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Not had sex for almost two years

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Olliedelondon · 21/04/2014 14:03

I very much love my DW. Before we had our two children, we had a reasonable sex life, although I would always initiate. But since our children we have had very little sex (once every four months maybe) and nothing at all for now almost two years. My DW says that I am unreasonable in my 'needs' and that I should focus all my attentions on looking after the children. But I think it's destroying our marriage and I'm not prepared to sacrifice a sex life and frankly don't see why I should. I also don't think she fancies me. At all. Am I unreasonable? What should I do? I have 'got by' by using pornography in secret. I have also started fantasising about attractive colleagues, although I have never had an affair. The sexual frustration I feel is almost painful...Help?

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AnyFucker · 24/04/2014 20:01

This thread is taking an increasingly bizarre turn Hmm

Darkesteyes · 24/04/2014 21:20
Confused
FBXL5 · 24/04/2014 21:28

"Sorry I missed the bit where he said he used lesbian porn."

It's OK, you didn't... Hmm

Offred · 24/04/2014 22:25

If he is a regular porn watcher I find it incredibly hard to believe he has not been influenced by the themes of porn aimed at men. One of those themes being that lesbian sex is purely aimed at exciting men. That'd certainly explain why he has had pages of a thread and years of a relationship and failed to recognise his wife cheated on him in plain sight.

nauticant · 24/04/2014 22:38

Does this mean your detective work has led you to conclude his wife is having/has had a lesbian affair?

This is a very peculiar thread indeed. And I don't think that's the OP's doing.

Offred · 24/04/2014 22:54

You think there is detective work involved in interpreting "we got very drunk with her best friend from school. They were very touchy feely and whilst I was there she insisted on, if not snogging, kissing very frequently her friend, who reciprocated happily. When I challenged her on it the next day, she seemed to imply that she had done it for me, but I didn't buy that as she is not that sort of person (i.e. PDAs of any sort)."

FBXL5 · 24/04/2014 23:17

offred

"My point is he's using porn to replace some of the intimacy he has lost with his wife."

And your point is complete garbage. There is no way that porn could replace any of the intimacy that he craves - that is the the very nub of his problem.

When he says he has 'got by' he means just that - cracking one off periodically to relieve the pressure so to speak, just performing the bodily function.

Masturbating to internet porn (or whatever other stimulant you choose) is a very very poor substitute for real intimacy with a real partner, perhaps similar to the way that military field rations are a poor substitute for a home cooked meal - yes they keep you alive, but that's all.

For me, there is absolutely nothing like the sheer feeling of complete, de-stressed well-being that you get when you collapse onto the bed after making love to the woman you adore, with her completely relaxed and curled up in your arms (until she shatters the moment by squinting up at the ceiling and saying "is that a cobweb up there?").

This, I think, is what Ollie is yearning for (except for the cobweb maybe).

He is not using porn to replace some of the intimacy he has lost with his wife, he is simply using it as a visual stimulant to masturbate to - as men have done for millenia.

I wonder - if instead of porn he had said that he used pictures or thoughts of his previous partners or colleagues, would you be happier with that? At least it might have stopped you from shoe-horning your 'porn must be the problem' viewpoint into the thread at every opportunity. I'm not saying that porn doesn't cause problems - just that it's not the cause of every problem, and not this one.

FBXL5 · 24/04/2014 23:18

Ok this is now all completely beyond parody....

Offred · 24/04/2014 23:30

I wasn't making that point in the main. I think porn users have dubious views about women. However the point I was making was trying to replace the intimacy with other things, especially ones with dubious messages about sex, will not help him resolve his problem.

What an interesting reaction you had to that though...

Offred · 24/04/2014 23:31

And how weird that you've just posted a really long response which basically says 'he is trying to replace some of the intimacy with porn'

Darkesteyes · 24/04/2014 23:33

So many twists and turns here now I don't know what to think. Still reeling from being so bloody gaslighted on here.

Maisie0 · 25/04/2014 00:03

ollie I think this is beyond my comprehension, and worldview. I thought I had a good idea of where some posters came from on the angle of feminism, but then again, I was also brought up differently too, and I see there as another mini gender revolution now happening in my generation alone. i.e. within the past 10 or so years ? LGB and Transgender.

