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Work Stress? Err don't think so mate!

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thenamehaschanged · 02/09/2014 18:49

I can't copy and paste a link rather annoyingly - but this is my follow on thread from my original How far can he take the stressed from work excuse?

It burst at the seams with all the fantastic MN support I received and so I have started a new one as I carry on my journey of divorcing my very abusive husband.

Thanks
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Twinklestein · 15/09/2014 16:32

So you thought OP might pop off to a refuge without actually needing to go? Hmm

You don't get places in refuges on the basis of a random whim, and no they're not free hotels.

WellWhoKnew · 15/09/2014 16:36

Sorry Twinkle I didn't think that at all, and I'm sorry if my post makes it appear that way.

The dilemma faced MyName is a very real one - it has absolutely has to be something you must do if you need to, but it does have significant consequences on the divorce costs, and the level of acrimony within the divorce.

That is the point I have possibly very badly made above.

GarlicSeptimus · 15/09/2014 16:48

Do you know anyone who says, "oh shit, I'm sorry about that, I can see my behaviour was so awful now you've done that. Here have your divorce, I'll make this easy for you, just say what you want and I'll go along with it, I'm a just so ashamed of myself"

I did! It was the only way to get a quick divorce. I'm certainly not alone in this - although I should definitely have eased up on the "Have what you want" part of it. Court archives are stuffed with divorce petitions by abusers, citing abuse by their worn-out partners, who signed because that paper had "EXIT" on it in large, invisible print Wink

thenamehaschanged · 15/09/2014 16:48

No it's ok wwk I get you and you too twink.

I am really weighing things up here now.

In terms of safeguarding here, for a start I can't change the licks as it's his house too. we are in a mid terraced house with a high walled, secure back garden. The only way in and out therefore is the front door in a narrow hallway. If he was in here kicking off then the three options available to me would be

  1. Try and barge me and the kids past him.
  2. Lock us in the bathroom which hasn't got the best of locks and call the police.
  3. Try and get us out the front window which is a heavy sash window with broken sash cord so doesn't stay up.

None of these options are acceptable, especially with young children present.

I could go to a b&b rather than a refuge if that was going to be contentious in the divorce, but he would probably be at the school to greet us in the morning.

I could wait for him to call after he's received the papers and tell him not to come here but that's just not going to do anything, of course he will turn up.

I think I will have a look at these ncdv people (thanks Twink)

Thanks everyone Thanks

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thenamehaschanged · 15/09/2014 16:50

Locks!!! Haha not licks - Jesus!

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WellWhoKnew · 15/09/2014 16:58

Oh agree with that Garlic, and it's totally understandable!

(My post was really bad): I meant 'Do you know any abusive spouses who....'

Not abused spouses accepting the 'exit'.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 15/09/2014 17:04

This website is specifically for issues with child services, but might be worth a flick through, see if theres anything handy?? Helplines etc that you havent tried?

www.childprotectionresource.org.uk/issues-of-violenceabuse/

trackrBird · 15/09/2014 18:56

This is a crazy situation thename. Your solicitor doesn't seem to understand the gravity of the situation.

You can't sit at home planning safe exits and risking life and limb because a solicitor says 'see how it goes when you serve the papers'....Please call WA, make it a priority.

thenamehaschanged · 15/09/2014 19:12

I will trackr Thanks

This is just all so surreal - I'm going out on Saturday night with an old friend who is the ex wife of H's childhood up until now best mate - H is all 'go and have fun, throw money at it and won't she think your husband is so generous and lovely'

He just phoned there - 'I know the answer's going to be no but I just thought you might want to meet for a drink after (he's played) football'.....NO!

I'm quite glad in a way that I'm seeing my friend because it's a reminder to him of who exactly I'm in touch with. I haven't seen her in ages. She may be his closest pal's ex but they have a child together and so are in regular contact which is now amicable. H is all about saving face so he really wouldn't want me going back to her and telling her how much of a nutter he really is as it would be passed on.

Truth is I won't be telling her about the divorce plans - I can't risk any jeapordising now.

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thenamehaschanged · 15/09/2014 19:17

He once said to me after a particularly awful abusive experience, when it had all calmed down that 'Name, if you want out of this, I won't stand in your way'.

Fucking hell - why couldn't that be true? When he said that he meant the complete opposite.

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ballsballsballs · 15/09/2014 20:12

Thinking of you lovely x

Jux · 15/09/2014 20:40

Name, I too am worried about your solicitor. I really don't get the impression she knows what she's doing when it comes to a man like your stbxh.

Please talk to WA. Also call the police on 101, talk to their dv unit and tell them the papers are being served on Monday, so they can flag your name if you do need to call them. Though I think you'd be better off going into a refuge, I really do.

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 15/09/2014 22:03

And the SS won't 'automatically' be involved, well even if they are it is not going to be in a bad way - honestly, I too think you are getting some dodgy advice. I think the advice to stay in the house is good but I would call the cops at the first sign of aggression and let it all go from there.

Adarajames · 15/09/2014 22:17

Gah! Bloody useless solicitor making it all worse for you! I'm another echoing the call WA advice, they are the experts! And you and your girls safety is the most important thing, all the rest can be sorted later, even if it takes a while.

Outflewtheweb · 15/09/2014 22:22

Still cheering from the sidelines because I can't match the great advice you're getting from the other posters. Totally agree - your solicitor doesn't seem to get it.

Really looking forward to reading very soon that you and your little girls are safe and happy.

Darkesteyes · 15/09/2014 22:23

Im as appalled at the Freedom Programme worker as i am at the solicitor.

