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Help me deal with this woman!

139 replies

Sabellassweatyforehead · 16/08/2014 15:52

It's pointless going into the past details, but this is just concerning a woman in my family who I am having a really hard time with. There are certain things she does that I need your help with how to react to her when she does them. They are things like:

  • ignores me when she enters the room but acknowledges everyone else in the room excitedly
  • despite being married herself (but very insecure in her marriage) frequently takes my DH off to do activities together like climbing and rowing while we are on holiday. I am pregnant so cannot do these things at the moment and hubby likes them and likes that he can do them with someone while I get a rest. But she is extremely giggly and flirtatious with him, takes lots of pictures of them together and posts them on FB. She also gets DH to help her do activities and care for her kids (her husband avoids her and is rarely around or available) so much so that I feel sometimes like I am watching a family together - husband, wife and children - even though he is my husband.
  • my DH got dressed up in a wetsuit to go surfing and looked really funny, so I said I wanted to take a picture. As I was lining him up against the background, i heard a voice from behind me "oh (her private nickname for him) you look so funny, let me take a picture!" with that she pushed (literally) past me, whipped out her camera phone and stood in front of me and took the picture! As if he was her husband!
  • She changes every single conversation to be about her
  • when I am with my friends she is incredibly nice to them and overly intimate. She met my best friend for the first time two weeks ago and said she liked her nail polish and could she (my BF) please paint her toenails for her in the bathroom. My friend, surprised, but wanting to be polite, agreed. She then took my BF into the bathroom and locked the door and left me standing outside where she talked and laughed very loudly with her. Afterwards my BF said it was very strange!
  • if she cannot get a foot hold in a group conversation or if attention is being directed towards me, she creates a diversion with her kids. Say I am talking about something to the group, in the middle of me talking she will interrupt and say loudly to my DH "please can you take DS3 to the bathroom because he said a minute ago he wants to go." My DH gets up, people shunt around in their chairs, and she uses the distraction to forget what I was saying and talk about herself again.
  • she is so dominant. Her voice is very loud and shrill and when she is around I can hear her everywhere. As I am resting a lot with this pregnancy, I can often hear her outside my bedroom announcing to people that she can't believe how long I have been sleeping for and she hopes that nothing is wrong with me, in this sing-songy voice. My traction is usually moody, or to stay in bed longer rather than have to leave the room and face the "attitude" towards my resting that she has set up with the rest of the family

What IS this? And how can I combat it? It is so subtle and subversive and she is so incredibly charming to everyone else that nobody really sees what's going on. I can't exactly say "stop trying to take the photo I was going to take." Or "please don't ask my DH for help with your DCs." Or "why do you say hello to everyone and not to me when you come into the room?" That just feels pathetic and like I care too much. But how do I get a foothold?

OP posts:
pictish · 16/08/2014 17:30

I wouldn't bother with the whole kissing, sitting his lap and putting his hand on your pregnant stomach business - that's kind of pathetic.

You don't need to put on a display because your marriage is intrinsically sound and you're not that insecure as to feel compelled to prove it...right?

Tell your dh how it makes you feel - he is the the person to deflate her hopes, not you.

ZenGardener · 16/08/2014 17:31

I also had an experience with a woman making a play for DH. He was telling me a story she had emailed him once so I just asked him point blank why she was emailing him all the time and didn't he find it strange. He thought about it and decided there was something off about it so distanced himself from her. I think you need to do the same, just talk to you husband about how you think she has a crush on him. Leave the ball in his court. I also really wouldn't play the jealous wife rubbing your tummy and fawning over him. You will look ridiculous.

chinamoon · 16/08/2014 17:34

Hissy's post is good. I think being that direct can help stop her vile behaviour. She's obviously insanely jealous of you and thinks she netted the wrong brother.

Btw, I read a wonderful story once of a woman who was all over another woman's husband, so she befriended her and kept mentioning things her husband found attractive, only she was really feeding he other woman details of things he found repulsive. When the OW kept doing stuff that annoyed him he got so wound up by her and kept his distance. It's a ploy worth trying. What does DH absolutely hate in terms of perfume, clothes, music, food etc? You could have fun getting her all wound up trying to lure him.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 16/08/2014 17:40

You need to have a calm and honest converstaion with your DH about this woman's inappropriate behaviour. You need to pick one or two of the most obvious examples and you need to show him her Facebook page. Then you need to point out how bad she's making him look for putting up with it. Her lak of boundaies is making him look like a bit of an arse and it's upsetting for you.

You need to plan a way forward around how you are both going to deal with it together because it is not your problem alone.

CeliaFate · 16/08/2014 17:43

Or tag yourself in the photos of dh and her and add a comment "My gorgeous hubby, can't wait till we have our baby." She'll be seething but can't say anything.

AppleAndMelon · 16/08/2014 17:43

Wow. You have to talk to your husband about this. Once he notices the little things she is doing too he may be able to come up with an alternative way of dealing with her. It's not his responsibility SIL'S marriage is bad.

pictish · 16/08/2014 17:45

Or tag yourself in the photos of dh and her and add a comment "My gorgeous hubby, can't wait till we have our baby." She'll be seething but can't say anything.

No. Too obvious. OP would just look jealous and insecure.

LizLimone · 16/08/2014 17:46

Your DH is the one at fault here. It's really not on that he is off with this cow person doing things that you can't do right now because you're pregnant. He should just turn her down when she suggests these things. It's inappropriate and not fair to you. I can't even imagine my DH going off with another woman to go e.g. sailing (sth he loves to do) while I am pregnant!

He should keep his distance from her as she sounds toxic.

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 16/08/2014 17:51

What an awful woman Shock, tell dh how you feel and everythingHissy said.

