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Dear STBXH

973 replies

WellWhoKnew · 10/05/2014 22:44

Thank you for trying to save me costs of divorce by selecting a solicitor for me and by covering their costs, you are doing me a favour, I know.

Thank you for being fair by offering to take only 40% of the assets in my name to enable a quick resolution to the end of the marriage, which is what you want.

Of course, I realise that the assets in your name aren't mine because you are the man. Sorry you are THE MAN. I do keep getting things wrong, so I perfectly understand that you want a divorce.

All the same, thank you for offering me a speedy divorce by asking me to agree that we have been separated for two years so that I can move on with my life. Okay, we both know it's less than two weeks in actualment since you walked. I remain in shock but I'm so grateful that you have my best interests at heart during this difficult time.

So, Soon To Be Ex-Husband, thank you.

Because you are a twat and I'm so much better off without you.

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WellWhoKnew · 30/09/2014 21:41

Dear STBXH,

I am writing to you today to dish out a little admonishite, because, well, just well because I can, and I'm somewhat bemused by your antics this week, as well as that of your 'employees' namely 'shs' and friends, more of whom in a minute.

As, I fear there may be others Hmm party to my correspondence to you, and perhaps have never had the joy of getting divorced before, unlike you, I shall endeavor to explain the process of getting divorced in layman's terms so they can keep up.

You may give a copy of this to your solicitor, because I fear, for reasons I am about to explain, she may also gain assistance from my learned experience.

When you decide you want a divorce: that is the opportunity to fuck off without notice from a marriage, you still need to follow the divorce procedure in order to make your decision legally-binding. This is not a complicated procedure per se.

Firstly, you fill in the correct paperwork, giving the correct reasons for wanting a divorce. It is very rare that someone does this twice because they got it wrong first time.

After that, you agree, not decree, with your STBX how to separate the finances and make arrangements for any children of the marriage, if necessary. Thankfully, as you know, making arrangements for the children is not necessary but this is not because you have a wonky willy, I know this now, but I'm guessing you still need assurances on this matter.

If you have any problems with this part of the procedure, it is advised that you seek sensible legal advice.

Sensible legal advice can be A Family Law Solicitor specialising in Divorce Law, aka a SHL. I always recommend a person shops around a little to find someone who 'gets' you and your situation before making a firm decision because you really want someone to rely on in the coming months. After all, they have been tasked with the most difficult job 'protecting your rights' whilst at the same time 'abusing the rights' of the other party.

Alternative legal advice can also be sought from Bar Room Barristers; Dr. Google LLB; others having had experience of divorce (like yourself); and children's law specialists - otherwise known colloquially as 'shs's.

'shs's may be very nice women, or in fact men. No one really cares about this. Yours, according to my SHL, is apparently is a very nice woman, albeit just a little clueless on Divorce Procedural Matters.

So the next part of the process is dealing with what's called Arseholeance Relief Matters. They are are all separate legal actions that can only be taken once a divorce petition has been correctly submitted. Note: correctly submitted. For example, I couldn't apply for the bizarrely named: Spousal Maintenance Pending Suit, when I was 'allegedly still happily married'. It should really be called Divorce Pending - left her in the Shit Suit.

So in theory, and this, I agree is a bit confusing: You can be a petitioner, and your STBX is the respondent in the divorce, but you can also end up being a respondent, and your wife be the applicant (and vice versa). However: it will depend whether you are taking them to the courthouse, or they you on the Arseholeance Relief Matters.

It is, therefore, very important that you don't confuse this when you make financial offers starting: The petitioner gets and then claim nigh on 90% of the marital asset's in the respondent's name, offering none in your own name. This is because you are the petitioner, not me. Remember that stunt? The outcomes is that it tends to cause utmost upset and high blood pressure for the opposing party, and results in sending them orbital into a parallel universe and thereafter run to the courthouse with a SHL and a SHB, asking for a Timetabled Divorce.

