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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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LoisPuddingLane · 29/09/2014 10:48

Don't panic. The likelihood of Vampire Woman taking it is slim. Much too self-involved! It's probably on the floor or attached to something else. Or is it IN your diary?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 10:48

Thankyou Turbonerd and sorry to hear you had to go through similar - hope you are ok now?

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Christmascandles · 29/09/2014 10:50

Ah x post. Well that's a bugger isn't it re your notes.
Sit down and go through the pile again, piece by piece. Are you sure you didn't move it to your bedroom I do this kind of thing all the time
Is your diary there. Have you folded it into there...?

PlumpPartridge · 29/09/2014 10:51

Does she know him?

Even if she has got it, it's not like he can gain anything from the information. You've spoken to the police and WA, and I bet that you can call the station and ask for your friend again. Maybe blame it on your DS (however unjustified!) because you don't want it to sound like you're blaming a 'friend', as that sounds a bit odd, however true, and you also don't want to come across as the type who loses stuff (I bet you're very much not that person).

It is unnerving when you feel other people have been through your things though. I wouldn't let her make contact again, if you can help it.

Wrt looking after yourself, I struggle with this. Start small: buy yourself a nice sandwich that you actually like rather than the cheapest available that you 'don't mind'. Tell your DS that you're going to have a nice long bath and for him please not to call you unless it's urgent. Instead of thinking 'That'll do' when you get ready in the morning, look in the mirror and tell yourself you look good (even if you don't feel it at the time). Pick one thing, no matter how tiny, that you like about your appearance and feel good about that at least. You are worth loving (with respect and kindness and everything). Your DS loves you and he's clearly awesome, so he must be right Grin

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 10:53

Not in diary, not in pile of papers, not in files in the same pile, not in the recycling, not in my room, not in the bin. It was just in the same pile of papers, i haven't moved them at all, i wouldn't have just moved that piece of paper cause i'd have thought - ooh i need that and stashed it - like you said- folded into my diary.

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LoisPuddingLane · 29/09/2014 10:56

It will be there somewhere. I know when I'm stressed I lose things.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 10:56

PlumpPartridge Thank you :) Think tonight is gonna be bath night!
I need a new writing pad for uni, so i might buy a pretty one rather than the 'basics' cheapest lined pad (which is thin and crap and all the paper comes out) Thank you, it is the little things all of you have said. Baby steps. xx

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 11:11

Been through recycling with a fine toothed comb, nothing. Went through the kitchen bin and outside bin as well. That is the only explanation i can think of. DS knows not to touch my 'pile' of important stuff plus if he had it would be around the house somewhere.
How strange! It's little things like this that make me feel a bit crazy!
She has tried to completely and quite seriously fuck me over in the past due to insane jealousy ( me being happy and her unhappy) so i wouldn't put it past her but i feel like i am being paranoid Confused Confused

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LoisPuddingLane · 29/09/2014 11:31

Handbag?

IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 29/09/2014 11:34

notsure,

You can contact your mobile service provider and get a different number without either upgrading or getting a new sim. Explain that you are getting nuisance calls and it's changed immediately. It can take up to 2 hours to activate so it's best to do it when you're not likely to need the phone immediately.

It ccost me £10, but I think providers vary

irulethisworld · 29/09/2014 11:51

Am I the only one thinking you should fix him up with this emotional vampire woman? Smile

LoisPuddingLane · 29/09/2014 11:54

Notsure - I have a habit of shoving things in my bra and forgetting...could it possibly be there?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 12:02

Christmascandles thank you for thinking of me, i am hanging onto the thought of the end goal.
PlumpPartridge yeah she does know him (through me seeing him), she was the one who told me i should go out for a drink with him cause he was 'gorgeous' and it would piss my ex off ( who she hates cause i got together with him when i lived with her and her life revolved around trying to get a boyfriend- she has got one now after 8 years of online dating and no second dates- a guy said yes to a second date and shes now all over him. At the time she couldn't stand that me and DS' dad were happy- and we were, then).

I have googled WA number and rang, said about Friday and she said yes apparently someone rang you back this morning, did you have a missed call from a withheld number? i said no but i did have a call from a mobile number, but she didn't seem to get that i didn't answer it as i thought it was 'him' on a different mobile and they didn't leave a message.

