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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 26/04/2014 13:39

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It's almost May 2014, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
March 2011
November 2011
January 2012
November 2012
January 2013
March 2013
August 2013
December 2013
February 2014

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

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Meerka · 22/07/2014 07:53

hi snake, welcome, come in

< peers to see how cautiousvisitor is doing>

mampam · 22/07/2014 09:51

Hi all, I didn't mean to just post and run the last time but I needed some time to just.

I didn't reply to my brother's message not because I didn't want to but I simply could not be bothered.
I am now very glad I didn't give him the time of day as I now suspect that he and his wife are very much up to something (what it is I don't know or care so long as it doesn't involve me).

It would appear that my brothers wife has also unblocked me on FB. I clicked on her profile to check it was her (so I could then block her) and it would seem that her profile page is very much open for public viewing with nearly every photo being of her with my dniece and not her own children (my brother's daughter from previous relationship, the mum of whom he cheated on multiple times, with multiple women the last of whom is now his wife). To cut a long story short it struck me as being very antagonistic towards dneice's mother.

Where and why I seem to fit into this I do not know and do not want to know.

So I am therefore glad that I did not take the bait and shall not take it. In fact it is seeing things like that reminds me of exactly why I do not ever want to get involved with all of that petty nonsense ever again. It's quite satisfying to see just how far I have moved on with my life and just how much my brother is still repeating the same old pattern in his.

Snake welcome to this thread. I too have had counselling. I don't think you can ever truly understand why toxic people behave the way they do but counselling definitely helps you to come to terms with your own feelings and that you are totally justified in feeling the way you do when these toxic people behave appallingly toward you.

Dancergirl I'm very sorry that you and DH do not always agree when it comes to your mother. Don't forget that narcissists are experts at coming across to others as being lovely people. Maybe your DH has been blind sighted by this?

pumpkinsweetie · 23/07/2014 12:21

What a week! With the card fiasco on sunday, dh was completely in agreement I did the right thing however he found out about the card previous as they texted both our phones.
He did read it and did get a bit foggy but he coped better than I thought.

My daughter's birthday was yesterday and they hand delivered a card yet again.
No speech in this one but I have this feeling the warpath is starting again so unfortunately I think I may be becoming a regular member on stately homes yet again.
Going by dhs card/letter i read inbetween the lines that they are not giving up so best get my fighting gloves back on again!

Birthday's grouped together, christmas etc are normally when I start cracking my pants.

flowerandrandd · 23/07/2014 20:15

Having a bit of a hard time facing up in looming cutting off of relationship with toxic mother. Feels hard, I'm broke at the moment, just saying I'm lurking really x

enjoyingscience · 23/07/2014 23:16

hello all. I'm hoping this is an ok place to unload/offload?

I've been struggling with my childhood for a long time, even as a child I knew there were things that weren't right, and felt different and ashamed a lot of the time.

My DM and dad had a very volatile relationship, him being an alcoholic who could be charming, funny, incredibly clever and articulate, but also violent, lying, a thief... everything you'd expect from an alcoholic really.

His depression was badly controlled, and several times during my childhood I watched him try to take his own life. One time, I think (not sure if my memories are all correct), that he made me watch, locking me in a porch while he ran the hose into the car window and revved the engine. Other times I remember screaming through car windows and pulling the hose out. He (obviously) didn't succeed, and my DM brushed off the attempts as him not coping, but he'd be ok once he'd spoken to the GP.

They finally split when I was 11/12, and he blamed me for the divorce from that point on. (I'm not sure whether he really blamed me, but I was given the blame several times when he became angry/drunk etc). He moved a few miles away and my DB and I visited a couple of evenings a week. If he had been a functioning alcoholic previously, within a few years he ceased to function.

Eventually, contact reduced, until I was 17 and during a visit he became violent towards DB and I. He also revealed he wasn't actually my biological father. My DM confirmed this - she had split with him, became pregnant to a married colleague (though they were in a relationship, and she speaks about it like they planned the baby? It's all a bit of a mystery to me). She then got back together while pregnant with my dad, and they brought me up as if I were his. My younger DB is therefore my half brother.

