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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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Sootgremlin · 23/09/2014 10:04

I know it is hard when you feel you have no one. Once he is out of your life you might find that he is the reason for that.

I have been where you are, it dragged on for far longer than it should have because I had nowhere to go, and he was always 'there for me'. University counselling service, women's aid, and the police, and no contact. It can be done.

AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 10:08

It's your son that really has no-one love

He looks to only you to protect him form a childhood where his mummy is terrorised and frightened of her own shadow. Tell WA all this.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 10:09

Sootgremlin i'm so glad you got out. Flowers
Cogito a) Ignore
b) get the guts to call 101
c) try to get to me through other people, start a smear campaign, start slagging me off, telling lies about me in the hope i'll get pissed off and contact him.
Going to look at emailing local Women's Aid now.

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 10:12

here

longtallsally2 · 23/09/2014 10:12

Op I have never read a thread as frightening as this. Your post of 09.26 had me in tears. No-one should have to live that way.

You are an amazing woman to have survived this long, to have kept your own flat, to have cared for your son, to have done so well at university, whilst carrying this fear around with you. You have a lovely ds to look after who deserves good people in his life and who deserves to see his mum happy, not afraid.

Totally agree with the advice above, Women's Aid (and MN!) to support you, NC with 'him' and plan ahead. Who do I call if . . . .

I am not an expert in this instance but calling 101 and asking if there is a domestic violence officer you could speak to is also a possibility. I have a friend who works as one, and says that she has many calls from women who say "This isn't really abuse is it? . . ." To which the answer is usually "Yes, he is not allowed to do that to you. Yes, that is abuse. Yes, we can help you."

Planning ahead, he knows where you live and may find a way to bump into you. He will demand to know why you have done this to him. The answer is calm and simple. This relationship was not making you happy. You don't want to see him again - no further explanations needed. If he says he has changed, that's fine. He can find someone else to make happy but you do not want to see him again. But you are his princess and he adores you. No you are not a princess. You are notsure and you do not want to see him again. He will say that you have someone else. Yes, you have your son to look after and care for. That is enough, you do not want to see him again. He will shout that you are being unreasonable. But it is wrong to try to shout and bully someone, you do not want to see him again. But he will kill himself if you do not take him back. You are very sorry to hear that, but you do not want to see him again.

Yes?

Very very best of luck

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 10:13

AF he does see his dad, for the first four years he wasn't particularly interested (his dad) but now they seem to get on fairly well as i have bent over backwards to make sure they have a good relationship. DS also gets on well with his Grandparents on his dad's side and has been on holiday with them etc, there's definitely a few threads there though!!
But yes, i do see what you're saying, i am his main carer and influence. I am slapping my forehead thinking that he hasn't been affected but he must have noticed. I will do better. For him, if not for me.
Thank you. xx

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longtallsally2 · 23/09/2014 10:14

However, if Cog, AF or others advise just ignoring him if you meet in public, go with their advice. They speak wise words Smile

(My friend who works for as the police domestic violence person is lovely, everso patient, not judgemental - and used to be a volunteer with WA. Imagine her on the phone if you have to call them.

AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 10:15

Broken record technique

AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 10:16

You are his main carer, his mum, the most important person in his life x

Sootgremlin · 23/09/2014 10:17

Good plan. Don't underestimate the power of ignoring someone, whatever they throw at you.

And anyfucker is absolutely right. You are your son's only advocate in this. He doesn't need to learn fear in his own home.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 10:23

"c) try to get to me through other people, start a smear campaign, start slagging me off, telling lies about me in the hope i'll get pissed off and contact him"

You said that you were something of a loner. Who would these 'other people' be exactly? Because he's stupid apart from anything else. You know that all it would take is a few well-aimed phone-calls to the police, his employer and similar to bring his world crashing down. When he is jobless and looking at a charge of sexual assault/harassment/stalking who are these 'other people' going to believe? Him or the weight of evidence?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 10:24

So, using the Broken Record Technique to respond to something he has just messaged me, for example:
Him: I didnt send that as somekind of threat.. because i dont want anyone else. But, things arent going to happen between us, even on a no strings attached basis... right?!

I would say something like: No, I don't want to see you any more.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 10:25

Cog other people that vaguely know both of us. i have a few long term friends that i see now and again but don't keep in regular contact with, esp as i moved away to uni. I don't have any friends here.

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 10:27

No, for written communication you send your first message telling him you want no further contact and then ignore all messages after that (but keep them as evidence)

The "broken record" would be if he turned up face to face. And then if he doesn't leave, you call the police.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 10:29

I am not sure if i do want to do this, but do you think anything would actually happen if i did report him for sexual assault? It's just my word against his, and some fb messages where he admitted it.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 10:30

Ignore the last message. You've said you don't want contact so don't engage in conversation. Conversation = persuasion, intimidation, threats, promises... control. So don't initiate conversation and don't respond. Leave it at least a week and, if he keeps contacting you, send one last message that says 'if you contact me again I will get the police involved'.

People who vaguely know the pair of you are no threat to your lifestyle. But if you do talk to anyone, don't be shy about telling them that you've just had a lucky escape from someone. Get your story out there intelligently before he has chance to write it for you.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 10:31

"do you think anything would actually happen if i did report him for sexual assault?"

Yes. You should and would be taken seriously. It would be investigated at the very least. There may not be enough evidence in isolation to take it through to a successful prosecution but it would go on record and that's very important in itself.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 10:33

Okay, i understand now, just for if he turns up. I have also taken on board what BranchingOut said about acting dull, quiet and unintererested in person if i see him.

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 10:34

One step at a time, lovey. Rape Crisis here can assist you in making a decision to report his sexual assaults on you. You would be entirely justified in reporting him, and i hope you do, but atm I am a bit concerned about how vulnerable you are

extricate yourself from him first, then give it serious consideration with the support of RL agencies

Sootgremlin · 23/09/2014 10:36

I think the broken record technique would be for a situation where you can't avoid contact, like if you bumped into him. Just be dull, boring, repetitive.

For a message like that, I personally would ignore it. Tell where you stand, then that's it. Don't engage.

However, I am reluctant to give specific advice over the internet until you've got some back up support from WA etc and follow what they suggest for you.

In your position I would ring 101 and email WA and say you are about to end a relationship that has become abusive and are concerned as to the consequences and need some support. Also would recommend telling your personal tutor at the university, and getting in at the the counselling service, not necessarily to work out your issues but just as a real life sounding board to keep you on track, and to keep you on as many people's 'radar' as possible while you are going through this.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 10:37

"Fully just let me know. Im so lonely and im your not in my life... i just need to accept that. Thats all i need. Hope you understand. Hope uni is going ok?. Love yo (DS)"
Just got this.
I am now going to just reply "it's over, leave me alone, i do not want any contact with you and will be blocking you."
Then i will block him and batten down the hatches.

I know this needs to be done.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 10:39

Ok,ok, have read your messages and haven't replied, i agree it would be a good idea to contact WA BEFORE i fully end it as i would feel better equipped to deal with consequences.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 10:39

If you've already replied something similar, leave it unanswered.

diggerdigsdogs · 23/09/2014 10:54

Oh sweetheart this is chilling. I'm so sorry and you should be so proud of everything you've achieved in spite of him as a fucking mill stone around your neck.

I think you should read the gift of fear you don't need to read all of it but the chapter about harassment and stalking applies to you. As AF said - you have to follow through with NC - each time you contact him again you go back a step.

Very best wishes to you. You can escape him. Thanks

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 11:06

I have sent a rather long email to Women's Aid. Writing it made me realise i haven't realised how bad it has become.

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