All I can say to the OP is that, hold onto the dream. If you want a woman that can be your wife and as well as the mother of your children, then this is not abnormal or hard to achieve. Stick to your gun. The way you wrote what you did before made me wondered about this because it came across as somewhat odd. Why does the two need to be distinguished so differently? I do wonder if your current situation allows you to begin this kind of differentiation and separation of the idea in your own mind. This is why I encourage you to seek counselling, address your own worldview again, and aim for a divorce. Cos sometimes a situation can turn you into somebody else that you do not wish to be. Psychologically. You wrote that she is a good mother but she is a bad wife. You compartmentalised her as a person. I wondered about this.

As my brother in law says to me sometimes, (and yes, we are full grown adults), "sometimes you got to self preserve" meaning that, you do have to perserve your identity and you as a person. Because this world, and I shall guarantee you that it can be chaotic. He was raised as a Catholic even though he did not believe in everything, but he has a worldview and a set of core values. I am also the same too. Just differently. You need to remember this regardless of what happens sociologically and also politically.

When Offred go on and on about "cognitive dissonance", this is what she meant. You are born and see the world a certain way, but sometimes your experience in life will change and affect you as a person. There is also a Chinese term as well when this happens. It is said that your soul has left your body. You split into two. What you think inside of your heart does not match that of what you see in the world and you start to disconnect.

I am also a woman, I was raised here in Britain, and I also thought that homosexuality was by birth, but then when I worked in US companies, I was often called a "lesbian" because I worked in IT (which is a male dominated industry), and I was not married, and I was kind of a bit aggressive sometimes. I remember going home crying when I received such labels. This hurtful feeling is my cognitive dissonance. By British terms, I was losing my self respect as a woman. I should hit back or comment back, but that is the culture over there. I accept it as a "culture", but really I was very hurt by their comment actually.

I hope you have enough information to make the right decisions for yourself. Cos if something makes sense and it feels peaceful, and no drama or tug-o-war or frustration inside of you. Then this is cognitively correct, or whatever the term is. I would say that, well done for coming out with that comment, and it definitely does not reflect on you as a man.

I need to get off this thread, because I feel like I am also going to get some kind of PTSD.... Sometimes I cannot believe some of the things I read on MN. I actually do not necessarily wish to deal with it. I am starting to get a headache?

On a different note, there is a difference in sexual peaks between genders at different ages. Hence why some ladies here commented that it was a cognitive dissonance, but in some level, it was also because of the realisation of the discovery of their peaks later on in life. This is also why some ladies mentioned that you should go slow on a girl who is younger, because her sexual peak differs to a guy's. The hormone levels also differ as well. That I do know. That is all from me, because I cannot deal with the rest about gender manipulation and sexual manipulation and all the rest of it.

Darkesteyes · 25/04/2014 00:10

Maisie ppl are individual. You cant define ppl based on groups according to their age. A friend of mine is with a 70 year old man and he has no problems in the bedroom.

Maisie0 · 25/04/2014 00:23

Darkesteyes Please respect me as a person and my views. Thank you.

Offred · 25/04/2014 07:40

Maisie I don't understand at all what you are trying to say but saying you are getting PTSD - you know that serious mental illness that war veterans and rape survivors get? That's quite off... Confused

Simplesusan · 25/04/2014 08:54

Think about this.

I am a young man who is married with 2 small dcs.
My wife was my first real sexual partner. Embarrassingly, i have never once orgasmed with my wife , sure she orgasms but I don't. I can't feel affection towards her , I am knackered after looking after our dcs all day,everyday whilst she works all the time .

I don't have any real friends here, all my family live on the other side of the world, I moved here to be with my dw and sacrificed my friends , family and life back home to be with her.
That was my choice it was also my choice to sacrifice paid work to look after the dcs full time, In order for my wife to concentrate on running our business,
There are times when I feel so alone and resentful about how she is out entertaining clients, meeting new people and I am stuck here, alone with my beautiful dcs who I love but how much more In the Sodding Night Garden can one man take?

I just cannot bring myself to express how I feel to dw, whenever I try all she says is but I help with bath times and washing up my plate , of course that is when she isn't working, usually I have done it all by then.

I feel unable to complain, but something inside me is dying.

I look at old pictures of myself having fun with a good friend back home and think am I selfish to long for something more than this.

