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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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Christmascandles · 28/09/2014 17:50

Hi Notsure
I've just found your thread and read it top to bottom....
Oh my goodness, I think words actually fail me... You are doing amazingly well. You are far, far stronger than you realise. And your DSL sounds amazing, bless him. You're a proper little team, aren't you Grin his dad sounds a bit of a twat tho
You are absolutely doing the right thing tho with regard to Him. Continue to ignore and save all of the emails in the 'load of bollocks' folder. I don't think I've ever read about such a manipulating, vile person in all my life.
Don't forget that involving the police doesn't mean that he has to be prosecuted etc. although he clearly raped you and I'm so sorry for you that that happened.
I know nothing about these things but maybe an injunction to prevent him from contacting you...?
Stay strong OP. We are all here for you Thanks

orangefusion · 28/09/2014 18:43

Oh notsure, I have just read your whole thread and I just want to reach out and offer you a great big MN hug (in RL I don't hug without permission).

This man is a classic abuser, from what you say he matches most of the symptoms of narcisstic nersonality disorder and/or psychopath. Not that either of these two labels will help you at the moment but if you want to read about these types, just put either term into google and prepare to see a portrait so accurate of him and his behaviour as to make you shiver...

Your sorrow at the loss of the "nice bits" is normal when ending contact with someone like this. He is an expert at knowing what to say and do to make you feel lovely when he needs to groom you a bit and make you compliant- he has a lifetime of practice and he is a master practitioner. He is also an expert at being violent and abusive and then thinking he can charm his way out of it. His whole way of being is a script which is why he uses the same lines over and over again when trying to get you to do what he wants. He may have lifted them from a film or a book about a character that he admires or where the male lead gets what he wants.

What will help you is sticking with the decision you have made to stay no contact and please, please pursue the police route. This snake charmer will stop at nothing to get what he wants until you stand up to him, he will hate the idea that the police are onto his case, it may even cause him to back off because he realises that you have got to the point that you wont supply him with what he wants any longer.

You are doing a fantastic job of taking the steps you need to protect yourself and your son. Keep on keeping on.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 20:32

Pacific , thank you for the links, very interesting and I signed up for the moodscope thing.
Talking you are so kind with what you said about me. It's made my day. xx
You're also right about worth - I was(and am) so full of love, I adored my family, I never understood why I was such a massive inconvenience, a problem. THE problem. I have read a little about scapegoating/golden child and my sister was 100% golden whereas I was the 'problem' - although I never actually did anything other than read and try not to exist.

I have never had any answers as to why they ALL treated me how they did, and I doubt I will. Doesn't matter anyway. Closest I ever got was my mum shrugging: "guess I am just a shit mum".

I am so grateful to them for showing me exactly how I don't want to be with DS. He won't know what its like for me to scream in his face how much I fucking hate him, he's ruined my life, why is he even here?".

I absolutely adore him, he's a complete babe. He is so smart and kind and loving and sweet and really funny - such good company. I have had a lot of comments, most people who meet him can't believe he's only six. His teacher said, when I asked if he was settling in ok, how "incredibly bright" he is, how he is "outstanding" at maths, his reading is way ahead of his age, she can tell I read with him a lot Smile and he is a "joy to teach because he's so interested in everything and constantly asking questions".

Sorry, could go on about him all day - he's an absolute peach and i'm very proud. Having him made me realise a lot about my own childhood - and want to protect him from it too.

Thank you for all the support - I AM determined to change, I have come a long way in the past few years, but I also have a long way to go.

Every message helps me understand, strengthens me, and I can't thank you enough. Flowers

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 20:44

Pacific SootGremlin Strawdolly Ribena Yes about emotional vampire and getting rid of her.
Luckily I only see her a couple of times a years, and every time I think 'MY GOD' - I can't do this again cause I feel like someone has sucked all the joy out of my feet and everything has turned to cardboard and sour milk and downturned mouths...
I could be here all day with the horrible things she's said about practically everyone she's seen today - plus she's actually a massive racist and I can't listen to it ever again.

I would like to tell her actually, how offensive and miserable she is, but I only got as far as a "Please stop - not in front of DS" when she was saying the party kids mum looked a bit dim, the dad was up himself and there was a larger kid there who was 'fat' but not surprised- did I see 'what a porker' his dad was? Angry

DS' friend who is not white was 'hogging the parcel' at pass the parcel because 'its obviously a cultural thing' - - -just what?? Confused

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 20:52

Christmascandles thank you so much re: Team DS and I Smile I am not sure what police can do if I don't press charges though..
Orangefusion that's what makes me sad, that 'he' fits into this classic 'abuser' profile. I have often said to him regarding how he treats me, you're either really stupid or really cruel- to keep repeatedly doing the same vicious things to me over and over, then saying the same old shit to get me back.
Or maybe i'm the stupid one for going back time and again. Even now, I've just got a text : "Please, sweetheart".

