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Can't work out how I feel about my bizarre relationship (long, sorry)

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snowiswhite · 19/08/2014 14:00

Have changed my name for this post. I don't really know where to start with this, and I fear it could turn out to be far too long, so will try to keep it as concise as possible (which isn't very). Apologies in advance if I leave out too many details.

Me and DP have been together since 2005. We have DD and DS, aged 4 and nearly 3. I fell head over heels for DP very shortly after meeting him: it really seemed we were soul mates, and I was sincerely convinced for many years that it was very, very rare for a couple to love each other as much as we loved each other.

Shortly after meeting DP, I received an email from someone I didn't know, warning me that DP was a liar and that I should check everything. It was a strange email in that there was info in there that could only have come from someone who had been spying on our instant messenger conversations and emails. To cut a long story short, it turned out to be from DP's ex-girlfriend, who somehow had gained access to his emails etc. She had used a fake name to send me the email. All in all, she hadn't given me any reason to believe she was a reliable source of information, and I dismissed her (after an angsty conversation with DP).

Over the next 6.5 years, I could never shake the sense that DP was lying to me - about everything. This seemed so implausible to me at the time - after all, who (outside of a soap opera) would lie about everything? - that I dismissed it, and attributed this feeling to the fact that DP's ex had written me that strange email near the start of our relationship. We went on to live together, to get engaged, and to have DD and DS.

To cut a very long story short(ish), it turned out that he was indeed lying to me about literally everything. The most shocking lie was pretending to be terminally ill for several years starting from around the time DD was conceived in early 2009 - even going as far to get a scar tattooed on. Aside from that, he would lie about our finances (I no longer had a bank account (because he saw to it, I later realised) and he pretended he was wealthy when in fact we were on benefits), his intentions to marry me (he 'made' literally hundreds of appointments for us to have a no-frills reg office wedding, all of which were cancelled due to unforeseen aspects of his 'treatment' - it later emerged that he was still married to his ex wife), and he borrowed £1000s from my family despite having no way of repaying them.

Throughout all this, I suspected him constantly, but dismissed my suspicions for various reasons. Partly it was because the lies simply didn't make sense: I was working on the assumption that if someone lies to you, it's because they stand to gain something by doing so, and as far as I could see, he stood to gain nothing (quite the reverse in many cases). Partly it was because, as mentioned above, I was afraid that I was being unduly influenced by his ex's email. And partly because, when you think the love of your life is dying, you are afraid that your mind is playing tricks on you: of course you would prefer to believe that they have made up their illness, because that would be preferable to them dying, so that is a reason to dismiss your suspicion that they aren't really ill.

So, fast forward to mid-2012. DD is 2.5 and DS is nearly a year old. For nearly 2 years, we have been living rent-free (or, rather, on DP's constant promise of paying rent) in a totally unsuitable and frankly dangerous-for-kids annex of the home of some lovely relatives of mine. I had not gone back to work after DD was born, and spent my days at home, in the middle of nowhere, with no car, no bank account, 2 small kids to look after, while DP goes out every single day for hospital treatment. All I would do with my life, every day, is feed the kids and take them out for walks. Almost every day I am expecting that we are going to have our no-frills wedding, and every time I hope that this time it will go ahead, but DP calls with some reason why it has had to be cancelled. And almost every day I am expecting that today, finally, after a zillion hiccups, our joint bank account will finally be sorted out and we can get access to DP's massive savings and repay my relatives the money we owe them - but this never happens (N.B. I am not mercenary, I didn't care about living the high life, I just wanted a normal life and not to be in debt to my relatives). Writing all this is making my chest constrict, and maybe you can imagine the enormous stress I was under. It was really difficult to cope with all this, but 'knowing' that DP had a far more difficult battle to fight (i.e. his illness) made me feel guilty for worrying about my own troubles.

Anyway, in mid-2012, DP's excuses and stories started to build up to the extent that they become really quite implausible, and DP himself was starting to behave more erratically, presumably with the stress of keeping all the lies going. Even so, it was only after a long conversation with one of my relatives that I started to confront the possibility that DP was lying about his illness. (An aside: by this point, everyone else in my family had worked out he was lying, but they never said anything about it to me. Either they felt awkward about it or they thought I had access to more information to support my belief in him. But the fact that they all seemed to believe him itself made me think he must be telling the truth, and made me feel guilty for doubting him.) I spoke to DP on the phone - he'd gone to the hospital (or rather pretended to) as usual - and I gently asked him if he was really ill, and that maybe the problem was psychological rather than physical. Immediately he admitted it, if 'admitted' is the right term (given that, as I'll explain, he had trouble distinguishing lies from reality) - he said something like, 'yes, maybe you're right'.

