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My dad and strange relationship with teenage girl

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Gramparsons · 19/08/2014 20:22

I have name changed for this as it is embarrassing and disturbing and I really don't want to be outed.

In the past few months my dad has befriended a 14 year old girl who lives next door to my brother and nephews. She started tagging along when he was taking them to football training and for dinner after and she now has his number and she calls him to run her here there and everywhere. He thinks this is hilarious. The reaction in the family has gone from eye rolling, to bewilderment and now anger that he will not see sense. My brother used to give her lifts but stopped because people were calling him a pervert.

She phones him up to take her to the takeaway, pick her up from her friends house etc. and a while back he was late meeting me and my mum because she phoned him for a lift into town then when he was going she said 'oh are you not waiting to drop me off home'. She recently called him from a friends house where she had started an argument and she jumped in the car and shouted at him to drive, she rolls down his window and shouts at people, takes his camera to take pictures of herself and he thinks it is all funny.

He is an incredibly stubborn character and says he will not be told what to do. There is nothing going on, nothing wrong. He doesn't care if people are talking about him, he will not change his behaviour for other people. To some extent it's an admirable character trait but for fucks sake, he doesn't get what effect this is having on any body. My mum is embarrassed in case people are talking about her and scared that this girl may accuse my dad of something and it looks pretty much like he is grooming her doesn't it? He is driving her round buying her food (and knowing my dad and how he is generous with his money he will be giving her handouts like he does everybody). He has accused my mum of being jealous, she is angry at the position he is putting her in.

A couple of weeks ago she phoned and asked him to take her to McDonalds and that she had a 'massive favour' to ask him. She wanted him to take her shopping to a city about 3 hours away from us. He has gone today at the crack of dawn. He has now denied she asked, he said she told him she had been arguing with her boyfriend and he said she needed retail therapy. I honestly don't know what is worse. I don't believe there is anything going on, but I am aware it doesn't look that way. She could accuse him so easily. My other brother has said if he is accused of anything he will not be seeing his granddaughter, will not be able to take his grandson's to football. I agree.

My mum is distraught, she says she can barely bring herself to speak to him, she spent last night at my brother's house and had been sleeping in the spare room. I have sent him a text saying I am so angry he is completely disregarding my mum's feelings like this, and he should stop paying for things and see how long it takes her to lose interest. He should be taking his own grandchildren on trips like this, not a pushy hard faced girl he hardly knows. I have a choppy history with him and this is pushing me to the limit. I have had periods of no contact with him but we have grown close since the birth of my first baby.

I don't know what I think is going on. I know he likes to be useful, he goes out of his way to give lifts/run errands for anybody but this is not innocent to me. I don't think she has any interest in him but she is out for what she can get because he is a soft touch. It is making my skin crawl to think about them. I don't know what I want from writing this :((.

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Alicebannedit · 20/08/2014 15:42

OP sorry I haven't read the whole thread yet but my first thought was your dad saying he wouldn't be told what to do - which seems to be exactly what he is doing. He's being told all along the line by this girl who twists it so he thinks he is in control.

Will now go and read whole thread.

Deverethemuzzler · 20/08/2014 15:43

Thank God.
I was beginning to feel I was invisible here.

op if this is real it is a horrible situation for you to be in but you have to stop pretending this is all a bit of innocent cockasnooping at authority.

Jesus the threads on here that scream 'call SS NOW' for anything from a child looking grubby to crying in a supermarket yet so many posters blaming this child and refusing to believe this weird relationship is anything other than a bit unwise.

Seriously, if this was your child would you be so sure the girl was being a hard faced goldigger taking advantage of a foolish man?

Or is it because the picture painted of this girl is one that makes her 'other' and not like your child?

CaptChaos · 20/08/2014 15:43

Alice.... he IS in control, he's an adult ffs, she's a child.

I am really shocked and saddened that people actually think like that.

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AbbieHoffmansAfro · 20/08/2014 15:46

Even if the OP's father is not grooming the girl, his behaviour is inappropriate and not in her best interests. Where's it going in the medium to long term? One way or another, isn't he likely to let her down? He's leaving her even more vulnerable to grooming by other men by encouraging her to be overly trusting and not have good boundaries in place.

Whether or not she is likeable is beside the point. She's 14, uncared for by her own family and needs someone to step in and be a responsible adult. So I really hope the OP does report this to SS.

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Withmyfeetinthesink · 20/08/2014 15:53

OP - you have said you namechanged because this is 'embarrassing'. If it's all genuine, that's the least of your worries. Hopefully you're not commenting now because you're doing something about this.

If it is a real situation, you need to ignore the posters who think teenage girls lure old men who cannot then do anything but succumb.

Fully agree with PP who said that even if this is all fiction (are the creative writing groups still doing the rounds on MN?), it's very handy to see just who thinks hard-faced prison-bait delinquents are asking for it Hmm . . .