I think I may have strangled her by now if I was in your position.

badbaldingballerina123 · 16/08/2014 17:52

I would approach this from the perspective that watching him be sil skivvy isn't very attractive and makes him look weak and pathetic. I'd be very clear about this.As for this he likes being a man in their life , how would he like it if you started playing wife to some other man , toileting his kids and playing happy family's with him ?

I think he knows full well what's going on and loves the approval and attention from sil. It's just not normal. What does pil say about this ?

pictish · 16/08/2014 17:55

As for this he likes being a man in their life , how would he like it if you started playing wife to some other man , toileting his kids and playing happy families with him?

Absolutely. He's playing the innocent, but he's getting a buzz out of it. If the roles were reversed, he wouldn't like it one little bit.

sweetnessandlite · 16/08/2014 17:58

I think he knows full well what's going on and loves the approval and attention from sil.

I agree with this, to a certain extent.
I know my husband fell for another woman's flattery (bordering on EA - that had the potential to turn physical), when I was pregnant.
I'd previously had a miscarriage and had terrible morning sickness to boot (so we hadn't been exactly 'close' for a couple of months Blush,) I think these combinations meant he was at risk - he was 'ripe' for falling for flattery!

I actually think that there's a certain type of woman that picks up on these subtle signs in a marriage and will see it as a weak 'opening' to be taken advantage of.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 16/08/2014 18:02

So what have you decided to do about the sitaution Sabella?

Whocansay · 16/08/2014 18:18

I'd be very interested to hear what your BIL thinks of all this. I wonder if it's why you don't see much of him? I imagine your dh is threatening his relationship with his brother by ignoring this.

badbaldingballerina123 · 16/08/2014 18:26

It sounds like he's prone to flattery , so much so that he's willing to degrade himself and disrespect you to get it. A healthy man with healthy self esteem wouldn't cater to this shit and would put her in her place. Don't we all meet people who flatter us ? We don't drop to our knees and become their skivvy. If they're inappropriate we put them in their place. Wtf will your kids think when they see dad kissing aunties arse , and auntie being a bitch to you ?

Considering this is the second time he's effectively lapped up attention from other women at your expense it's time for you to put your foot down. You cannot afford to be married to a weak man who needs ego kibble from other women. This is a slippery slope.

It may sound extreme but I'd tell him in no uncertain terms he looks a sap and to get his balls out of sil purse.I'd query why he even likes this nasty piece of work as it seems his own brother can't stand her. I'd state there is to be no more fucking off on activity with bitch sil , no more letting her disrespect you and no more playing daddy to her kids. I'd say he's a laughing stock and other men probably laugh at him. He knows full well what he's doing , and also what sil is doing to you. Why should you suffer because he's a sap ?

I'd also have limited contact with sil . If he couldn't respect my feelings about this I'd tell him I will therefore rethink the marriage , and I'd mean it. This sort of disloyalty is not tolerable.

Is he a nice guy Op ? Does he do everything for everybody? Does he have trouble speaking up for himself ?

sweetnessandlite · 16/08/2014 18:29

Op - show him your original post.
And THEN make him read badbaldingballerina's post.
I think she explains exactly what he needs to know!

Anotheronesoon · 16/08/2014 18:38

I might act really friendly to her and say " poor dh is knackered at the mo - looking after me being pregnant and of course as usual helping all the waifs and strays- he's worried about you and your husband- are things any better?" Make out that he is helping her out of pity!

pictish · 16/08/2014 18:42

No - don't presume to speak for him. You could end up looking really foolish doing that.

hamptoncourt · 16/08/2014 18:45

Just avoid her in future. No family holidays with her for starters. Tell DH NO, she is rude to you and makes you feel uncomfortable so you won't be bothering with her any more.

Time to make a stand OP, this woman is pissing all over you.

rollonthesummer · 16/08/2014 18:51

Do you live together?

It sounds like she either fancies your husband more than her own or they're having an affair.

drivenbyyou · 16/08/2014 18:54

I'm with baldingballerina - I couldn't be arsed with this.

Words would be had with DH (he's looking like a nob, being ordered around by SIL) and she would be told to fuck right off. And I wouldn't be blaming it on pregnancy hormones either.

Doesn't sound like she'd take any notice of the PA/sarcastic/subtle approaches and you need to speak up. Other people have probably already noticed and are wondering what's going on anyway...

cithkadston · 16/08/2014 18:57

I agree with drivenbyyou

If my DH carried on being taken in by this woman then I would seriously leave him!

She sounds awful

CeliaFate · 16/08/2014 18:59

Considering this is the second time he's effectively lapped up attention from other women at your expense it's time for you to put your foot down.

Have I missed something, or is this referring to another post?

badbaldingballerina123 · 16/08/2014 19:01

I'd rip her a new one. Being nice to normal people usually works. Being nice to dysfunctional people simply reinforces their idea that they can treat you like shit and you'll still be nice. It sounds like she's promoted herself to alpha female of the family / group. She also treated your friend like a skivvy by basically ordering her to serve her , ie paint her toe nails like she's some sort of fucking queen.

The answer is to out alpha her , don't suck up . While I know she's domineering don't be fooled , it's NOT confidence , it's anything but. Bitch her out. Ignore her. Make bitch comments about where is bil , put her down . Treat her like she treats you. Turn your husband into YOUR skivvy when she's around. I would be queen bitch.

Startingoveragain33 · 16/08/2014 19:02

No fucking way would I let this happen. I would be telling DH exactly what I thought and what I expected him to do. I would also be telling SIL to get her own husband to her kids to the toilet/activities etc. If your BIL and SIL are having problems, it shouldn't stop him being a dad.