She said oh yeah that would have been duty lady on reception mobile. I said well i thought it was him! She said they'd ring me back so i picked up the random mobile number which was them.

Anyway i explained about Friday that the DV PO had put me through to them and she said well are you in immediate danger, i said no, i don't live with him. I said he knows where i live and he has been hassling me and saying he's in my city, he lives in city an hr away.

She says "so he doesn't know where you live and youre not in danger?"

I was like He does! He does know where i live!

"well has he been round?"

"No"

Ok, what are you wanting from us?

Well, PO said you could help me.

We could see you next week.

Could you do any sooner? I'm really not in a good place, i will come any time you have an appointment as uni is not as important, i will take time off.

We have to prioritise women who want to go into a refuge

Ok, i understand, what's the soonest you could see me?

We could see you next week for an appointment.

Basically couldn't get me off the phone fast enough. Kept saying bye now.
I feel like they think i'm wasting their time

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longtallsally2 · 29/09/2014 12:04

Just checking in NS, to see how you are doing. Hope that paper turns up soon, but if it doesn't, you have your notes here on this thread. Use it, if you need it to write another script to talk to WA. Chances are that if you do another one, then the first one will turn up when you no longer need it. If ex 'friend' has taken it, then you have another one and you have one more reason if you need it, to ditch her super pronto.

Two more items to add to your list:

  1. Follow up why WA didn't phone back on Friday. Breathe and phonecall.
  2. Keep on not replying to him. 6 days and counting.
  3. Deep breaths and walk through the door into uni lecture this afternoon. Try not to panic or cry! Try to think of something to say if anyone speaks to me ( i hope they don't).
  4. Enjoy that cuddle/hot chocolate/geeky geology programme with ds once you have heard all about his day.
  5. Remember to post to all of your friends and followers on MN. We really are here every day and rooting for you: it is such a privilege to see someone learning to be stronger and to stand up for herself. You and your ds sound fabulous - you are going to have very happy times together. You can enjoy being single and a mum for a while, building up your self esteem and drinking lots of hot chocolate Smile
longtallsally2 · 29/09/2014 12:08

Xposted. Don't be put off the lady with the slightly grumpy manner. She is used to handling a variety of calls from women, some of whom are locked in a bathroom whilst he hammers on the door, others who are afraid of him coming home that night, others who are in less immediate danger. It doesn't mean that you aren't important, but her main job is to identify where you are on the scale of immediate danger and then to direct you to someone who can help you.

It would be great if they could help you sooner, and maybe there is a cancellation later this week but if not, grab that appointment. You are not wasting their time, and MN can help you prepare a list of questions to discuss with them then

HTh

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 12:12

Longtallsally2 Thank you Flowers
Can't wait to pick up DS.
Thank you for rooting for me, I really do want to be stronger and so much more assertive. I am going to watch that Assertiveness Ted Talk later, I only have this afternoon to get through and its Wispa Gold Hot Choc and crystal caves and a snuggly peach.

I have always enjoyed being single (wonder why? ;) )

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 12:15

Double X-post, longtallsally . yes i do understand, completely, it's my own sense of paranoia that no one will believe me or care, and i'll stay stuck here in this cycle. I know there are lots of women worse off than me, and i am grateful that it hasn't got to that point recently.
I have to go to uni now Sad Probably be able to post while i'm there if wifi allows.

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LoisPuddingLane · 29/09/2014 12:18

Just read your own posts back. I'm not diminishing the experience of women who are beaten by partners, but you have been left on the floor wanting to die rather than be put through more of his emotional and psychological shit.

Your experience is bad enough to warrant help. You deserve to be cared for, cared about and - while not carefree - at least not to have HIM hanging over your whole existence.

PlumpPartridge · 29/09/2014 12:32

notsure this is, once again, the prioritisation of physical harm over emotional harm by services that are there to help with both (I have the same gripe about the gulf between general health and mental health - if you can't see it then it isn't there sort of thing).

I do sympathise with them as there are a lot of cases where people are in immediate danger and need rescuing, but your needs are important too and you shouldn't have been made to feel like you've been given the brush-off. That's poor telephone manners from her and really not what I'd expect given the sensitive nature of her role.