I stopped contact soon after that. Strangely, him not being my bio-dad was not really relevant in this choice, I just couldn't face the emotional drain any more. My brother also stopped seeing him, although I think he might have continued contact if he'd had me there, as an ally. I will feel guilty forever that this might be the case, and that in making the choice to stop contact, I forced his hand. Dad died about 5 years ago, after about a decade of no contact. He was 61, and drank himself to death, inevitably.

I have no interest really in finding my biological father, who knows quite a bit about me, and knows that I have children myself. He never left his own marriage and has several daughters with his wife. He clearly has the morals of a scummy toad to do what he did to his wife and family.

I don't really know what I want to achieve now - there isn't really any route to closure, no confrontation worth having. I'm very close to my mum, and though I do think a lot of her choices were a bit suspect, she never set out to hurt me. I feel a little bit like collateral damage sometimes.

I guess my questions are what can I do? I need to shake off the crappy self esteem and trust issues I've been left with. I've labelled myself 'weird' from such a young age that I've become it, and I hate that I'm suffering because of things that happened so long ago. I feel I have nothing to gain from bringing it up with DM, especially as I would hate to hurt my DB further. I'm lost.

God, this turned into an essay. I'm so sorry. Sorry also if it makes no sense - I've never really tried to tell the whole story, and I've probably missed out the most important parts. Thanks for reading if you have done.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 23/07/2014 23:30

Welcome.

I'm not surprised you have trust and self esteem issues. Are you not angry with your Mum for having the affair too? It's almost like your step father punished you for something that wasn't even your fault.

Have you had counselling at all?

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 23/07/2014 23:32

As for your step father trying to commit suicide in front of you. That's just awful.

Please keep talking if it helps. We're good listeners on here.

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enjoyingscience · 23/07/2014 23:47

thank you so much for reading that. It means so, so much to have someone listen.

I've never had counselling. I've tried to talk to a few friends in RL, but talk myself round it - I always end every sentence with 'but it's fine...'. It's not fine, and never has been, but I can't find it in myself to say that out loud.

I've never been angry with DM. I guess I just feel a bit resigned - it's too late for her to change anything now, and I don't think she realises how damaging it all was. We are a very close family now - I think I've always just let it go for the sake of a calm life, but maybe that's not the best thing to do long term.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 23/07/2014 23:52

No it's not fine. Being blamed half your childhood. Witnessing attempted suicides and erratic behaviour.

You knew things weren't right. So much was hidden. Like an elephant in the room not being discussed and then it all clicks into place when your alcoholic step father let's rip one day.

Counselling would be a good move. You have a lot to work through.

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Meerka · 24/07/2014 12:52

hiya flowerandrandd, saw your other thread. Welcome and lurk away! Hope you find this thread helps.

hi enjoyingscience. Second what mome says that counselling - skilled therapy probably- is a good idea. There is so much there.

About feeling guilty. We're taught that our parents are our parents and we owe them everything, which kind of builds on what we tend to feel anyway. But it's a balance and the limitless love of a child for her mother and father changes a little as time goes on. We should grow up and away, on good terms of course. But when something goes wrong, it's very hard to spread our wings and fly. We're still stuck hopping around trying to make thigns right with mama and papa birds.

I think what I'm saying is that you did all you could for your father - up to an including handling his suicide attempts :s Him laying guilt on you is utterly wrong of a parent. You reaching the normal adult point of wanting to look forward instead of being his support forever (read: enabler) was a good thing. Cutting contact was not a bad thing.

I don't know how you fully find closure. Been through intense therapy myself and it helped a lot, but rather than closure I learned to accept (most of the time) the sadness and regret and hurt - and anger- around my own flawed childhood and adolescence. Not exactly a happy ending, but contentment most of the time, and learning ot accept the wobbles.

Not sure if that helps at all ...

