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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 16:53

Ellasmum glad you got out, and thanks. Its so hard when one minute you're a princess/their world and the next you're a cunt and a bitch.
It's so messed up!

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PedantMarina · 29/09/2014 18:03

KOKO, sure. (I'm not calling you "notsure" any more!)

PM if you want to talk.

PacificDogwood · 29/09/2014 18:06

Draining Woman and 'him' both think the other one is horrible to me!!
They recognise themselves, then Grin

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 18:15

Thankyou PedantMarina, perhaps i should consider a name change.
PacificDogwood innit! I think maybe they're both in complete denial about their own behaviour, their own selves.

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PacificDogwood · 29/09/2014 18:16

Yes, it's hard to confront yourself.
But you are doing it.
Thanks

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 18:40

With the 'emotional housekeeping' as it were, has anyone ever cut a toxic friend out of their life? I don't want to be a bitch, but I also never want to see her again after the last time.
I always end up being sucked back in by these toxic people and regretting it.
I feel like a bitch saying exactly why I wouldn't like to be friends any more. Confused

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PacificDogwood · 29/09/2014 18:59

Well, IME, the trick is to actually say out loud what you want and not expect them to get the message with subtle hints.
No need to be a bitch or rude about it.

"I don't want to meet up"
"I can't meet up with you"
Repeat ad nauseam until she gets it - you can add a reason ("because I always feel awful after I've been with you") but you don't have to.
It's called the 'broken record' technique - just keep saying the same thing. Until they get it.

Or just don't reply to messages Grin - just like you are doing with 'him'. You can use what you are learning in dealing with him for other people too.

PedantMarina · 29/09/2014 19:33

Yes, verysure - a couple of times! One (ex-friend) I felt I had to write a long letter explaining. Others simply get the "I'm not able to see you for a while, at least. I'll ring you if this changes".

In your instance, I'd say to toxic houseguest something very direct and honest: "I need to have more positivity in my life for the foreseeable, and I don't think you provide that". Or you could just leave it at a much more simple "I was really offended by your racism at the party; that doesn't belong in my life, and certainly not my DS's".

I think the main thing you need to not do is worry you're going to be seen as a bitch. If they want to think of you as a bitch, they're going to. Accept the truth and be free: You can't control what they think of you, and to think you can gives them the emotional blackmail wedge they need.

PedantMarina · 29/09/2014 19:35

And YY to the "broken record". It's a tried and tested technique. It's helped me in the past to pretend the other party is a high-pressure salesperson, and I do recommend it - gives you the emotional distance you need.

orangefusion · 29/09/2014 19:55

Good on you, 6 days is great, one day at a time. Keep on ignoring those texts, see if you can culture a sense of enjoyment from not answering them- because each time you ignore a text you are putting yourself further away from him.

He is sending you those texts which look like they are saying warm and fuzzy things but in reality they are cold and prickly- he is sending them because he is furious with you- how dare you ignore him- how very dare you. He is trying to win you back, so he wont let you see the dark side overtly, he will keep it hidden under a velvet coat. Each of those texts is sent with the one objective- win you over. I can picture that smile you describe at the counselling session, it makes my blood run cold. He is harassing you and this is a criminal offence.

Wrt your "friend", you know that she is not good for you, you know how she makes you feel, you can do no contact with her too if that is what it takes. Surround yourself now with people who are kind and good, not vampires who suck your life and leave you empty and sad.

Take solace in your lovely boy, make sure he is going to school and that you are going to uni- therein are your shining paths. Education will help you both to grow and you can share your learning together each evening.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 22:20

He's stepping up the calls and messaging now. I do miss him. I really miss the 90% good and happy times. He just ruined it with the other 10% insecurity and nastiness, possessiveness.
I am not replying.

Orangefusion it is like a velvet coat Sad

Pacific and Pedantmarina yep, I definitely don't care what she thinks. I just don't want to be unnecessarily mean.