Gramparsons · 20/08/2014 15:57

No, unfortunately this is actually happening to me. I don't have the imagination or inclination to dream up such stories. I am a regular poster under other user names (by which I mean I have a user name for commenting on style, AIBU, chat etc. and others I use for relationship problems). I am as far from a troll as you can get.

Withmyfeetinthesink thanks for that, my mum isn't witless. She is also in her 60s and quiet and shy, her mother is very domineering (I have actually posted about this before under another user name) and it has really shaped her character. I don't think no matter how badly my dad has treat her in the past she would ever have considered divorce. It's just not the done thing for her. She has real problems sticking up for herself, but if he has been grooming this girl and we find out he has abused or is abusing her she would absolutely not stick by him.

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kaykayblue · 20/08/2014 15:58

What I think we can ALL agree on here is that this is a fucking mental situation, and the OP's father is being an absolute moron at best and potentially a sexually offender at worst.

The thing is, no-one except this girl and the OP's father will know if any charge brought against him is genuine or not.

And that's the whole point.

Let's not be so naive that we pretend that false accusations simply don't exist. However, let's also not be so horrific as to assume that any accusation made by a girl in this situation would be false, simply because she's a teenager and not a complete angel.

All the blatant disrespect to his wife and family aside, this is one of the biggest issues with the OP's dad's behaviour. He has put himself in a position where even if he was innocent his behaviour and manner towards this girl means that his family - and everyone else - do have cause to doubt him.

That's working on the assumption that he was innocent.

Being totally honest, I don't think for a moment that he is stupid enough not to realise how this looks. Considering how that the OP has said herself that her dad would have considered this sort of "friendship" completely inappropriate when she herself was a child, there is no doubt in my mind he knows exactly what he is doing.

It might have started out as innocent, but I don't think this story is going to have a very nice conclusion for the girl involved.

I'd like to remind everyone that even if this girl takes off all her clothes, straddles the man and tells him she wants no-one else....

SHE IS FOURTEEN AND CAN'T GIVE CONSENT.

Deverethemuzzler · 20/08/2014 15:59

Alice you are seriously telling us that this grown man, a father and a husband, is being told what to do by a child?

So she has special powers not shared by the man's wife and daughter who are also trying to tell him what to do Hmm

What do you think it is that gives her those special powers? Her pert teenage breasts? Her swishy hair and coltish limbs?

For FUCKS sake, think about what you are saying.

AbbieHoffmansAfro · 20/08/2014 16:00

She can give consent, it is just still illegal to have any sexual contact with her even if she does.

Withmyfeetinthesink · 20/08/2014 16:01

But he is abusing her OP, there is no question about that.

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AnyFucker · 20/08/2014 16:03

OP, have you called social Services yet ?

There is no other course of action here.

Either your father is in the early stages of a severe mental health problem or his motives for the relationship she is building with this minor female are dodgy

Either way, they will both get the help they clearly need to end this bizarre and dangerous situation.

Deverethemuzzler · 20/08/2014 16:03

Gramp this is not your or your mother's fault. Those that suggest you and her are not doing enough are just extending their twisted ideas that women are to blame for everything and men are just simple rubes, easily manipulated by us ladies.

I think you should follow the advice given up thread to call childline.

It will help you to put this into perspective. You need good, unbiased advice from specialists.

This thread will lurch from those of us who are appalled at your father's behaviour to those who think the poor man is a victim of a teenage gold digger who is no better than she ought to be.

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ghostisonthecanvas · 20/08/2014 16:15

At best, she was looking for a father figure, someone to show interest, to care. She is vulnerable. At best your father could argue he is just being kind.
With the best will in the world Op, it may have started out with good intentions. What is happening now requires intervention. From the police/social services. Your father hasn't listened to his family. His wife ffs. You have all tried to reason with him. It needs stopped. Now. You need to protect that child.

CaptChaos · 20/08/2014 16:16

Fuck me, this thread is victim blaming bingo.

She's prison-bait

a gold digger

leading him on

she can consent (she can't, at least not according to the law)

He's being lead astray

she's making him do it

HOUSE!

OP, if you don't involve outside agencies, you might be seen as being an accessory to any crimes he's committed. So do it now, before this gets any worse than it already is.

Gramparsons · 20/08/2014 16:19

I have called Social Services and they have given me a triage number. I have tried this but it is busy and asking me to leave a message but I am too teary to do so and will phone back to speak to somebody. My little one is having his nap so I was hoping to get through before he wakes up.

I also have a number for the Stop a It Now helpline, they may be able to contact my local services if I cannot get through or at least offer some advice.

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ghostisonthecanvas · 20/08/2014 16:22

Op you are very brave. You need to be strong now. I hope you get all the help and support you and your family will need.