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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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Viviennemary · 22/09/2014 15:21

He is a vile and nasty piece of work. You need to get some help from the sources mentioned on this thread and get yourself away from this monster.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 15:21

x-post Cogito.
Regarding what happened at the b&b, it is kind of par for the course with him, it's kind of what he does Sad Not always when i'm asleep, and a lot of the time I have given in to the pawing to get some sleep, but other times I have woken up with him trying to stick his fingers in me or actually doing it, or other stuff. He always says he "thought I was awake", or that I have been up for it before, or that he just couldn't sleep because i'm so beautiful etc etc etc.... Sad

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 15:31

Noone has the right to do that. What are your thoughts now? What are you going to do first?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 15:40

I don't know. I think I need a breather. DS has been watching a dvd for ages and I've been emotionally absent from him all afternoon, which I feel bad about as he goes back to school tomorrow (inset day). I don't start uni again til next week, I've been sticking my head in the sand and i'm dreading it. It makes me feel so alone.
I've turned notifications off from messages from 'him', but I don't need to read them to know what they will say anyway.
I'm not sure whether to reply or ignore, I don't want to antagonise him, but then if I ignore him he steps up the messaging. My head is all over the place.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 15:41

The backlash from him if I reported him would be horrendous. He genuinely thinks he's a sweet, romantic, if a little misunderstood, good guy.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 15:42

Ignoring the messages is a good first step. Keep them as they potentially constitute evidence of harassment. If he steps up the messages and you keep ignoring, what is likely to happen next? Would he turn up in person, for example?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 15:44

If you reported him, then you would be treated as a witness and he would be treated as a alleged offender. A cowardly man might try to intimidate a woman but they are less likely to 'backlash' when they know they are in danger of getting arrested again.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 16:07

I hope you are safe. And feeling safe.

I think ignoring messages is best, unless you felt that radio silence from you would provoke him to come round in which case you could reply with something like "I don't want to see you again. This relationship is finished. If you contact me again I will get the police involved" and then switch your phone off.

The police take this kind of abuse, rape, DV very seriously these days. Every main police station has a DV Officer who will not dismiss you just because he is not currently with you and you are not in the process of being beaten up. You'd have every reason to report him for your sake. Don't not report because of any kind of backlash. If you chose not to report then don't do it for you, not out of consideration for him IYSWIM.

Do have a breather. It will take a little time to get your head round having your relationship re-categorised so horribly.
Be very kind to yourself in the next days and weeks.
Thanks

cailindana · 22/09/2014 16:17

Just ignore the messages. If he steps them up, continue to ignore. You don't have to reply to him, you don't have to do anything. But, if you ever feel in any way unsafe, if he becomes threatening or aggressive, pick up the phone and dial 101 (if you are not in immediate danger) or 999 if the danger is imminent. What he is doing and has done is wrong it is criminal and the police are there to protect you. It doesn't matter if he goes apeshit because you've reported him, it doesn't matter if he thinks he's a good guy, the fact is he's a rapist, one who has raped and assaulted you again and again and again and the right course of action to take in that circumstance is to keep well away from him and report him if you can. You owe him nothing.

borisgudanov · 22/09/2014 16:23

Report this bastard to the police. Now.

pausingforbreath · 22/09/2014 16:31

Quite simply, you are worth so much more than how he treats you.
Recognise your own worth and just get out of this abusive relationship.
Hugs to you.

Castlemilk · 22/09/2014 16:38

Abuser

Rapist

Bully.

I second going to the police, as the fourth thing on the list above is COWARD. He will be one, don't you worry. If you went to the police and they paid him a visit, I would think it quite likely that that would be the last you'd hear from him, barring a few nasty texts which you'd promptly show the police so that they could do a nice little follow-up.

But I can understand if you don't want to go down that route. One thing though is worth saying again and again. If you do not get away from this very dangerous man, one day he will hurt you. What he will also soon do is start to have an effect on your DS. Get this man out of BOTH of your lives. Right now.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 16:57

Just been playing 'shops' with DS.

Thank you, yes I am safe, haven't replied, it sickens me that everything I would say anyway is what I've said 100 times before.

He wouldn't be able to get in here, (i've recently moved, partly to get away from him!! but he convinced me to give him my address during his recent 'I've changed ' phase- I am so stupid).
My new neighbour is pretty nosey so i'm sure he'd say something if there was any banging of doors.
I wouldn't put it past 'him' to sit outside in his car 'checking' for whoever it is he's convinced himself i'm 'shagging' (ugh). He will hopefully have been working today anyway. He would definitely lose his job if he was convicted of sexual assault, he needs to be CRB'd.