From here, it's quite difficult to explain. It has turned out not to be a case of him consciously and maliciously deciding to lie. He genuinely seemed to have come to believe his own lies. I went to the GP with him and he was referred for a mental health assessment, and diagnosed with dissociative disorder, depression, and anxiety. He had large gaps in his memory and seemed not very capable of distinguishing reality from the fantasy he had invented. Over the months and years since (yes, we are still together), it has turned out that some very awful things have happened to him, and that he has been lying about things since childhood as a way to make himself feel better about himself and more important than he believes he is (he basically believes he is worthless). I think that he has been lying so long that lying comes as naturally to him as telling the truth does to the rest of us, and so it is very difficult for him to stop: much of the time, the decision to lie isn't a conscious choice.

He genuinely struggles wiith this and tries his best to get better. He has taken all the help he has been offered in terms of counselling - which isn't very much, and in my non-professional opinion he hasn't been offered the right sort of thing (basically he sees a counsellor and talks about his past, whereas I think he should be having something like CBT that would focus on getting him to stop lying, which is the root of all our problems). When I realised that we were penniless and on benefits, I saw that I would need to go back to work. I am very highly qualified but work in an extremely competitive industry where jobs are hard to come by. We lived in a shitty council flat, on benefits, for a year while I worked every spare waking minute at trying to get back to work, and eventually I did get a job. Last autumn we moved out of the shitty council estate and into a privately rented house in a nicer area.

My family, understandably, want little to do with DP after all this came out. However, whereas people tended to assume that he'd just leave after he'd been rumbled, he has not. While I've been working, he has tirelessly been a full-time dad. He is a wonderful father: far more patient than me, he adores our children and fills their days with fun things: they have planted flowers in the garden together, learned to ride bikes, etc, and he is involved with their pre-school as a committee member. At the same time he keeps our home in order, does all our grocery shopping, cleans and does the washing, etc. His only 'me time' without the kids are a night in the pub once a week with some friends who know nothing about his strange history (he doesn't get drunk, and doesn't drink much in general), and playing sport once a week during the summer. I am not trying to paint a romantic picture of him here - what I am trying to do is make the point that, whilst the lying etc might make it easy to view him as a villain, he has done his utmost to do the right thing since the problem has been identified.

The problem, though, is that he does still lie sometimes. I can't trust him not to. Sometimes he will admit it out of the blue, without me having pressured him to tell the truth, and he will be full of remorse. But sometimes when he lies, I know he is lying, but he won't admit it - and maybe can't admit it. He is not getting the right sort of mental health help to stop this, and we can't afford private treatment at the moment. And I'm left feeling that I'm dealing with it alone ... I don't really discuss it with people, and about a year ago he admitted it to his mum (which was a big deal because his mum has been through hell for various reasons recently, so he'd put off telling her). I was so pleased when he told his mum because I thought I'd have someone to talk to about it, but it hasn't worked out like that. His mum said she just needed time to digest it, then she and I would have a proper talk. But it's never happened. In the year since she found out, she's visited various family members who needed her help with various things, but she still hasn't tried to get to grips with what DP has been doing. And whilst I konw it must be upsetting for her, it also makes me see that maybe this is why DP is the way he is - he certainly doesn't seem high up her list of priorities. I feel like I've just been left holding the baby, so to speak: I'm dealing with it alone.

I never tell anyone about this. When the lies came to light, I had various friends who believed that DP was seriously ill, so I did tell them the truth in order to put them right. I rarely see them and they don't ask me about DP, perhaps understandably (what would they say?!). Everyone else - e.g. people I work with - just thinks we are a normal couple. I feel a bit like I lead a double life.

And now, I don't know whether I want this any more. I'm so tired of it all. I will always love DP, and I think he is a wonderful father, but the head-over-heels aspect of my feelings for him have gone, and I don't know if they'll come back. It's like the person I loved never existed, and whilst in the early days I was desperate to get that person back, I've sort of given up now. I know he still lies, and I really don't want it to be my problem any more - I don't want to live like this, with the stress of not being able to trust him. But, at the same time, I sort of can't imagine life without him. The children adore him. I care deeply for him and want to help him get better - I think he deserves to get better, he certainly struggles so hard with everything. I don't know what I want.

