child will be far more marked in later years than if you were to make the break now.

Squidstirfry · 26/09/2014 09:20

He saw you straight away as some sort of cash-cow, convinced you to have a child you weren't ready for, fleeces you for everything you have... Erm... Yep it's time to tell him you won't be putting up with being treated like this anymore.

You could break up and sleep in separate rooms, while he sorts out somewhere else to live? Although that would be emotional hell.

What about his parents? Surely they could support/help temporarily.

Either way, guaranteed he will know how to handle himself. He sorted himself out with you in a flash!

Quitelikely · 26/09/2014 09:28

Where did he live before you met him? Could he not go there? Friends or family maybe

I think if you give him a few days then he will have to go and find somewhere else. With that he will realise he will need to start funding his life without you and hopefully his 'friends' will understand when he needs to look for permanent work!

Quitelikely · 26/09/2014 09:29

He would still be able to have contact with baby though wouldn't he?

NoToast · 26/09/2014 10:04

Bar a few details I could have pretty much written your OP. At the end of three years providing tough love, loving support, boot up the arse etc I left. My rationale was that it was his choice not to work and my choice not to support him. He moved back with his mum and still hasn't done a days paid work.

I've never regretted it, DD misses him but sees him often. I had got to the point of being permanently on edge and angry, being out of the situation meant I got myself back. A child psychologist friend told me that with separation the younger the child is the better. If you don't see things changing in the future that might influence when you go.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Annarose2014 · 26/09/2014 10:08

OP I'd bet you anything that the moment you kick him out he'd be straight around to his employers with his sob story. And since they're "almost like family", suddenly some payment for previous jobs would just miraculously materialise.

Annarose2014 · 26/09/2014 10:09

I'm not saying he's been disengenuous about the money by the way - I'm saying they've been. Suppliers my ass. Of course they could have given him what they owed him. They just didn't want it to get around that they had it.

hellsbellsmelons · 26/09/2014 10:22

because he sees me, I think, as some sort of meal ticket
Yep - you got that right.

Suppliers don't pay people. Supplier, supply. People pay suppliers. Blimey he's a twat.

Sorry OP but you need to kick him out. He'll find somewhere or someone else to sponge off soon enough.

Where are his parents? Where are your parents?
Are you originally from the country you live in?

He's a cocklodger of the highest order. How you've managed to live this man-child for 3 years is beyond me. Get rid and do it fast. Like a plaster, just rip it off!

Then as a PP said, please please please do the Freedom Programme. You can do it online. Do NOT get yourself into another abusive relationship. This course will help you with all that.

allofthelights · 26/09/2014 10:39

hellsbellsmelons sorry, that was me mis-translating. It's not the suppliers, it's the clients that owe them money. His parents live in a third country, far from here. I'm NC with mine (think Stately Homes type situation). I'm from the UK, but am settled here in the Mediterranean.

I am taking all of this in, what everyone is saying. I'm actually surprised by the unanimity - I thought there'd be people saying that I'm being too harsh: the economy is shit, give him a break (that's what the niggling voices in the back of my mind are saying to me). I spoke to him last night and told him how I felt, told him how unfair everything seems to me and how I can't go on like this. He didn't respond. He never does. He just sits there quietly while I rant on, and when I ask him to discuss it or contribute he just clams up. It's as if he just waits for me to get it out of my system so things can go back to the status quo.

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Vivacia · 26/09/2014 10:51

I think that's exactly what he's doing. Most men I know, unemployed due to the economy, turn in to a one-man housework whirlwind.

Pagwatch · 26/09/2014 10:57

Ah you poor thing. It must feel quite shocking if you have been used to excusing and rationalising his behaviour for a while.
But think about it - of course he says nothing while you talk. You periodically moan about him being idle but you do nothing so if he just clams up he can continue sitting on his arse.
Are you expecting him to have some kind of epiphany because he won't will he. He has no reason to change, his life suits him fine because he doesn't care about how your life is going.
That's the bottom line really - he doesn't care. He doesn't care that you are doing everything. He doesn't care that you are tired and unhappy.

If he cared about you he would say 'god I'm sorry. Let me do x and y to make life easier'
He doesn't . He wants you to bluster, get it out of your system and then shut up.
He is a surly teenager with no sense of responsibility wishing mum would stop nagging.

hellsbellsmelons · 26/09/2014 11:00

Ah see, I was going with the angle that he had said that but was basically lying and actually had already been paid and spent it and was just spinning you a line.

It is unanimous because he is the typical cocklodger and nothing you can say to him will change that. After quite a long time on this site following many many threads, they NEVER EVER change.

He will carry on being a cocklodger for here and ever after. That's who he is.

Annarose2014 · 26/09/2014 11:03

God Almighty, he's too lazy to even muster the effort to discuss it!

He's lazy to the bone. He may be a nice placid type. But fundamentally he couldn't be bothered with anything that smells like effort.

allofthelights · 26/09/2014 11:03

That's exactly it, Pagwatch. I am terrified of becoming a total martyr - that's an utterly shit way to live and not what I want and not how I want my son to see me. I'm not a nag. I'm not at all fussy about the house. I don't expect to live in a showhome. I just want to live with an adult, who I can rely on to hold up his end of the bargain. When I try and show him what I do for him in comparison to what he contributes, he says I "throw everything back in his face". That's what worries me there. Is it me? Am I just being a horrible martyr to a bloke who's actually decent? I'm not very good at rationalising feelings - I had a childhood of constant gaslighting followed by several abusive relationship and I think this contributes to my not really having a good emotional compass. Which is why I'm very grateful for the perspective you, and others, are providing here.

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allofthelights · 26/09/2014 11:04

Annarose2014 you're right. And it really frustrates me. I've always been really hardworking and motivated and ambitious. And since having a baby, even more so, because I have to provide for my son's future. He on the other hand isn't any of these things and seems to have downshifted further since our baby was born. Gah.

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allofthelights · 26/09/2014 11:06

I'm also worried (stupidly I know) about if we split up, it'll get back to my family and be held up as yet another example of how I can't do anything right and how much of a fuck-up I am. So I'm trying to hold together this pretend image of a lovely happy home where everything is just rosy.

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neiljames77 · 26/09/2014 11:10

Do the blokes who do this have no pride at all?
I think in the last 25 years, I've been unemployed for a total of 1 week.

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