The recent 'I've changed' phase is because I arranged a while ago for us to go to relationship counselling- even though we weren't technically 'together'. He then continued on his own and had been "making progress and could see he has made mistakes".
We went to one session and I completely broke down, I surprised myself. The lady said why are you here? I couldn't even breathe. She was trying to calm me down. When I began to even scratch the surface with how he'd been, she said to him: "xxx, why are you smiling?" he said "because I can see how i'm being painted".
I didn't get to tell her the truth because she was trying to be positive. I said loads of nice things about him, stuck up for him! She said to him " do you realise during this whole session that you haven't said anything nice about notsure?". He just shrugged.

Anyway I never went again because I thought he should continue to go by himself, this weekend away was to show me his progress. He genuinely thinks he hasn't done anything wrong, and I feel like I am going insane because it is so at odds with how I feel that it completely twists my head.
Sorry, it's all just sort of coming out.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 16:59

Oh god, someones knocking on the door

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 17:00

It's probably not him but i'm not going to answer.... FFS!!

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PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 17:05

Can you see who is at the door?
Don't answer if you are not sure.

Don't ever have relationship counselling with this man again, but DO have counselling on your own to sort out your own feelings and though processes that led to you accepting this relationship on and off for so long Sad.

If he is so concerned about needing CRB and the possibility of losing his job, well, then he should not sexually assault people. HIS problem, not yours.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 17:07

Please don't be a prisoner in your own home. Do you have a chain on the door so that you can open it partially and see who is calling? If not, they are easy to have fitted.

The experience you had with a relationship counsellor illustrates why it's a bad idea to go to counselling with an abusive person. I'm sorry it was such a terrible ordeal but would strongly recommend you go back to the same person on your own and this time tell her the full truth.... no defending. He'll never seek counselling because, as you point out, he has a deluded opinion of himself.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 17:07

He is never going to change unless HE feels the need to.
IF he wanted to change (he doesn't), HE'd make the effort to organise counselling, not tag along to string you along keep you happy. It was a token exercise and he tried to be the wounded party. Gawd, what a screwed up fecker he is! Let him sort himself out if he wishes (he doesn't) and you look after yourself and your DS.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 17:12

"He would definitely lose his job if he was convicted of sexual assault, he needs to be CRB'd."

Wouldn't be the first person in a position of trust who turns out to be anything but trustworthy. Agree with Pacific that, if his job depends on good behaviour, he shouldn't go around sexually assaulting people....

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 17:14

Here's another thought: if his job involved contact with vulnerable people, he should lost it, seeing that he is a rapist and a serial manipulator and abuser.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 22/09/2014 17:17

I would bet good money on the fact that he's not been anywhere near a counsellor on his own. Pretending he's done so is sly window-dressing to reinforce the idea that there's nothing wrong with him. There is. There's plenty.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 17:18

Knocking has stopped. If i'm not expecting anyone I don't answer the door anyway.
He is still seeing her for weekly sessions, I don't know what he tells her.
I can't see her again because once he becomes her client, she can't do couples counselling because she has to put him first, IYSWIM.

I was having counselling in my old town, I started going because of the afore mentioned girl I was really close with, bent over backwards for, she really was like a sister to me, or so I thought. Then she completely dumped me when I was in childrens hospital with DS for nine days.. just no contact. My family (mum dad and sister) .. well its all a very long story but I didn't have the best childhood. After this 'friend' experience I just thought "what's wrong with me?".

So trying to be positive, I was seeing a lady in my old town but then I moved here and it's been extremely sporadic at best, and we haven't really touched on 'him', it was hard to get out and I felt stupid and didn't tell her I kept going back, because I was embarrassed after I sort-of touched on that there was this guy and she said ignore him, but I didn't. Blush Sad

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 17:20

I sound so naïve, reading that back.
This is really helping, thank you Flowers , I hadn't even thought that he may be lying about seeing that counsellor. slaps forehead

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magoria · 22/09/2014 17:22

I cannot add to what others have said.

Your OP is completely terrifying.

Please consider the GP. Change your telephone number and email address and don't give them to him.

Tell him once on your old number you want no further contact and then go no contact. If he contacts you again use the police this is why they are there.

Please also get a complete STI test as soon as you can.

SolidGoldBrass · 22/09/2014 17:24

This disgusting man can be forced out of your life. No one has the right to contact of any kind with another adult when that contact is unwanted. A person who continues to phone, email, follow, write to or leave gifts for another, even if the communications themselves are love poetry and the gifts pleasant things like sweets, jewellery, flowers etc sending them to someone who doesn't want them is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE.
He is not above the law. He does not have superpowers. Reporting him for his repeated rapes of you is a good idea, and if he loses his job over it that's even better. A man as abusive, selfish, vicious and entitled as him is undoubtedly sexually assaulting/exploiting/bullying/grooming the vulnerable people he works with.