Try not to let her put you off - you have had reassurance from the police officer that yes, your concerns ARE justified, for one thing.

I KNEW she knew him, just knew it! If she did take your paper, then she's certainly no friend. If she didn't, well, she sounds pretty horrible anyway so I'd phase her out if I were you.....

Good luck with uni, we're thinking of you Thanks

Strawdolly · 29/09/2014 12:38

I am going to watch that Assertiveness Ted Talk later

I've just watched it, Notsure, and would highly recommend it.

PacificDogwood · 29/09/2014 13:30

A lot of individuals, over a really long period of time, doing the same horrible things to me, they can't all be wrong can they? It must be me.

It. Is. Not. You.

I am saying that not because I know you or because I have any knowledge of you being a particularly valuable, nice human being Wink, but because nobody deserves to be treated like that.

Counselling should never be thought of as a way to 'fix you' - it should act more as a mirror or sounding board that allows you to see yourself and your situation from another perspective, helping you to resolve whatever needs resolving.
People in difficult situation may chose to act in very different ways, some of which may be more constructive than others, but it is never for any counsellor to say 'you should do XYZ in your situation'.

I am sorry to felt dismissed by WA, but do meet up with them next week. Next week is better than not meeting with them, honest.

I hope you find your note paper with the numbers on again - but if not, you know you can get all those numbers again. This is a set-back, not a disaster; don't give it more power than it deserves.

Interesting what your says about Draining Woman's take on 'Him' - maybe she would like to go out with him?! Wink

turbonerd · 29/09/2014 13:30

Keep Looking after yourself. You are definitely not wasting anyones time. They just have to rate it after immediate urgency.
Take the appt when you get it and tell everything. It is perhaps scary, but your ex has done things that are very, very wrong. It is strange how some people do these horrendous things, yet the person on the receiving end feel in the wrong. I'm saying that as someone who still find myself excusing and feeling sorry for my ex-fuckwit.
You do Deserve much, much better!

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 16:38

I've taken the appointment for Monday at 12.

Having a strange day - walking to uni- on a hospital site. Stopped to check phone, heard screaming, turned round to see commotion by a car outside maternity unit - obviously someone turning up to give birth. She was screaming and stood outside the car, people, I assume midwifes/medical staff/her partner etc there, she was saying I'm pushing, i'm pushing, the baby's coming. They were all like no, not yet, don't push, lets get you inside. She was insisting the baby was coming out, they were all like "you're fine" I started to walk off and she screamed and i heard this awful whoosh and a thud. The baby had obviously shot out and hit the floor - poor woman.
I walked into uni in shock, the midwives were all telling her it was fine, she knew her own body and was telling them what was going to happen and they ignored her and..oh my god, I hope they were both ok.
Sometimes authorities think they know better but they don't always.
I didn't put too many details on here as I wouldn't ever want the lady in question to read it... sat in lectures just thinking about her.. poor poor woman and little baby. My thoughts are still with them.

'He' has been ringing today. He's the one I would have rung upset about that poor lady. I do miss speaking to him, he wasn't a bastard all the time, his own insecurities make him behave how he does, but he could be sweet and loving, and we used to talk all night about the world.

All over the place today. Watched the TED talk, and realised I was sitting in lecture today holding my neck, which is trying to protect yourself.

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EllasMum16 · 29/09/2014 16:46

Hi OP, I've just sat and read this whole thread from the beginning and think you're doing so well for breaking contact with him especially given the way he's been hounding you. It is a shame that woman from WA made you feel like that, you are definitely not wasting their time and I hope that conversation didn't put you off. I had an ex similar to yours although not anything like as extreme, but the similar pattern of accusing me of sleeping with other people, calling me a cunt and a bitch etc then being all apologetic and saying I was his world- it is totally THEIR issues making then behave that way and not a reflection on you and you definitely shouldn't have to stand for it!

notsurehowigottothispoint · 29/09/2014 16:49

..and I do understand re WA and then prioritising, I think it is more my own insecurities re being seen as a timewaster.
Pacific Draining Woman and 'him' both think the other one is horrible to me!!
PlumpPartridge I hope I never see her again, to be honest, and would welcome being able to phase her out. Not sure where to start.

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