A Timetabled Divorce is just that. A Timetable of events to bring to an end the Arseholiance Relief Matters. They are there to be obeyed, and the procedures followed.

Irrespective of how you decide to proceed, if you are employing solicitors, you will most certainly be required to complete Form E. This is not E for Exaggerate your medical illnesses and Empty the bank accounts to make yourself look more destitute than you are. It is just the letter given to the form, which is part of the process. It outlines, your current financial situation, and your needs going forward, and any special contributions that you think should be taken into account when splitting the assets.

Form E is then exchanged once, and once only: and a copy lodged with the courthouse. Ideally, they should all be the same. Ideally they should be signed. This is not difficult to achieve. But all the same, it was very kind of your 'shs' to hand-deliver a fourth, Form E yesterday. This one is, in fact, signed. Progress, me thinks.

This signifies the next stage of the process, what questions to ask the opponent, because things don't always add up. For example...

You are claiming back the cost of my degree as it's a marital asset that needs to be shared, and it forms part of the 'special' contribution you made to the marriage. You have decided you need a masters degree in my former profession (management) even though you have no experience of my former profession: and in fact are still doing the same job as when I met you. You haven't even had a promotion in fifteen years and remain with your feet firmly on the shop floor. But whatever, I'm just making an observation and not castigating you or anyone who decides that managerial responsibility is not for them. I just wonder why now, given you are going to drop down dead at any moment in time, you suddenly want more stress in your life not less - as I think whatever anyone thinks about managers, they are aware it's not all jollies and golf-clubs. But I'm getting carried away here.

Back to the legal procedure. So having exchanged just one Form E (hopefully), you along with your chosen legal representative, then compile a "Questionnaire".

This is not, as you'd think, a form with such trivial matters like: How much do you like your STBX on a scale of 1-10, but in fact a list of queries about the information within the Exchanged Form E.

For example: What evidence can you supply that your Masters Degree is a real thing and not just a 'good' idea to claim more of the assets?

It is always best, when you think about the questions you want to ask, to not ask stupid ones you already know the answer to, like for example: You have listed all the transactions in my bank account to various contractors, whom not only have you actually met, and personally selected to do the work, but also you also personally set up and made the payments to them via my bank account. Having to now deal with your accusation that I'm using some people to hide money for me and from you. It just, really, makes you look like a loon to Mr. Judge.

At this point, you should go to something called MIAMs. A series of meetings, led by a mediator, to allegedly dissuade the now exasperated STBX from Murdering the Irritating Aggavating Muppet who is giving her high blood pressure. It is an alternative to legal action, and considerably cheaper because one's solicitors are absent from the process. This, you seemed to think was an excellent idea. Me less so.

To avoid pre-mediated murder, which quite frankly, isn't going to be a great career move for me, it is generally a good idea to go to a good mediator, or ask a judge to opt you out of the process. I am learning to believe judges are very sensible people. You remain alive thanks to the actions of Mr. Judge.

So we look again to a courthouse. The Questionnaire is then submitted to Mr Judge by post. I am not being sexist here, but I've only ever met two judges, and they've both been of the male variety. Mr Judge then orders you and us to come to his chambers to 'explain ourselves'. This meeting is called an FDA.

An FDA, or Fuckwits Demonstrate Arsholeance meeting, is really just to check that all is in order, and to give a little admonishment, if he deems it necessary. It is, according to the rules of divorce, when he decides which of your questions are relevant and reasonable to ask of the other person.

But thank you for your emailed answers to our Questionnaire yesterday.

Our FDA isn't until the end of the week. We will not be supplying my answers until a judge has agreed it is appropriate to do. I am not being difficult here, but I just don't want to piss the judge off by undermining his authority. I have noticed they are grumpy sods. But I've only met two so what do I know?

