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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 21:50

Yy to helping hand.

The fact that you feel threatened by him is enough to report to the police.
Somebody knocked your door and you did not want to open it - that's not good or normal or healthy.

Report him every time he comes near you.
Keep a record of texts/emails/phone messages (get an answering machine for you land line).
Contact Woman's Aid - they will be able to give you a very good idea on your legal rights and were to back that up.

You sound very strong. Keep that up. Reach out for help and support - it is there.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 07:43

Good morning everyone.
I didnt sleep very well. It all seems such a blur at the moment, so much information to process.
I re-read my OP just now and to me it doesn't really seem that bad. And I know that in itself is very strange after all the replies I've received and what they say.
What is wrong with me that I can't view it as you can? Sad

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 07:51

I will be stopping contact and getting myself some help, make no mistake. It seems so self indulgent though.
Honestly feel like why would anyone want me wasting their time, I've brought this on myself by going back again and again.
I am aware I need to change my mindset, it seems so unachievable right now thiugh, and I don't know where to start.
Thank you all for your messages yesterday, this is the beginning of change for me and you've all been so kind giving me your time and experience and advice.
I am sorry if any of you have gained experience of this by going through something similar, its completely mind bending.
Thanks Thanks

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 08:00

"What is wrong with me that I can't view it as you can?"

'Conditioning'. 'Grooming' if you want a more emotive word. Like a lot of people in emotionally and sexually abusive relationships you're too close to the problem at the moment. You really want to believe in love, you are isolated, and you are so frightened of being independent that you desperately want to rationalise his behaviour as loving. How do you normally square it away? He's just a bit over-enthusiastic, perhaps? Passionate maybe? You 'drive him crazy'? 'He can't help himself?' He can be lovely when he tries? He's good with your son? .... The difference between you and those of us who are looking at it from the outside is motivation, that's all. We are not motivated to stay in a relationship at all costs.

The only way to change your mindset is through distance, time and the support of people who are fully on your side. It is not self-indulgent to want to be treated decently and kindly. People on this board do not think you are a wasting their time. We believe you .... and so would others if you asked for help

So please stay fully out of contact, keep reading the thread, find other, better, more interesting thing to occupy your days, call Womens Aid, get advice from the police... and do get extra security measures for your doors and windows.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 08:19

Thanks Cogito.
Thats the thing, I do have better things to occupy my days.
I have never been motivated to stay in a relationship at all costs. I have spent many years single and they have been my happiest. Even with this man I really have only been together with him, as in calling each other boyfriend girlfriend for that first four months.
Thats what is so awful about this.
I have never loved this man. I have never ever wanted to move in with him. I have always panicked at any thought I might get pregnant.
He just has never, ever, let me go. He ground me down to the point where it was easier to see him than tolerate any more relentless abuse.
Yes, I am a natural loner, isolated, poor family, few friends. During his charming moments I thought he was there for me.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 08:22

It is shocking I suppose, but when I have been honest with him over the years and said move on, meet someone else, he has always insisted there isn't anyone else for him (despite the other women ;-) )
I've lost count of the times I have said I willnever move in with you, I will never marry you. I will never have your kids. I don't want to be with you. Falls on deaf ears.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 08:22

"He ground me down to the point where it was easier to see him than tolerate any more relentless abuse. "

Then please get help from others to stop him harassing you. There are laws against stalking and harassment. Make it easier to call 101 than to see him

TalkingintheDark · 23/09/2014 08:44

It would be weird if you didn't have these doubts, tbh! It's all part of the process. Glad to see they're not going to stop you doing what needs to be done Smile

Rushing now, will post more later Thanks

AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 09:00

Lovey, your situation reminds me of this shocking tv programme which I believe should be compulsory viewing in high schools

Murdered by my boyfriend

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 09:26

AF, I watched that, and you know the point where he puts a ring on her finger and she just sits there blankly accepting it... like she's just given up.
I thought yeah, I know how that feels.
I know how the constant phonecalls go, I know how it feels to panic if anyone posts any pictures of you on social media looking like you are out having fun and he'll go mental and ask how many guys chatted me up, who did I kiss, etc.
The banging on the doors, the windows, the pleading, the split second change from "fucking bitch" spat through gritted teeth to "i'm sorry baby, I just love you so much, you're everything to me, I don't want to lose you, i'll change, you're such a princess".
Saying to DS when the door knocks, "be quiet, shhh,let's see how quiet we can be". The panic when I hear the letterbox go.
The relief when its just the post man.
The rush of nothingness when he starts again, starts practically spitting at me with rage, sort of hollow laughing at myself when he starts shouting after telling me how different things are going to be now....
I remember during one evening where he flipped because I was looking at my phone picking some music for my Bluetooth speaker, "you're texting 'him' (no idea who him is), arent' you? I'm not fucking stupid". leading to about three hours of rage, I've locked myself in his spare room with the bed in front of the door, he's been trying to smash the door in, I cried and begged him just to end me, to stop him going on, and on, and on. He will never stop.

