Do men despise women.

[Loomineer]

On another thread read comments about women not realising how much men despise them. It got me thinking how in my relationships I've looked back and thought god. They really despised me.

My best friend is in a relationship where to me her dp treats her like he despises her.

I am not a man hater by any means. I just wondered what other people thought.

are you suggesting that you haven't?

yes. it's childish bobbins. This probably goes for a majority of my male friends.

Neither are you prepared to listen to me. You jumped straight to the conclusion that I was calling you aggressive when I said, nor implied, nothing of the sort.

" So are you suggesting that because as the female in this incident, it is my responsibility to ensure that a male who is cycling way too fast as he is late should not necessary hit my car, when he is a good 30m away?"

I'm suggesting that it's your responsibility as the driver to not drive a tonne of metal in the way of the cyclist - my mind is boggling - you would never say the same thing about a pedestrian - you know you wouldn't

"I drove up on a pavement the other day, and a woman and her child had to jump out of the way - she was angry at me and screamed at me - I can't understand why"

Genuinely, AnyFucker, I am prepared to listen.

What could/should I be doing differently/ beyond challenging sexism/misogyny when I see it?

Conflating having to nose out into a cycle lane in order to join a flow of traffic and driving up onto a pavement at a woman and child is slightly ridiculous. Would you expect to be called a cunt in either situation?

it's childish bobbins

Wtf is that even meant to mean?

Sorry, I was referring to your point about men making jokes about each other being under the thumb. Some men think it's funny, some think it's childish shit.

You haven't read my post with understanding. I didn't drive into him. He was 30m up the road when I drove onto the bike path. I was in that spot before he was. If there was a collision, he would have hit my car. It was not a case of my car hitting him.

I'm leaving the cycling thing, but I'm just pointing out a hidden privilege (and we should always challenge those, shouldn't we?). Zazzi's "nosing out" into the way of a cycle path is another person's "dangerous driving"

It just irritated me, and still does slightly that there seemed to be no acknowledgement of you driving dangerously - that's all (I know it's off-topic), but that's an unspoken privilege

why on earth would you assume she was driving dangerously, when she has said the cyclist was 30 m away

I am glad you are listening, tdb

You asked me what I think you should do. Firstly, stop taking offence on the behalf of all men. When feminists refer to the attitudes of "men" towards "women" they mean the prevailing majority. Which, in our current sexualised society, a large part of that is one of women as sexual commodities to please men and if they do not have the correct tools to achieve that aim they are somehow lesser.

Yes, call it out when you see it and not just the "big" stuff. Open your eyes and ears and see how it really is for women and young girls on a daily basis. But don't get into any scraps in the process

Some men despise women. Many men don't.

It's ridiculous to generalise.

Thank you 7days. Its the irrationality of the argument that I don't get. I still don't get why its my responsibility to make sure that a man travelling too fast on a bike doesn't hit my car. So far there has been no response to the question as to his responsibility for his own safety.

Anyfucker, going back on topic - is there a slight double standard there when you say "stop taking offence on the behalf of all men. When feminists refer to the attitudes of "men" towards "women" they mean the prevailing majority". Is it ok for man to say something about the prevaling majority of women.

If a man says something about women "engineering is a man's profession", "women don't like football", "women aren't as good as men with computers" etc, in terms of the prevailing majority, he might be factually correct.

Zazzles, if you pull out of a junction into the path of someone who has priority, you have to take some responsibility - why was he going too fast exactly? Was he breaking the speed limit?

The insistence on NAMALT is Monty Pythonesque and rather beside the point.

I don't believe for a minute that Germaine Greer believes that all men hate all women: she was making the point that women in general are unaware just how much some men hate women. It was intended to shock women out of naivety and complacency into awareness.

Growing up I didn't understand why so many men beat up women, rape them, treat them so badly. As an adult, having seen how many men have problems with women; how much dislike and distrust of women is embedded in professional, political, social life, even now with supposed equality; quite how rabid that dislike can be: everything became clear.

The roots of misogyny are deep and ancient and its branches are wide,
it will take more than a few generations to root it out.

..... they should make bridges over cycle paths, so that cyclists won't call drivers cunts.....

OTM, this isn't about me as an individual but since you ask. I don't join in with "men are better at maths", "men are not as caring as women", "men don't see the housework that needs doing" etc as I consider that to be also sexist. So yes, it works both ways.

I do believe that the way society is sup often means that men are better at eg. fixing cars/unblocking toilets than women but I don't believe there is any inherent chromosome arrangement that makes it so.

set up not sup

So you are saying I should give way to someone who is 30m up the road? Fair enough if they are just about to cross in front of me, but that is just ridiculous! Is that your expectation as a cyclist? That all motorists 30m away from you should give way when you are on a bike path?

... ""men are better at maths", "men are not as caring as women", "men don't see the housework that needs doing" etc as I consider that to be also sexist"

So, in effect, you agree that "men despise women" is a sexist statement which we should try and combat?

If a man says something about women "engineering is a man's profession", "women don't like football", "women aren't as good as men with computers" etc, in terms of the prevailing majority, he might be factually correct.

Seriously?

Zazzles, we're going off the point here, but someone cycling on a cycle path has priority.

You're not going to agree, because of your unchecked privilege, and you're clearly not taking any responsibility for your behaviour - no wonder he was angry with you (although I dont' condone his language)

The point is you got in his way when he had priority - you then had to stop, meaning he had to stop - if he was cycling fast, 30m isn't that far, and you were in the wrong