The other advantage of not 'giving' away the answers to the Questionnaire, is that it can greatly piss off your opponent. For example, if you are claiming you have a Heart Condition, FROM WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO DROP DOWN DEAD AT ANY MOMENT IN TIME, and then say that this is caused by your 'blood pressure' ishoos, and that you have given up sport because you have 'Groin Injuries sustained in.....May, then Mr Facebook comes and joins the divorce proceedings. Mr Facebook may well be as reliable as Dr. Google LLB. But all the same, Mr Facebook suddenly makes you seem a little less than truthful in your account of things...

It is not the frame of mind you want your STBXW in when you're about to enter into a delicate stage of the proceedings, and she is having to sit in a room with you in a few days time. You remember pre-mediated murder? I'm not going to do it but I am thinking about the defence of 'an act of passion' and whether to yet more legal advice....

The other consequence is suddenly I have a heart condition, and my blood pressure is now, according to Dr. Google, and my doctor friend, in the 'melodramatic' figures. Yours: not so much.

Now, if you are largely already in agreement at this point of your divorce, you can write to the judge, by way of completing a Form G, and ask him to convert the FDA to FDR hearing, which is another kind of meeting, more formally called: Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness hearing.

My SHL has done the Form G so I'm pretty sure we've got this bit correct. It wasn't difficult, just involved ticking a box saying 'I want our first meeting to be an 'FDA' and not ticking the box to say I wanted it converted into an FDR'. Given I am the applicant in the Arseholean Relief Matters, it is my job to do this. But thank you for your form G. It appears we can agree on very little.

So here I am at the week of FDA, and not FDR, and I am reliably informed that you are bringing with you your specialist solicitor in children's matters, and a barrister - for a twenty-minute meeting with a judge, which is just a 'directions' hearing to make sure we are all behaving ourselves, before we start making offers and counter-offers, which is what we need to be doing to get this divorce over with.

So, a little tip for you: please find out what specialty your Barrister has. Because at the moment, for someone who wanted a cheap, efficient divorce by way of 'quickiedivorce.com', you've now doubled the price of my FDA, as I too now have to bring back the lovely SHB just in case you decide to start fucking negotiating on the day - and the lovely SHB is my ultimate case manager on the likely outcome of this divorce. Should your arseholeance continue all the way passed FDR and into "FH", or the 'Fucking Hell' stage of a protracted divorce, I want to know we've done absolutely everything we can to avoid it.

Alternatively, it may be that 'shs' may be relying on using a Barrister because she is inexperienced and unaccustomed to managing an FDA and speaking to judges - because, if that's why you are bringing a Barrister and a Solicitor to a twenty minute meeting, I shall despair.

However, at the moment we don't even know who your barrister is, nor what you the hell you are intending in court this week.

In the interim, I am looking at the bottle of gin.

Please, please, please get some brains. Somewhere, find some, please. I'm begging you now.

Wife with brains (no longer yours).

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mineofuselessinformation · 30/09/2014 21:53

Oh WWK, it looks like you're having a time of it at the moment. Have the gin if you want, but don't lose sight of the goal while you're at it...
KOKO, (I love it that my phone now recognises this by the way). You're doing great. Your time will come.
Still shaking the pom-poms.

Andro · 30/09/2014 21:59

Oh dear lord...is he trying to cause as much mayhem as humanly possible?

That gin sounds like a good idea though

By the way, doe the 4th form E match any of the previous 3 he sent you or do you now have 4 variations on a theme?

Meerka · 30/09/2014 22:01

WellWhoKnew your posts are amazing.

I hate to mention this though, but if he ever figures out you post here, could this thread be used against you? (i sincerely hope not)

missingwordsround · 30/09/2014 22:02

WWK - keep on kicking ass Grin

MyOneandYoni · 30/09/2014 22:07

OP - I think I'm an ickle bit in love with you...

WellWhoKnew · 30/09/2014 22:17

Not really Meerka he's not named, and nothing identifying to either of us in here. 'Snot libel, 'snot Slander.

It would just piss the other person off immensely. Meh.