Whatever. I feel so duped.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 22:21

'Whatever' at DrainWoman, btw.
Could really do with a cuddle.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 22:25

Forgot to say , DS went to French class today and loved it!
He also said at bedtime he loves me more than the Flying Scotsman (train) which is a big deal ;)

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arowhena · 29/09/2014 22:27

Qu'il est mignon :D

longtallsally2 · 29/09/2014 22:34

Grin at loving you more than the Flying Scotsman. Now that is love indeed!

Well done on not replying again. You re bound to miss him and those 90% good times. They must have been wonderful, to keep you there, and keep you going back. It's very very early days yet. You are no-where near being able to imagine yourself with someone else, but it may help if you can visualise yourself doing happy things with your ds instead. Try to surround yourself with positive things for yourself - a nice hotwater bottle at bedtime; your favourite meals; TV programmes/DVD sets that you love; a nice plant for home, a nice big fluffy cushion to cuddle up to - treat yourself, if you can to small treats, to keep yourself smiling . . .

and do remember the poo in the lovely coffee when you are missing him. Yes, that coffee was perfectly made; it smelt and looked great, but . . . .

NettleTea · 29/09/2014 23:15

Been looking for this page
to send to you.

You say 'why me, there must be something wrong about me?' but this article uses a really good metaphor to show you how it has happened, and how the 'bars' of the cage can be repaired.

As for the 10% bad - it might be worth reading this oft recommended thread

The only acceptable level of abuse is 0%

Somebody previously compared it to having a really lovely cup of coffee, but it had 10% poo in it - would you still drink it? How much poo should be in it for it to be OK to drink?

NettleTea · 29/09/2014 23:15

oh, just seen the poo has already been raised!!

KateeGee · 29/09/2014 23:44

Hi sure (loving how you've been renamed!)

Re DrainWoman (how apt), worrying about being unnecessarily mean is another consequence of how you have been conditioned throughout your life. You have been taught that you should tiptoe around other people's feelings even when they don't bother doing the same courtesy.

Like you, I prefer to maintain my integrity and be a good person and not mean for the sake of it. But if the Drain is persistent, sticking to the facts isn't being mean. Even saying "you've been openly racist, I find that unpalatable and don't want my son exposed to that kind of behaviour" isn't being mean, it's sticking to the facts and giving her a reason that she can't argue against. She won't like being told that she did wrong, and she won't like you suddenly being assertive (oh the friends I have lost when I started to challenge them...), but you can be confident that you're not mean, you're just doing what's best for you.

LoisPuddingLane · 30/09/2014 08:00

Even if 90% of the time with him was good - which I doubt, given the kind of chap he is - in the remaining time he has done things to you which are either criminal or left you feeling suicidal. Not a good man, by a long shot.

AbbieHoffmansAfro · 30/09/2014 13:04

Bear in mind that if you got back into contact with him things would be worse OP, because on some level he would want to punish you for protesting to him and staying away from him.

It is much much less dangerous for you to keep out of contact and out of reach than to engage with him in any way.

tipsytrifle · 30/09/2014 13:29

You're doing brilliantly well, sure by not responding. Have you reported this last week's onslaught of texts and calls though? It is a criminal offence now and will be taken seriously.

I don't suppose you found your missing info? Like you my gut suspects your toxic vampire ex-friend. Presumably you can phone around and get the numbers you need again?

Absolutely loved hearing about the Flying Scotsman moment! So very precious Smile

magoria · 30/09/2014 13:39

Over a week now. Keep going you are doing really well.

When will you consider this harassment and report him.

I bet if you look at the 90% good it wasn't 90% good on your terms but on you doing what he wanted to make it good to your own detriment.

Finally 90% good isn't good enough to accept a 10% cheating, abusive rapist as a partner.

LoisPuddingLane · 30/09/2014 13:52

I feel in my water this could be the danger point, at which you might waver and contact him. Because the good memories are strong.

We are all wishing and hoping and praying that you do not. But if you do, you can tell us. No-one will judge.

AnyFucker · 30/09/2014 14:28

Talk to us, op

FunkyBoldRibena · 30/09/2014 14:30

The good memories love were just to keep you hooked on the line.