Complicating my feelings is the thought that, even if I did want out, I don't know how to get out. We live in a very expensive part of the country, and if we broke up we would have to pay for 2 households on my salary. I'm nearly 40, and hoping to buy a house in a year, otherwise I'll be too old to get a mortgage. DP could work, but we'd have to pay for childcare in that case, so wouldn't necessarily be better off. DP has occasionally said that we're not a normal couple and that if I want he will move out and find somewhere alone (presumably a crappy council bedsit), but still come over every day and look after the children. This itself breaks my heart ... his self-esteem is so low that it wouldn't even enter his head to fight for the children to live with him. He believes he deserves so little.

I have sort of lost track of what I was even wanting to ask with this post. I guess I just want to tell someone my story so that maybe, in the discussion that follows (if anyone has read this far!) I might get some clarity to my feelings.

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lemonpuffbiscuit · 29/10/2014 09:49

once you are ready

shhChangingDirection · 29/10/2014 09:56

My neighbour had a very similar story with her niece. Her Dn's boyfriend was 'big in the film industry' and had a massive film about to start with a very famous director. Auditions were held, the lot.

The family, though they liked him initially, felt something was really off about him but DN wouldn't listen. It didn't help that she was 18 and he was around 40. The aunt and uncle were going through a hideous divorce and DN went away for a gap year, which he was meant to take her on but couldn't leave due to some unforeseen circumstance. He then started to cosy up to her 16 year sister so DN's mum became really suspicious of him and, one night, broke into his house when he was away 'on a film recce' and found copies of fake ids and different bank accounts. He then apparently 'saw them on his web cam' from China (actually had been in the house!).

They went to the police and he turned out to be a massive fraudster and fantasist.

It was utterly hideous for the family. The DNs were already vulnerable and he targetted them. He went to prison.

I have to say we were all agog!

JumpAndTwist · 29/10/2014 11:37

Ok, it is just not feasible for you to make any changes. You have asked for help with practicalities. You have some options, none of them pleasant. Here goes...

Can't afford childcare on your wages:
A) quit your job, live on benefits.
B) move to a better paid job.
C) allow a severely mentally ill person who lies and manipulates have your children alone for 12 hours a day.

Your landlord doesn't want you to have a paid nanny/au-pair/ childminder in the house without you.
A) speak to the landlord, explain that the dad is severely mentally ill, explain that you either have to have professional childcare in the home or you will have to quit your job and then you won't be able to afford the rent. See what he says.
B) Give notice, move elsewhere.
C) allow a severely mentally ill person who lies and manipulates have your children alone for 12 hours a day.

You want to move out of your flat but the area most convenient to live is very expensive.
A) find a cheap shitty house that is aimed at students or similar. Move into said shitty accommodation (I went to uni in THE most expensive part of the UK, neighbours had Bentleys, we had disgusting carpets with odd stains and appalling plumbing: cheap housing exists even in the most expensive areas).
B) allow a severely mentally ill person who lies and manipulates have your children alone for 12 hours a day.

Your partner is a severely mentally ill person who lies and manipulates and magically appears with money from unknown sources at regular intervals despite not working. He gets involved with fundraising.
A) immediately inform the treasurer that he is a severely mentally ill person who lies and manipulates and in the past had turned up with money from unknown sources. Let the treasurer decide how to proceed.
B) Keep his mental health problems a secret. Tell people how great he is at fundraising. If they know he is a liar, tell them that this is the one area in which he is completely honest. Start getting involved yourself to keep an eye on him, just in case.
C) You both go to prison. Children go into the care system.
D) he goes to prison. You have to manage without the free childcare.

Your children spend 12hrs a day in the sole care of a severely mentally ill person who lies and manipulates constantly.
A) Do not let him be in sole care of the children. Even if that means living in a shit hole on benefits.
B) Tell as many people as possible about his problems. Ask them to please please please keep an eye on them all and let you know immediately of any "off" behaviour no matter how trivial.
C) keep his mental health problems a secret. You wouldn't want anyone who knows the children to know they live in such circumstances. People would judge.

Harsh? My DM has a personality disorder. Less severe than your DPs. My siblings and I have all needed counselling. The thing that hurts most is that my DF left us with her all day everyday. He couldn't have managed without a SAHM he says. He says she was a good mother. He says we were always happy, did well at school and never complained about her.

She lied about everything and made us believe we were in the wrong. Later I learned the term "gas lighting". It is insidious. Children don't understand what is being done to them. They quickly learn that any complaint about the abusive parent will be turned around on them. That the only way to survive is to suck up to the abuser.