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PacificDogwood · 28/09/2014 20:53

Your DS sounds like a right wee cracker Smile - you are lucky to have him and he is lucky to have you Thanks

You need to implement your assertiveness training when your 'friend' is in town next and tell her 'no, I can't meet with you because you sap the will to live out of me'.
Emotional housekeeping, you see.
No need to add a reason if you don't want to.

PacificDogwood · 28/09/2014 20:55

You are NOT stupid - you never were, and you are not now.

He is the skilful manipulator - now that your eyes are opened as it were, his 'power' over you will be diminished.

The police can protect you should anything happen in the future. Please speak to them and be on their 'radar'. Whether or not you press charges is entirely up to you Thanks

orangefusion · 28/09/2014 21:24

Please do not interpret what I said a about classic abusers as suggesting you are or were stupid. There are a fair few of us on here who have also fallen for someone who works in the same way. One of the things these men like is to "win" someone who is not clearly NOT stupid- like trophies. Strong women are also vulnerable, and manipulators like him know it.

Pacific is right, his power is ebbing away before his eyes, that is why he is pestering you so much.

Stay focussed on your recovery from this abuse, on building a great life free of fear and harrasment and showing your lovely son how to grow up to be a lovely man who loves and respects women.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 21:24

Pacific the lovely DV policeman on Friday said that if I spoke to WA they know him personally as they have v close links and if wanted to press charges I could go back through them to him, and while he was speaking from a police point of view, they could deal with the emotional side of things. So he didn't just leave me hanging with a 'do or don't' press charges option.
I swing from 'you fucker, it needs to stop and someone should make you see you are a nasty bastard'
to
' everyone will think i'm making it up, don't want to ruin his life, just leave it and move on'
with a hint of occasional
'maybe he can change, he loves me, he'd do anything for me' bollocks thrown in!

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 21:33

Orangefusion , thank you, it is about winning with him.

Have started copying and pasting resonating paragraphs from this thread, this is going in:

Stay focussed on your recovery from this abuse, on building a great life free of fear and harrasment and showing your lovely son how to grow up to be a lovely man who loves and respects women

It is recovery.

DS is sweet, this am I had period pains and he said would you like a massage? and rubbed my back, and this afternoon gave me some sweets from his party bag and said cause i had a pain (not sure if he meant PP's or aforementioned friend Grin )I could choose what film we watched.

He knows to treat women with respect. He's already made his little female friend at school heart cards, he seems to get on really well with girls actually Smile

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 21:54

"I really need you right now, please, if you're not coming back baby just say..."

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FunkyBoldRibena · 28/09/2014 22:13

He doesn't seem at all fussed about ruining your life love.

PacificDogwood · 28/09/2014 22:17

"I really need you right now - I need you to answer me/come back to confirm the control I have over you.
please, if you're not coming back baby just say…" - You have said. You've told him. He knows.

If his life ends up ruined, it is by his actions, not yours, whatever you decide to do wrt putting things on record/charging him.

AnyFucker · 28/09/2014 22:18

Ignore

tipsytrifle · 28/09/2014 22:22

Stay strong, dear notsure and do not respond. You made your end-text message very clear. Your son is a credit to your honesty, intelligence and loving nature.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 22:27

I am staying strong. I haven't replied. He usually does this.
You're right, he's not bothered, despite saying he's 'sorry', about ruining my life.
His dad was a horrible shit to him, but not his sisters. His mum stood by and let his dad beat him. Why would he need to make someone else suffer?
Yeah it is by his actions, he is so skewed with his idea of what love is.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 22:30

tipsytrifle , thank you so much. xx

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AnyFucker · 28/09/2014 22:30

Well done. I am sorry "draining friend" has tired you out

Rally now

notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 22:35

AnyFucker thank you.
I will.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 22:42

I'm all over the place- I want to message him, I know I won't but I want to.
Crying, just why? With everything, why? I genuinely want to know. (Possibly where DS gets it from!)

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AnyFucker · 28/09/2014 22:47

You won't get your answer fro him, love.

AnyFucker · 28/09/2014 22:48

*from

notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 23:00

I haven't had any answers from anyone, AF.
That's why I first sought counselling, 2 yrs ago, because I thought well, it must be me then. Somethings wrong with me.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 23:02

A lot of individuals, over a really long period of time, doing the same horrible things to me, they can't all be wrong can they? It must be me.

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AnyFucker · 28/09/2014 23:04

The answers are with you. Not because any of it was your fault. But because you thought you didn't deserve better. Well, you do.