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WhereIsMYJonathanSmith · 30/09/2014 22:18

Ahhh WWK your thread is completely addictive. But I am honestly sorry you are going through this. I sincerely hope that, as well as coming out of this divorced, you come out of this financially secure.

Your Ex sounds a bit like mine. They see things through their own eyes, have no boundaries, accept no rules!

I do wish you well and think you are coping admirably :)

Whereisegg · 30/09/2014 22:41

Again I've been away, and again it's the same old shit!
His stupidity is almost impressive.

NettleTea · 30/09/2014 22:54

what an incompetent twat

Anniegetyourgun · 30/09/2014 22:58

Gosh, is your blood pressure playing up, WWK? Sad I'm not surprised, with the stress you've been through in the last few months, but for heaven's sake take good care of yourself - you can't go being carried unconscious (or worse!) off the field of battle before STBX has been given the full deserved measure of kicking.

WellWhoKnew · 30/09/2014 23:20

My very good friend is a qualified, proper doctor Annie, and is going to be here to keep me upright this week! In a bizarre freak incidence of co, she became my very good friend when STBXH exited stage right, although we were friendly before!

I like her being my friend because she is a very interesting and a very likeable person. As it is, for the purposes of proceedings, she remains a key member of Team Queen WWK!

WWK just needs to stand there looking pretty - 'tis the most difficult part (obvs)

Any beauticians around? There's a vacancy emerged....

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AcrossthePond55 · 01/10/2014 01:38

Oooh, love gin! For something other than a G&T or a G&J, try a White Linen. This is my favorite hot weather drink (& it does get hot where I live!) but it's good any time!

1 1/2 oz Gin
1/2 oz Elderflower Liquor
1/2 oz simple syrup
1 oz lemon juice
5-6 thin slices of seedless cucumber

combine in cocktail shaker, muddle the cucumber. shake well, strain into highball glass filled with ice, top with soda water.

Be careful, these go down real smooth! But since you'll be with your doctor, I'm sure you'll be ok!

Meerka · 01/10/2014 10:24

glad to hear he can't possibly sue you for this thread, it's such a hard time for you but you're turning pigshit into thread-gold!

Karenthetoadslayer · 01/10/2014 13:30

Would that not be a form of stalking and harassment on his behalf, if VSTBEXH took any action in this regard? As it would require a great deal of research and perseverance to identify WWK in the first place.

WellWhoKnew · 01/10/2014 18:31

Dear VSTBXH,

It is now five whole months since you left and I thought I'd share my feelings about that. The days of 'manic and panic' are gone, I suppose, I am now moving ever closer to a new life in which your DNA has long departed.

I'm having a purge.

I lobbed off six inches with a quick visit to the hairdresser's, and came home to murder every bacteria that had the affront to live in the kitchen even though my "housewifely" skills are surplus to requirements these days.

I've got rid of every parasite that has inhabited the nooks and crannies of my home in recent months. For a minute, I thought I'd acquired a third cat, but it's just MrDon'tHaveAClueCat's new sleeping place. He's doing well.

The leggy creatures are particularly big at the moment. I've dealt with them via MsWellIDon'tGiveAFuckCat's insatiable appetite. She's doing well.

I ruthlessly tidied up the office now that the latest paperwork needs getting into order, and that got me thinking some more.

How anyone can just get up one day and go 'fuck it' and fuck off? Not once picking up the phone to say 'I'm sorry', I've left you in a terrible mess. Not once even asking in emails 'How are things?'. Just several months later, ringing several mutual friends to let them know they can remain friends with both of us, from which I learnt you were doing well.

I suppose it gave me time to reflect. The purge of bugs, parasites and hair got me thinking too. The last time I cleaned the windows, I was in the "manic and panic" stage of this period of my life, ditto getting my hair-cut. The months after that were "one long lie-in", even though I never really slept with the worry and anxiety of all this.