He has mentally abused you, his mother, his niece and countless others. But is perfectly normal and lovely with his children. Of course he is.

How will you explain this to social services when it all comes out when he is eventually done for fraud?

Look. He is abusive. Read "Why does he do that?". Get yourself on the Freedom programme.

Actions speak louder than words.

You can tell your children you love them, that they are the most important people in the world to you. One day they will make a mental checklist like the one above and know what you chose, probably in the comfort of a therapist's office. They won't believe you love them. Because actions speak louder than words.

They are young. You have a chance to DO something. ACTIONS that remove you and them from him.

I am hiding this thread again. You are too much like my DF. I hope you find it in yourself to act to protect your children instead of your abuser.

Fuzzyfelt123 · 29/10/2014 13:42

What an incredibly powerful post, JumpAndTwist. Sorry you have suffered though.
OP - please, please listen to the advice you've received on this thread. Everyone is in agreement and we can't all be wrong!
Earlier up thread you said you had to support him if he was 'mad' not 'bad'. Now you know he's just 'bad', you must get away. Your children won't thank you for trying to make things work with him, only for saving them from him as Jump articulates so well, above. All the very best to you OP, you sound lovely and your children are lucky up have you. x

Pandora37 · 29/10/2014 13:53

I'm really alarmed that you've been helping him with this fundraising. That is a disaster waiting to happen and I'd hate for you to be implicated in his criminal activities (if there are any). I know you desperately want to see the good in him, but he has form for lying to you about money, he just can't be trusted. If you don't want to dob him in to the treasurer then at the very least please stop helping him. If he's such a fantastic fundraiser as you say, then he doesn't need your help.

blanketyblank100 · 29/10/2014 13:54

OP, I'm glad you're out of this dreadful relationship.

You have a responsibility to make the school aware that exDP is a compulsive liar. You really do. You cannot police his every move by yourself. Charitable donations are involved, not to mention access to children. You know your DP, but there are many aspects to his personality that you're only discovering for yourself - e.g., he has been lying even when you thought he was making progress. What else don't you know? You sound like a sensible person whose perspective has become distorted as a result of being in this position for so long. Don't collude.

You say that you want your children to know you did everything to stay with their dad, that he's a great primary caregiver and that it's both impractical and unfair to substitute him as primary caregiver. A few points to make to this:

How do you know that, when grown up and with children of their own, having been through who knows what as a result of their father's lies, your children are not going to be horrified that you allowed them to be mainly cared for by someone with serious personality disturbances? Doesn't it seem likely that they'll react in the same way that posters here have done - with disbelief? Especially if, God forbid, they are dealing with related emotional problems in their own lives? I would certainly be deeply hurt and resentful if I discovered that my mother had separated from my father to protect her own emotional health but had continued to use him as a primary carer, especially if she wasn't clear in her own mind about the nature of his problems. Quite honestly, I would expect supervised visits.

I'm afraid it does seem likely to me that your children will also respond with disbelief to your explanation that this is the only practical course of action as a result of your job and the high cost of childcare. I truly understand it would be very difficult to set up alternative childcare, but please consider how many women are fleeing abusive relationships or who are simply single parents coping alone. It's hard, but manageable, and your children will know this. You could move closer to work, for a start. Perhaps it wouldn't be possible to take responsibility for your children and get a mortgage in the time frame you like...but it seems like a question of priorities, rather than alternative childcare being genuinely impossible. Since your exDP is incapable of taking responsibility for the big picture in any relationship, looking at the long-term emotional implications of all these decisions is purely down to you. With respect, that comes before finance, convenience and yes, even career paths. Perhaps a different case could be made when it looked like genuine progress was a real possibility for exDP. Now you know that isn't the case, I can't see how it's justifiable, in any possible world..

Your feeling that changing primary caregiver is 'unfair' to your exDP comes across as bizarre. Having children is not about the parents, it's about the children. Sounds like you have three children and one of them is caring for the other two. That's not fair. Yes, this is a tragic situation but you have now had professional inform you that this man makes choices - (and even if he was wrong, it wouldn't be justifiable to make a decision based upon his happiness.) You have given him so many chances. At what point does all this stop being about him?

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 29/10/2014 14:00

JumpandTwist's post is brilliant. Please, please read and absorb what she has to say, snow.