Thinking of you and wishing you strength Name Thanks

TracyBarlow · 15/09/2014 22:25

Christ on a bike you don't need to be a solicitor to work out what's going to happen when you serve papers to someone at work and their STBXW is sitting in the marital home that he STILL HAS ACCESS TO just waiting for the bomb to go off....

I'd forget about maintaining your rights to be in the house and money for now and concentrate on getting your family in a safe place.

Zazzles007 · 15/09/2014 23:18

'Name, if you want out of this, I won't stand in your way'.

Fucking hell - why couldn't that be true? When he said that he meant the complete opposite.

You can't trust what he says because he is a controlling, abusive arse. A good, rationale person says what they mean, and means what they say, ie they have integrity and are trustworthy. You can't trust a single thing he says, you are left to second-guess and decipher everything, because his words and actions have no congruency. His words and his actions contradict each other, over and over and over again. Always watch what a person says, and see if their actions back it up - it will tell you whether they are worth trusting or not. He is not worth trusting.

trackrBird · 16/09/2014 01:02

A few quotes on housing from the WA site...

www.womensaid.org.uk/domestic-violence-survivors-handbook.asp?section=000100010008000100320002

"You are considered homeless if you are unable to stay in your home because of a risk of violence or abuse. .... Your local authority (council) housing department has a legal duty to provide you with advice about finding somewhere to live if you are homeless because of domestic violence.....
leaving home temporarily will not affect your right to return, or your tenancy rights or ownership of the home......
You should not be pressured to stay in your own home, or to find alternative private rented accommodation, if you are at all concerned for your safety..."

KateeGee · 16/09/2014 01:08

Name I've been reading both your threads. I am in nothing like your situation but you (and all the wonderful people who have helped you) have really given me strength. I just want to wish you well in this tough time, you are so courageous.

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 16/09/2014 08:45

How friendly are you with the neighbours Name ? Could you arrange a sign and they call the cops? Could you pre-warn them of what is happening so they are looking out for you. If he kicks off and it's not you that calls the police, it would look OK from your point of view but they would make him stay away from you. Agree with others here though, the solicitor is not getting you at all. It should all be much simpler than this in these situations surely?

TimBurgessILoveYourSmile · 16/09/2014 09:58

Hi Name!

Just a quick shout out to Dinnae while I am on, I am keeping everything crossed for you hun, there are some lovely men out there and I am glad you found yours, you are in my thoughts, big, big hugs to you sweetheart...

Hi name, hope you didn't mind that. So Monday sounds all good to go, I echo the concerns of others on here regarding your solicitor, Maybe she underestimates his reaction, perhaps you are better placed to Judge... Either way please above all else keep yourself safe sweetheart, WA will look after you and it may make things more difficult should you go to a refuge, but all the matters sweetheart is that you are safe, because you have come so far and you really do have the strength to make this happen and take it to the right conclusion.... Refuge or not, you will get this sorted because you have been amazing, I have every confidence in your strength, determination / ability to out smart him, to leave him on his arse spinning.... I will keep an eye out, everyone on here is behind you and thinks you are doing fabulous mate, keep on going..... big, big hugs to you xx

thenamehaschanged · 16/09/2014 14:24

Thank you so so much everybody, you are all wonderful Thanks Thanks

Solicitor, yes - she's nice but very prim and proper and so I'm not sure she has a full understanding of abuse. But I've already paid her stuff now and she's involved so I'm going to have to stay with her for now I think.

I'm just back from the Freedom Programme. Was good, I see what they mean about social services and avoiding if you can, but obviously only if you can.

H is well aware something's up. He was all mournful and sorrowful last night and asked if I was going to leave him to which I said no Confused you're going to be the one leaving mate! we sat and watched the oscar pistorious doc last night actually! and h looked uncomfortable when Reevas mother talked about him talking to him on the phone because Reeva had called her, panicking because Oscar was driving like a maniac. I sat there with a stern face the whole way through.

I am so glad that was on. And it also works in my favour that I am out with his mates ex on Saturday.

I was up early with him this morning and dropped him to the station because he injured his knee at football last night - he used this as an opportunity to become controlling about the time I get up in the morning and that I should be up with him early every morning, making plans, writing lists blah blah blah.

I can do this everyone. I'm feeling strong.

I have decided I am going to start 'paving the way' to him receiving the papers - I know how to handle it - Sunday I'm going to tell him I'm very unhappy and there's nothing he can do to fix the past.

Then wham, papers on Monday morning.

Then once I know he has received them I will speak to him on the phone, tell him there's no future, tell him there's no point trying to persuade me otherwise, tell him not to come here for a few days and tell him I will have the front door locked and that if he turns up I will call the police because I do not trust him to be civilised.

I think I will tell the school too that only I am to collect them. I doubt he would turn up at their school because he is all about looking good but he might.

I will tell him that I only want to communicate by email in regards to the kids and that he should get himself a party room again and let me know when he will be collecting his stuff so that I know not to be in.

I will tell him don't even think about trying some oscar pistorious bullshit on me, we're better than that and you really don't want a domestic abuse charge against your name.

I can do this. I can do this - deep breaths Grin!!

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GarlicSeptimus · 16/09/2014 14:30

Oh, WELL DONE, Name! Good plans :) Keep this mindset ... and gather your reinforcements.

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 16/09/2014 15:07

Good stuff, name.

One thing - you may wish to check with your solicitor or the school re plans as I don't think the school can prevent a parent with PR collecting on the say so of the other without a court order or similar.

If this is covered in the papers, ignore me!