GoodtoBetter · 24/07/2014 21:01

I'm annoyed now as DM rang and says her solar power thingy is leaking water and can I ring someone about it, she's worried about me going away and it being broken and also her doorbell's on the blink and she's worried because if it's unreliable she won't be able to order her food shopping when I'm away. I want to scream "FUCK OFF" and peel her clingy little (metaphorical) hands off me like she's a toddler. But then I think I'm probably being unreasonable and a bit mad. But I hate this nonsense any time I'm about to go away. And the way she keeps saying "I'm sorry to be such a pain" over and over. If I told anyone else they wouldn't get it, I hope you all get it. It drives me batshit for a million reasons I can't even explain:
She's not sorry, she's trying to force me into saying I'm happy to help, nothing's too much trouble
If she were sorry she'd start doing this stuff herself
and other things I can't express.
Still some work to go distancing myself I think.....

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 24/07/2014 21:07

Argh. What did you say?

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GoodtoBetter · 24/07/2014 21:23

Said I'd ring someone tmrw.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 24/07/2014 21:27

How frustrating.

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pumpkinsweetie · 24/07/2014 22:20

Oh goodtobetter that reminds me so much of my estranged mil & fil and there continual needs of diy issues and the like.
She once called dh in the night as her boiler broke although he doesn't drive and neither has a clue about fixing boilersHmm

GoodtoBetter · 24/07/2014 22:48

The counsellor I saw was saying that our big bust up and moving out was really recent (18 months ago) and I think that's true. There's a lot of stuff that's never been dealt with. But I don't know how fair I'm being. But then again, the woman has been here since 2007 for crying out loud, put up and get on with your own life or fuck off!!!

GoodtoBetter · 24/07/2014 22:50

I think it's the trying to make me responsible for her that winds me up. The more she clings and dies the little kid act the more I want to run away screaming, been responsible for her my entire life.

GoodtoBetter · 24/07/2014 22:50

Does, not dies

Meerka · 25/07/2014 10:43

what woudl happen if you said to her "what are you going to do about it" to the next crisis? Give her the number of a plumber or odd-job man? (specially in the middle of the night)

Im sure somehow she's not be able to handle it but in your shoes I'd be tempted!

Hope you have a good time away - holiday?

GoodtoBetter · 25/07/2014 11:42

It's always couched in terms of would I mind ringing someone for her...so sounds a bit petty to say, no fuck off...do it yourself. But then it often turns into more than that.
Anyway I phoned and it was all fairly easily sorted and I made her buy me breakfast for my trouble.
Off to the beach (DBro's flat) on the 1st for 2 weeks!!! DBro is coming on about day 13 and we'll stay a bit longer with him. :)

Meerka · 25/07/2014 12:19

oh lovely, I hope you have a great time :)

again, it sounds like she has some way of getting around anything; but what would happen if you said " actuallly sorry I can't do that, I'm busy"

What Im getting at is disengaging from her games. Stepping back and being highly pragmatic - keeping practical. Would that help to disengage from the fencing game of manners disguising a spidersweb trying to entrap you. If you keep it purely pragmatic and force her to do things for herself, that might simply block the whole game off?

GoodtoBetter · 25/07/2014 14:26

The technician was to phone HER back and he did indeed, but she immediately pulled the "I can't speak Spanish, can you ring my daughter?" trick and then that meant he went on another job and now can't come til next week. HA HA HA! That'll learn her. well, it won't probably but I laughed. She said he spoke really fast and she couldn't understand him. He's just phoned me and he's perfectly easy to understand. I've explained it to him and told him to call her next week not me as the broken thing is in HER house and that she can understand perfectly well. Ha!

flowerandrandd · 25/07/2014 15:14

Just been ignored in supermarket by my mom, I don't give a shit but my kids are heartbroken... 'Why did grandma pretend she didn't see us' urgh

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 25/07/2014 15:36

Oh no flower Sad How horrid for your DC.

Meerka good advice. Ha ha good touché!

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Meerka · 25/07/2014 16:57

goodtobetter good stuff! I guess it's a sort of balance - too blunt and you might feel really bad. But making it inconvenient for her to rely on her - that you can't do things on time when she wants you to, that you might not be available - could tht work? force her to rely on herself more? and then give her positive attention when she is more 'normal'

she really does read like a toddler.

flowers im so sorry for your children :(