Pandora37 · 29/10/2014 14:15

I've just thought, you haven't mentioned your family much in all of this. I know they live a long way away and you say they didn't want much to do with your ex, but did they ever say anything about you staying with him? Have you spoken to them about recent events? I may be wrong but it sounds like they'd want to support you.

Canyouforgiveher · 29/10/2014 14:18

Agree with all of the others. you need to protect yourself and your children.

You should google Clark Rockefeller.

MerryMarigold · 29/10/2014 14:43

I think what strikes me is how much you accept from him, whilst claiming you are not under his spell.

A Jag, that comes from God knows where.
Money, that comes from God knows where.

Speaking as someone who is not in an abusive relationship, I think you need to get paperwork, probably from different sources and face to face validation from another person of everything. Knowing how he has lied to you in the past, he needs to accept that you require this, whenever you ask. If he cannot provide this evidence, you need to have nothing to do with these things.

You need to break away from the emotional side of things to see more clearly about everything (this includes the children), and you haven't yet. This needs to be a priority.

IndianBlueGlass · 29/10/2014 15:57

I have some professional experiences of dealing with clients with difficulties similar to some of those that your dp exhibits, and I have to say that the evidence for effective treatment is quite limited. While he might well have some anxiety and depression, I think the diagnostic framework is more complex than that. Dissociation is more a descriptive psychopathology than a diagnosis per se, and your account would more point to him suffering from factitious disorder.

Medical literature is fairly pessimistic and generally states that factitious disorder is ‘incurable’. That said, it sounds as though your patient love and care has enabled him to develop significant insight and really make changes in his behaviour. In all honesty, I suspect that the role of mental health services will be somewhat limited. Clearly, psychotherapy would be the treatment of choice, but the reality is that there are many limitations on how therapy can be affective. It relies on the sufferer really wanting to engage and also relies on total honesty from the client. There is little stopping the client bringing fanciful accounts of the truth into sessions, and the therapist is obviously bound by the standard rules of therapy, vis a vis, unconditional positive regard, an acceptance of the client’s version of the truth, and strict confidentiality. This puts the therapist in an impossible position. They might well not believe the client’s account of things but is not in a position to ascertain the truth, or even really challenge their version of events.

Mental health services might be able to help with his anxiety/depression to some extent, but I suspect will have little success with his more complex personality problems that underpin his lying behaviour. Generally, little is offered for factitious disorder as the success rate is so low, and the therapeutic relationship is so fraught with difficulties.

Ultimately, I think that you need to accept that he might have changed as much as he is able, and you have to decide how much more you are willing to do for him. I have not had the time to read through all the responses on the board, but expect that many posters have urged you to detach from him. It sounds as though you are not at a point in your life when you want to do this (and clearly it’s a massive decision) but you might decide that you do not want to be his counsellor/ mother figure for the rest of your life. I was struck with how little you have got out of the relationship over the years, and how stressful it has been for you. I think you should prioritise the needs of your children and yourself from now on, and at some point consider an exit plan.

snowiswhite · 29/10/2014 16:20

Thank you, yet again, for continued fantastic responses. I really do appreciate them all, especially those who have taken the time to offer expert advice or share their own experiences.

I have contacted both school and pre-school to arrange to discuss ex-P confidentially with staff. Not just regarding the fundraising issue (incidentally, when I said I was helping him, I just mean I was doing photocopying, drafting letters etc, not handling money) but also to make them aware of the situation so that they know to let me know about anything concerning and also that they know that what they tell ex-P may not necessarily get back to me.

Re people's advice about how to resolve other practical issues, I'm still thinking about how best to do this. I just moved to a new house and started a new tenancy. I'm not moving. Ex-P will have to move out, although how we manage this is yet to be decided. No way am I giving up my job! Two months ago I started a new job and successfully negotiated a pretty big pay rise. I'll get another pay rise in under a year, and in a couple of years I'll be in a good position to get something similar in a more affordable part of the country. I think hanging on for a year or so with ex-P doing the childcare will be better for the children in the long run than going on benefits and living in a shit hole. I've been there and done that, less than 2 years ago.

I've told a few people at work about this situation and will keep telling more and more people - I'm not viewing this as a secret any more. I had been thinking thta keeping quiet about it would be best for the children, but (mainly thanks to the different perspectives on this thread) I see that having it out in the open might be the best way to protect them.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 29/10/2014 16:26

OP - why did you move recently to a new house so far from your work?

theonlygothinthevillage · 29/10/2014 16:34

Funky I had to move because my previous landlord sold the house. I moved near by because DD had just started school and DS is due to start next year (and he currently goes to the pre-school attached to DD's school). I can't afford to live near where I work, it is such an expensive part of the country (Surrey).