It was so exhausting, I couldn't really find the energy to do anything beyond make a cup of tea some days. And that's when you ramped up your endless decrees and demands. Your overwhelming obsession with why I wasn't moving on with my life. It was all I could do read the correspondence, before the endless 'disbelief, hurt, bewilderment, fuck you' cycle of mind-frenzy that I knew I would be suffering from in the following days kicked in.

Although I'm not quite back to form yet, I suppose I'm moving into the 'manic, but not panic' stage. I still am quite forgetful and distracted at times.

You know, like today, when I can't, for the life of me, remember what else needs scrubbing out of my life, but I'm sure it'll come back to me soon enough.

Wife, nearly done cleaning up.

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FantasticButtocks · 01/10/2014 18:43

I hear arseholes yes you VSTBXH are getting bleached these days… Grin

Anniegetyourgun · 01/10/2014 19:25

He gave mutual friends his gracious permission to speak to you? How very... er, is magnanimous the word I'm looking for?

I know what needs scrubbing out of your life: those legal witches you have in your corner. They're just stirring up trouble with your perfectly reasonable VSTBX. This could all be sorted by now if only they'd butt out and let him etc etc.

WellWhoKnew · 02/10/2014 00:35

Annie, fair point: I realise, now, a little to late for VSTBXH he is a victim of Misandry.

I am utterly abusing my power as mad (angry? or insane?) STBXW.

Now I'm aware of my cruelty, my blood pressure has dropped at a rate of knots...

Still doesn't change the legal system though. I's just a little person, after all.

But I'm getting good at understanding 'rights' and 'entitlements' these days...

Given I have had years of being told what are.

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Anniegetyourgun · 02/10/2014 07:45

Oh, insane, definitely. By now you could be tucked up in your nice cosy luxury caravan, with a comfortable little income, enough to buy the very best brand of baked beans every week. Instead you're wasting his valuable time and resources on arguing the toss. Give in to the inevitable, woman! You know it makes sense.

Or, of course, possibly not.

Karenthetoadslayer · 02/10/2014 11:43

Hi WWK I hope you are having a nice and relaxing day today, walk on the beach, in the countryside, something like that?

Best of luck for tomorrow, we will all be thinking of you!

Flowers
thenamehaschanged · 02/10/2014 11:57

KOKO wwk!!! Once this is all over, write a non slanderous book! You have such a way with words, turning misery into humour - tis a gift! That would shove it right up STBXH's bleached arsehole Grin

Good luck with everything Thanks

That gin recipe sounds bloody lovely by the way Acrossthepond Grin though I figure wwk is still at the knock it back neat stage atm!!

AcrossthePond55 · 02/10/2014 14:47

It is lovely thename. But you're probably right. WWK's probably drinking the 'divorce cocktail'; 1 1/2 oz hard liquor of your choice (or more to taste), 1 bullet (caliber of your choice). Pour liquor into lovely, expensive crystal glass and down in one gulp (or just swig from the bottle), bite bullet, proceed with paperwork. Repeat as needed. Grin

WWK hope today is a good day. I recently lopped off 6 inches from my hair, too. Liberating not to be a slave to the flatiron.

Just KOKO. Every day is a step further away from VSTBX.

WellWhoKnew · 02/10/2014 15:20

Dear VSTBXH,

I am currently boiling the gin to make it stronger.

For some odd reason, I actually spent this morning feeling sorry for you. But then something bad happened, which is bringing me a world more problems, and you can fucking well sort it out since it is such a precious asset to you.

And that way, you'll stop whinging about your fucking blood pressure and face up to the responsibilities in your life, instead of telling me 'to go get a job'.

I have had to do 'my job' for five months, and you have spent thousands of my SM with your vicious decision-making.

And in other news, the man who thought I was just a pretty little head, got 6 months suspended sentence, suspended for two years. And I've just filled in form to claim the compensation I was awarded, which is all mine, by the way. Being as I the victim, not you!

Tomorrow is court day, and I'm angry.

Rant over.

You stupid turd of a man.

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TheHoneyBadger · 02/10/2014 15:22

angry is more than understandable.