Do men despise women.

[Loomineer]

On another thread read comments about women not realising how much men despise them. It got me thinking how in my relationships I've looked back and thought god. They really despised me.

My best friend is in a relationship where to me her dp treats her like he despises her.

I am not a man hater by any means. I just wondered what other people thought.

"However, there is a significant gap in funding provided to both professional and amateur female sports compared to their male equivalents. There is also a significant amount of conditioning in genders growing up whereby boys are encouraged far more to pursue sports, use their phyisque, accept and deliver physical force etc. Therefore they are better at that when they grow up, they have more opportunities presented to them and there is a far bigger pool from which to draw the professionals."

The participation is the thing. 36.7% of boys 5-15 were members of sports clubs compared to 16.7% of girls. It seems to be something so inherent in our society that it is very difficult to change.

There are areas where this is the other way round though. For instance, a higher proportion of girls play musical instruments compared to boys. Why is this not thought of as a gender issue in the same way that sport is?

That's a good point Whats, although I don't know of many orchestra/music clubs that specifically exclude one or other gender. Except church choirs (religious reasoning) and ones that rely on certain vocal ranges: you can't really have a post-pubescent male soprano choir, or a female bass choir. Well I suppose you can, but both would be a pretty rare thing!

I suppose most pro-sports organisations are exclusive to gender, and also the kind of power they wield (think of the financial clout of the FA/FIFA) means they're flagged up more as a gender issue than the equivalent reverse gender scenarios.

Whatsthat - more girls than boys play musical instruments but it's still the case that more men get more spots on big orchestras. That's not down to talent it's down to gender bias. Once blind auditions when trying out for symphony orchestras, women's chance of progressing increased by 50%.

Sabrina, Ascribing a position to a group e.g. being dominant/having privileges which they may not even be consciously aware of is not the same as ascribing an opinion/emotion to a group of people.

whats -

Maybe the girls just aren't as interested in playing sports and boys just aren't as interested in playing musical instruments? It may be down to personal opinion/interest rather than social pressure.

Equestrian sports have mixed gender participation. Although sometimes classes are divided depending on gender of the horse. Maybe that's seen as A Bad Thing too?

mixed sex/sex of the horse.

cailin, that's interesting. I thought for the gender bias was because playing in a symphony orchestra life doesn't go very well with 'family life'. And (wrongly) women typically end up more responsible for childcare.

But these are very small numbers of people we're talking about. Similarly with professional sports. Whilst it is obviously important I'm more interested in participation than the elite level. The thinking in sports seems to be that girls don't see enough role models at the highest level, so participation is lower. Yet in music it doesn't work like that.

Unfortunately, threads similar to this often end up the same way. There was one quite recently entitled, "Are all men rapists?". Luckily, after it was reported numerous times, MNHQ deleted it.
Regarding sports funding, you can't force people to watch what they don't want to. It has nothing to do with gender. People want to watch an event played at it's best level. Women's football isn't the same quality as the men's, so it clearly won't attract the same sponsorship. I didn't pay that much attention to the olympics but I made a point of watching Jessica Ennis and Victoria Pendleton because they are the elite at what they do.

Whats, many women actually choose to take more responsibility of childcare. It would be nice if there was a bit of recognition on this thread that some women make these choices themselves and are not forced into them by men/social pressure.

neiljames. I didn't see that one. How awful. Was the OP serious was it some kind of sick joke?

for* childcare

That's all a but "chicken and egg" Neiljames!

Oh, and you can persuade people to watch different sports. Velodrome events wouldn't be featured on TV 15 years ago for example. Its down to funding...

I was out in town a couple of months ago, on a Friday night, having a couple of drinks with friends, and when we left the bar a crowd was gathered outside.

Two men were posturing and posing at each other, not ready to fight but obviously it was going to happen. Mutual friends of both were either egging it on or trying to calm it down. Neither guy seemed like they really wanted to fight though.

The thing was, these girls the guys were with were the ones physically pushing their men towards the opponent.

'Have im, dave!'
'Fuckin hit im, Chris!'

I don't know what had happened earlier, I just saw that little snapshot of the event. I didn't hang around.

But in that case, the women were obviously manipulating the men into committing acts of violence against other men, because they got some kind of thrill or sense of validation from manipulating a man into violent acts.

Did they despise men?

Bant - I don't think that they actually despise men but you're right in saying that it's a thrill for them. The town where I live is full of women like that and I'm ashamed to say that in my late teens and early 20's, I allowed myself to get manipulated into fights like that.

VFXdad

bumbleymummy - It was an article that had been written by someone. I was surprised that while the thread lasted, a few posters actually tried to justify the comment. Luckily, most people found it a disgusting thing to say, said so and reported it.

Sounds similar to the "all PIV is rape" theory from radical feminism. Pretty shocking stuff.

Too tired to contribute right now but just wanted to throw some support Sabrinnnas way...Completely agree with your points which are backed up well. However, as some posters in this thread demonstrate, it's so difficult to present this argument to people so entrenched in society's conditioning. I do my best daily but it's an uphill battle especially when it's all so subtle and mostly unconscious-a result of century's of patriarchy is not easily addressed or undone..:0(