GarlicGhoul · 29/10/2014 16:39

Can I just check that your landlord specifically told you he won't accept a minder/au pair in the house, to your face?

snowiswhite · 29/10/2014 17:03

Garlic the letting agent said the landlord wasn't sure about children living in the house, and got me to agree that I wouldn't use childcare at the house before agreeing to rent to me.

That it's possible in this country for a landlord to decide how a tenant looks after her children in her own home is fucking outrageous, of course ...

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blueVW · 29/10/2014 17:11

In reality the landlord won't know if you have a nanny or au pair there , you only have the letting agent's word that ll would not want that.

You also have to have notice of any visits by the ll or agent.

I would just go ahead and kick your partner out and arrange childcare with someone you can trust. It really, really is wrong to continue letting him bring up the children - he is NOT a great dad.

FunkyBoldRibena · 29/10/2014 17:30

Is the line about childcare/au pair in writing in your lease? I have never ever heard this before. Did the letting agent tell YOU this, as opposed to telling your husband?

snowiswhite · 29/10/2014 17:50

Okay, you people are making me think twice about the au pair thing, I'm going to look into it. And yes, it was me (not ex-P) dealing with the letting agent.

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mamadoc · 29/10/2014 17:50

Are you are planning to ask him to move out and visit your house on a daily basis to do childcare?

One problem I foresee with this is how it looks in the future. You really do not want him to have any case for residency. He could argue that he should continue to be their full time carer as he has done so far. If you argued he was unfit because of mental illness he could say that he has no diagnosis, its your word against his (his family won't back you) and you hadn't minded up to now.

If they're at school and nursery then wrap around care with a childminder would be your cheapest option. 8am start will be OK, 8pm finish probably not. Maybe you can negotiate with work to leave early and do some remote working from home. Investigate tax credits, childcare vouchers, housing benefit and whatever else you think you can get. At the start of the thread you worried about supporting 2 households. I hope you see now that you owe him nothing. He will have to fend for himself; claim benefits, get a job, move back with his mum. Not your problem.

I also need to say that you shaking his tree like this by asking him to move out will likely cause a big reaction. He will not want his house of cards to come falling down and to risk the public shame of you being open about his lies. I strongly suspect he will try to harm himself. There is a small but serious possibility he would harm the children. I am not trying to be alarmist. I really feel that I ought to say it.

You have said yourself that you are scared of him sometimes and how he will react. You have tiptoed around for years trying not to upset him and if you change your behaviour you may get a nasty reaction. I think you should be careful. I really think that now you have decided that you will leave you should not talk to him or anyone else about it but just quietly make plans that don't involve him. Ideally move a good long way away and keep contact to bare minimum.

You will feel cruel to do this but if others in your life knew everything you've written here they would support you all the way. Can you tell your family?

Ziglinda · 29/10/2014 18:01

Just wanted to give my support. Snow, it sounds like you are doing incredibly well in a very difficult situation. I've had some experience dealing with a liar and manipulator and I know how difficult it is.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 29/10/2014 18:01

I'm wondering if the landlord meant you needed to confirm you won't be running a child-minding service from the premises...that you are not an au pair or nanny that would bring lots of children around? I've heard of this scenario before but not the thing you suggest where a nanny/au pair isn't allowed to come into the property. Confused How is that much different to the children being there with you?

I've avoided saying the things that mama said because I don't want to scare you into backing out from leaving your DP, however, you do need to think about those scenarios very carefully. I would also, if you can, bring your work into this...maybe a manager or someone you can confide in? They need to know you're facing difficulty at home that is NOT your fault but that you might need some support in coming up with a plan. It all depends on your work relationships, obviously.

Limer · 29/10/2014 18:04

You started a new job 2 months ago, and also just moved to a new house - but these two things are 60 miles apart??? Why decide to live so far from work?

You can cancel your tenancy early with no penalty if new tenants can be found, might that be possible? Friend of mine did this last year.

HowDidThatWorkOut · 29/10/2014 18:38

OP, you are doing a brilliant job of listening to everyone's advice. Finishing your relationship is a huge,huge deal so don't feel like you have to rush anything. Your mind must be in overdrive. I hope you are looking after yourself.

MamaDoc you give really good advice. Thanks.

joanofarchitrave · 29/10/2014 19:33

I would second asking your family for help, is that an option?

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