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Sootgremlin · 23/09/2014 09:27

If it doesn't seem that bad, try and think of it objectively:

What if a friend told you this was happening to her?

Is this the sort of relationship you would want for a daughter?

Would you be happy if your son treated a girlfriend like this when he is older?

What advice would you give? Keep stepping outside of the situation and hold fast to what you know is true.

You need to start seeing yourself as valuable and deserving of better. You would be far better off on your own making a life for yourself and your son without this layer of stress that that is being added to it. You won't realise how draining it all is until you free yourself of it. On a practical level, if what you want is a loving, supportive, relationship all this nonsense is getting in the way of you finding it.

You don't sound as if you love this man, so why do you feel you need love from him? Remember he has no rights over you, you don't need the ok from him to end it.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 09:29

He will never stop trying to own me, or punish me. What for?
For dumping him, for "always leaving", for "going off with other men" ( I have no idea) for not doing what he wants basically.

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 09:30

Don't let her experience be how it ends for you. Seek that RL help today

You don't have to live like this.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 09:33

"He will never stop trying to own me, or punish me. What for? "

Because he's disturbed and dangerous. He's not rational and he's not safe. People like this should not be at liberty, stalking women, harassing them and making their lives miserable. The law is on your side. People want to help you. But you have to make that call and start the ball rolling.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 09:34

Sootgremlin: If it was my friend, I would get her to come and stay with me. I would be there for her, listen and support, repeatedly tell her she was better than this bastard.
It's just me in this house by myself with DS, I don't have anyone to do the above for me. I will keep telling myself i'm better than him, but at the moment it is very hard to believe.
Reading that objectively, it sounds completely barmy that I don't think i'm better than all this, but inside it feels like i'm not, and I deserve it.
Thanks mum.

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 09:37

Break that cycle for your son, love. While you stay in the thrall of this man, you are paying it forward.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 09:37

The thing is, Cogito, that he's not technically harassing me now. He hasn't rung or turned up. He has sent me a few FB messages ( I haven't been friends with him for years on there but he can still message me) but I haven't read them.
I did, on Saturday, after the B&B get him via message to admit what he did, and I haven't deleted those messages.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 09:39

If someone stole your car would you be beating yourself up wondering if you deserved it? Wondering if it wouldn't be easier if you just let them have it? Rationalising that there's no point calling the police because you don't have anyone there to support you?

This man is ruining your life at present. You can stop that happening by getting practical support from Womens Aid and the police. MN can only provide moral support but we're here if you need us.

Sootgremlin · 23/09/2014 09:40

Oh, love. You know how bad it is. And you do have a choice. He is relying on you not realising that to control you. You may think it is not having a impact on your ds yet, you may feel resigned to it yourself, but are you resigned to him having this is in his life as the backdrop to his childhood?

The mistake is in thinking you can maintain any sort of contact with him, keep in touch, be friends...no. The only way is to withdraw completely and give him nothing to feed on. It is frightening, but it can be done. It seems impossible, but believe me, it isn't, and you won't look back, I promise you. Flowers

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 09:41

"he's not technically harassing me now."

Good. But it's only been four days and past experience says that the harassment will start up in due course. There's an expression.... 'if you fail to plan, you plan to fail'. So have a plan what you're going to do when he gets in touch again and how you're going to handle it differently to normal. Take back the power. Get a different outcome.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 09:42

AF that is true, on some level I am sure he knows something isn't right.
I know I did as a child, and he is emotionally very like me.
Honestly, he's my absolute world. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't be doing what i'm doing now, achieving, striving for more, setting an example by doing everything myself and going after what I want. ( My own house, a pet, a job I enjoy, peace).
I owe it to him to get rid of this twat.

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 09:42

Stop right now trying to get him to admit/to understand/to acknowledge what he has done

The only crucial thing is that you want it to stop. Nothing else matters.

Absolute non contact from you now. Keep proof of any attempts from him and if they raise to any level that makes you uncomfortable call the police

In the meantime, speak to Women's Aid to get you some RL support.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 09:45

Ok, a plan.
He has been messaging. I will message him back saying i don't want to see him again, to leave me and DS alone, and that i am going to block him on email, social media and phone.
I will download an app i have looked at called mr number i think, that should allow me to block him from contacting me.
The thing is that i always get really unnerved when i block him, as i can't tell what he is doing, or planning on doing.

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 09:48

He knows that, so you play right into his hands by playing along to see what he is up to. Classic scare tactics.

One message to him. He is blocked, you never want to see or hear from him again. No explaining why, just that bare fact. Add that if he tries to do so, you will consider it harassment and you will report him to the police.

There are relatively new laws that protect people from harassment. Use them.

Then you must follow through

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 09:52

That's a good plan. You may not know what he does next but you know him well enough to have a good idea. So the next part of your plan is what do you do if....

a) he carries on sending messages
b) he calls round
c) something else...this is where your knowledge of him puts you at an advantage

Alongside that, you need to pre-emptively plan the other side of the equation i.e. information, support and strength for yourself. You need back-up, confidence, legal muscle, real people doing real things for you.... and that's Womens Aid, police, possibly a solicitor.