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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 14:40

OP did you say how long this has been going on for? It sounds like quite a long campaign of abuse.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 22/09/2014 14:42

Listen, you have tolerated the most vile abuse. This does not make you weak, this is testament to how strong you really are. He's done his damnest to break you but you are unbroken. Because you are STRONG.

If you have no-one to confide in in real life get on the blower to Womens Aid. They've heard stories like yours and worse. They can probably point you in the direction of where you can find someone to talk to.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 14:43

Would you feel comfortable disclosing what you've told us here to your GP? Access some help and support for yourself from there?

Rape Crisis if you are in England or Wales can also offer support.
Women's Aid to help you Get Out.

Please don't go back to him.

You are not pathetic and your DS is lucky to have you.
You owe it to him to show him how much respect and consideration you deserve - you are his first and most important role model. Please seek help for his sake as much as yours.

AbbieHoffmansAfro · 22/09/2014 14:43

Please promise yourself you will never be alone with him again, please. He is violent, because of what you describe in your post and because, as you said "Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me."

I think he would get worse if you did go back. He's escalating in his abuse of you.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:46

Cogito- this coming January it will be five years since I first went for a drink with someone everyone said was so "gorgeous"...ha! I felt like I should be lucky someone like that would ask me out. Looking back I wasn't ready, wasn't over DS' dad, it had only been ten months.
'He' always accused me of not being "into him" enough, not ever wanting to commit. In reality, giving up mine and DS' home and independence always seemed like a bad idea. I wouldn't have had anywhere to go.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:46

Sorry, keep X - posting

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cardamomginger · 22/09/2014 14:47

None of this is your fault. You are not responsible for his vile and criminal actions.

I confess I didn't read past the B&B episode, as what he is like was crystal clear. He repeatedly sexually assaulted you, attempted to rape you, and from the sounds of it did rape you.

I am so, so sorry. You need to get away from him. You are worth so, so much more. XXX

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 14:48

This is absolutely nobody's fault but his.

Please stop beating yourself up and putting yourself down, and get angry.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:49

Can I access Women's Aid online? I hate talking on the phone and I don't want DS overhearing anything. Anything at all. I don't ever want him to know anything about this. Thank you all so much for listening and being so supportive, I can't quite believe it.

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 22/09/2014 14:50

And now you don't have to go anywhere to be free of him, just ignore any attempts to communicate with you. Lucky!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 14:50

"In reality, giving up mine and DS' home and independence always seemed like a bad idea."

Whatever else you've done or not done, maintaining your own home and physical independence is the most shrewd and intelligent move you could have made. It says to me that you've known it has been wrong for a long, long time and there is a very large self-preservation instinct still working away in there, trying to protect you. If you'd moved in with him, your life would be 10 x worse.

Please get some help in getting this man taken away and kept away. However 'gorgeous' he looks on the outside, he's ugly everywhere else.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 14:51

Woman's Aid

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 14:52

Many abusive and damaging people are good-looking, superficially charming and very plausible when they want/need to be - don't worry about having been taken in. They seek people they recognise as vulnerable and prey on them: again, not your fault, but HIS.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:53

True, Bitter. I am glad I trusted my instincts on that one.
I feel slightly in shock, up until this point it has all been kept inside and quiet, now I've written it down, and you have all kindly been honest about what the reality of this situation is, it's quite shocking.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 14:54

Womens Aid Contact Details

Sootgremlin · 22/09/2014 14:58

Well done for getting all this down. I know how hard it is to really 'see' a situation when you're right inside it. Please don't be alone with him again, and take the advice up thread, police, women's aid.

This is not a man to have in your life, make sure as hell he is not a part of your son's.

Also, don't feel ashamed. You have done nothing to deserve this or bring it into your life. He is the one with the problem, not you, don't doubt yourself.

I don't believe abusers hone in on vulnerable people necessarily. I think they can prey on a perfectly fine, strong person and seek to suck the life out of them because of an insecurity in themselves. Just because this has left you feeling weak does not mean you are weak. You have been attacked and undermined in every possible way, that would have an effect on anybody.

Sootgremlin · 22/09/2014 15:00

I cross-posted with your comment pacificdogwood I wasn't taking issue with what you said about vulnerability in case it appears that way.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 15:03

No worries, Soot - I think what you said is true too.

notsure, yes, it is quite shocking and I am glad that you see it as such too. I hope you find the strength to go on from this position of shock and accept no more abuse. From him or anybody else.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 15:03

I just did the "ask yourself these questions" quiz on the women's aid website, and got 9 out of 18, mainly because I don't live with him. Practically, does anyone know what advice they could offer, a lot of the help they talk about on there is regarding housing.
I feel a bit like i'd be wasting their time.

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PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 15:04

No, you categorically would not be wasting their time.

You need a 'debrief' and some help in avoiding relationships similar to this one in the future. Do contact them - be as honest with them as you have been here and they will outline to you what kind of help they can offer you.

Have a google at 'Freedom Program' - that might be helpful too?

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 15:05

Freedom Programme

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2014 15:13

The advice they could offer for you would be two-fold. 1. How to get a persistent and abusive man out of your life for good 2. Ways - such as the Freedom Programme - to understand the dynamic of abusive relationships so that you would feel much less responsible and much more confident in rejecting anything similar in future.

I'd also suggest you talk to Rape Crisis because you were raped at the B&B

notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 15:16

I've found a women's centre in my area that does the freedom programme, I will find the guts to ring tomorrow after I've dropped DS at school. I still feel wobbly but after what you have all said today, I feel more justified in asking for help. You are all so supportive, thank you so much Flowers
I can't believe i'm in an abusive situation. Thank you for listening. I'm worried i'll wake up tomorrow and brush this all under the carpet again cause I don't really matter and I've got to make everything nice for everyone else. Blush

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KateeGee · 22/09/2014 15:16

Hi OP,

I started a thread last week. My situation is somewhat similar to yours - I suffered abuse when I was younger and have been in a horribly sexually abusive relationship for 7 years and it has only just dawned on me. I too don't really have anyone in real life to talk to. I hope you don't mind me linking my thread, but it's only been a week and I have had so much invaluable advice and food for thought that I thought you might want to take a look at the responses in case any of those posters don't catch your thread. I know it's not one size fits all, but I hope it can help. (NB there is also A LOT of waffle from me that is completely irrelevant to your case, but the replies have been very helpful).

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2185899-My-difficult-youth-has-caught-up-with-me-and-is-ruining-every-relationship-I-have

Needless to say, you are not a spineless victim at all and none of this is your fault. You have been in contact with dangerous and exploitative people but you must get away from this man. Cutting all ties is the only way, it may take time but you can do it. I too have been too scared/tired/apprehensive to call Women's Aid or Rape Crisis so far, so I get where you are coming from. But in the meantime, keep on here and you will get support.

Good luck.

MsCoconut · 22/09/2014 15:19

Glad you are trying to seek external support. Your situation sounds horrible with this man. If you are still at Uni (or up to 6 months after finishing your course I believe) often there will be a rape crisis/woman's aid team through the Uni, you could try contacting. They might be able to offer advice specific to the city you are living now or be able to talk to you face to face.

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