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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships 30

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CharlotteCollins · 10/08/2014 21:39

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
sugarcoatedthorns · 21/01/2015 22:40

i would keep yourself a bowl plate and cutlery clean and leave the rest. You don't have to clear up after anyone else, just you so that you have clean to eat from tomorrow.

I would really would refuse to do anything for him, and exclude him from meals if he thinks you are there to clear up everything after yourself your DC and him, without him contributing to even helping with the DC.

It sounds horrible stuck place.

I would draw the gridlines as a separated couple if you think you can? Nothing more to do with him, rota for cleaning and so on, like house 'mates' (ha!) just co-habiting tenants, sharing the same space. If he's abusive in front of the DC he's on thin ice when it comes to CS and police. Don't forget you can report anonymously.

I would say its probably par for them, won't budge, won't see that you are raising a family alone and just stick their necks out for themselves to be sitting tenants without anything to offer, even their DC.

I hope you can feel relieved at least at having said that its over (although i'm sure he wont' believe you).

take care

MadiSontRoy45 · 22/01/2015 07:57

My names not on the house he bought it would I have any rites to stay there?i should go for legal advice with working just have no time,he won't leave like that living separately he would try make my life he'll instead I'm gonna tell him to buy he's own food from now on.

MadiSontRoy45 · 22/01/2015 11:28

I'm starting to question myself am I a bad mother for working while my mam minds them I've a good job and don't wanna give it up!

sugarcoatedthorns · 22/01/2015 18:39

goodness ! working doesn't make you a bad mother. Working can keep you sane and bring lots of benefits to your DC, i really know that! and its lovely that they can have gran around for them during that time.

He's an abusive father, and it might be worth you finding out your rights as the mother in his house, bearing in mind its the family/DC home. Do you have any EAP at your work? you could set up a meeting or phone call during a lunch break with them?

Also.. you're really going to need that good job when alone and the DC solely dependent upon you; just because its often the case that shit fathers refuse to pay maintenance for the support of their DC, or they wriggle out of it by changing the way they work or even leaving work!

Good work on the him feeding himself front. He can have his own dishes if he can't even contribute to keeping the families dishes clean.

sugarcoatedthorns · 22/01/2015 18:40

certainly if he starts throwing things around, he can be forcibly ejected by the police because he is a danger to you all.

MadiSontRoy45 · 22/01/2015 19:33

Ye he said to me tonite I'm leaving work and gonna take redundancy he's job is offering it at moment but I don't believe he would take it and il be paying him maintenance is this possible?whats Eap?

sugarcoatedthorns · 22/01/2015 23:44

employee assistance programme - many companies have them and they have counsellors and advisers, including legal and financial available completely confidential paid for by the employer.

well there you go.. wriggling already!!

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 08:01

What did he mean that il be paying him maintenance is that possible?

sugarcoatedthorns · 23/01/2015 09:17

if he doesn't have a job and thinks he will get residency and stop your mother doing the day care, then you would have to pay him maintenance for bringing up the DC.

However, thats not going to happen. This is why you need to protect you all from his abuse, and retrospectively log whats been happening to you all.

FW's will find the thing that hurts you the deepest to keep control of you, well that would be the DC, and he thinks 'money' too, because they grip tenaciously to that form of control, so him paying you maintenance for the DC, to him means he is just givng you money to go buy yourself lovelies, and he will NOT have that happen!

He doesn't think that his DC actually need that money to eat, stay warm, have school uniform, some toys... all of that stuff is free as we all know Grin

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 11:05

Even if I was paying rent on a new property?he wouldn't put he's name on last two kids birth cert?do you mean he would take the kids of me and I wouldn't have them?

sugarcoatedthorns · 23/01/2015 15:26

i'm not sure it depends on what you are paying out, but where the DC reside, but the court would have no reason to give residency to him, especially as he's not even on the birth certs.

He cannot just 'take' the kids off you, he would have to take you to court and present a pretty strong case against you! What i'm saying is that FW's can try anything they think they can get away with.

ponygirlcurtis · 23/01/2015 15:27

Madi I think sugar means that this is what he could threaten to do - that if he had residence of the children then you could pay him maintenance. It's a fairly standard threat by FWs - I would say that the majority of people on here have had their FW say to them some variation of 'You can leave but the kids are staying' or 'I'm going to take you to court and get custody'. A lot of hot air, mostly. He's just trying to scare you. Everything he says is to scare you into staying.

And are you saying that his name is not on two of the children's birth certificate as their father? He's not got a leg to stand on, residence-wise (which is what they call custody nowadays). It's scare tactics. Can you get a free half-hour with a solicitor, preferably one recommended by your local Women's Aid?

sugarcoatedthorns · 23/01/2015 15:38

just reread what i've written.. need to write it again more clearly that i don't think what you pay out on rental comes into it, but i don't know.

It is unlikely from the experiences i've and others i know have had of courts that your DC would ever be taken from you without some very serious allegations! Is that what you mean Mdi

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 17:15

He dosent want kids full time or to have them living with him he's no patience for kids he said that if he left work that I'd have to pay him maintenance?

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 17:19

He wouldn't put he's name on birth cert because he didn't want the bank to know or the state that I was living there. Cos he's fighting a case bout he's mortgage saying he can't make full repayments and he has made up all these outgoing to the bank that are lies he's saying he gives me 500 a month maintenance for he's daughter and he's on he's own and he swore that he wasn't co habiting with anyone he was on he's own struggling to try get them reduce it for him.

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 17:30

He went to commissioner of oaths and swore that everything was correct and had to sign a non disclosure form?

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 17:37

So I got nasty and said il tell the bank you frauding them if you wanna get nasty and then today nothing but sorry texts!

sugarcoatedthorns · 23/01/2015 18:10

He's into serious fraud Madi - very scarey. I hope you haven't had to sign anything? but yes you really could drop him right in it, it sounds likely you could be homeless anytime soon anyway!

sounds like you might have the upper hand in this now? I do hope so? Get things done your way or he's on his own.

would he suspect you are on here or be tracking your on-line activity at all? Just aware you have posted some quite identifying things... Keep safe xx

ponygirlcurtis · 23/01/2015 18:34

Ah Madi, he's definitely just trying to scare you then. You wouldn't have to pay him maintenance. but if he gave up work, he might not have to pay you much (or any) child maintenance.

As for not putting his name on the birth certificate because of bank reasons - that's nonsense as well, as far as I know.

I wouldn't bandy around threats to him too vocally though - it will just make him get nastier with you. Just know that you have that leverage, should you need it. Can you copy vital documents safely etc, and get them to a safe place, along with with any vital docs you need (passport etc)?

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 18:36

I was just thinking that myself,could I get into trouble for writing that up?

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 19:11

Can I delete them posts?

sugarcoatedthorns · 23/01/2015 19:26

any that you are concerned about Madi yes, easily, just click on the 'report' at the top right of each message you want to remove.

If he's not on the birth certificates there is very little he can do i would think

MadiSontRoy45 · 23/01/2015 19:45

You can't delete them straight away?

AliceinWinterWonderland · 23/01/2015 20:06

Madi Talk to a solicitor. If you don't have money for it - here's a number to ring.... 0808 8020 008. It's for the Coram Children's Legal Centre. Mon-Fri 8am to 8pm. Free solicitor advice. You'll have to keep ringing to get through, as they don't generally do callbacks, so allow yourself plenty of time. They are VERY helpful.

sugarcoatedthorns · 23/01/2015 20:09

no but they do get hidden pretty quickly, especially in these circumstances i think.

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