My wife moans about the lack of intimacy and she is right. What can I do, I know she has had good sex with other men before me and that makes me feel even more alone and unhappy. The more unhappy I get the more I revert inside myself and throwing myself into caring for the children as really that is all I have got.

I know that she uses porn. That makes me feel so low. How on earth can I compare to all those well endowned, toned gorgeous men with their tight buttocks, full head of hair and six packs, making the women cum every time. And here I am , worthless except for cooking and cleaning our home.

I feel inhibited with my dw but know life shouldn't be like this. I know it's all my fault he resents me, thinks I should be happy.

I just cannot switch from daddy, maid, cleaner mode to sexgod, I know I should but I just can't.

Dw doesn't understand me, she asks what I want in bed but I feel unable to express myself.
I don't have the experience to know what it is I want.

Whenever I say I am exhausted my dw replies so am I after all it's me who's doing the hard work your just at home all day enjoying yourself watching in the night garden. Wish I could do that instead of having all the responsibility of being the only working person in this house. Then what do I get when I come home you moaning and refusing to have sex with me, I might as well fuck that gorgeous guy in accounts the one I was out with last night entertaining clients with till into the early hours.bet he knows how to cum without me having to do all the hard work.

whatsthatcomingoverthehill · 25/04/2014 09:27

Oh do stop with your overwrought nonsense.

BigBoobiedBertha · 25/04/2014 09:33

Yeah nice story and I'm sure that you will tell me that it is based on what the OP says but you have rather embellished it to make it say whatever you want it to say (whatever that is - you haven't spelled it out).

What's your point or are you inviting us to pick it apart? Or perhaps use the same facts to make up another story which would present an opposing view.

The upshot is that male or female, if this person is unable to speak to their partner they should be seeing a counsellor who will help them get over their hang ups so they can say what they need to say and move on. Whether that is to split up or try again would depend what came out of the counselling problem.

Simplesusan · 25/04/2014 09:45

True Bertha unless they don't want to see a counsellor then what?

What's- why is it nonsense? What advice would you give to the man in this scenario?

Simplesusan · 25/04/2014 09:50

What's- is it hitting a raw nerve with you?

Is it because you cannot imagine a man living such an existence is that the problem you having showing any emphathy to someone in that position.

Point is what advice would you give to a man in this position. Certain posters were quick to jump on the bandwagon stating that a woman wouldbe given different advice. I said I would give the same advice.

So what advice would you give if they are unable to discuss it and come to a solution.

I have given my advice as have other logical posters.

Simplesusan · 25/04/2014 09:57

It is all very well telling the op to talk to his wife, he has told you he has tried and it makes no difference. We have to take the ops word for that.

What do you suggest he does next?

Talk again and again?. It is not working.

Their relationship is not working. There is no magical fairy gonna come along and make it work..

So the op can take the sensible advice offered or he can choose to ignore it and suffer .

BigBoobiedBertha · 25/04/2014 10:40

What if they don't want to see a counsellor?

I think the OP is up for it but his wife isn't. I've said several times before, and plenty of others have too - the OP sees a counsellor alone, see if they can't come up with some ideas that we haven't thought and then if that fails they separate. I do think the OP would have been treated differently if he were a woman - some people haven't been very understanding - the first post told him to do more housework. It is just a knee jerk reaction that has happened many times across the thread, like doing a bit of hoovering will sort out their sexual hang ups. It won't. My advice would still be the same - man or woman.

Whatever happens, given the way the OP feels, something has to change or they will just both become more miserable and resentful and probably hate each other in 10 yrs time. Not a nice way to live for the children. The marriage may not be salvageable and there is no easy way of going through that.

I don't really see the point of the story though. What are you trying to prove? Their situation is what it is, this isn't really a time gender politics and speculating what it would be like if it were the other way round. Besides you are guessing how the wife feels we have no way of knowing because she won't say.

Offred · 25/04/2014 10:49

I think the last post of Susan's went a bit far tbh but can understand the frustration.

Surely you can see that when people keep saying the op would have been treated differently if he was female that is talking about gender politics, that is initiating a talk about gender politics.

These threads can't be free of gender politics anyway since sexual and familial relationships are still so heavily defined by gender politics, which are often contributing causes or the main cause of the actual problem which is very often then compounded by lack of productive communication.

Saying it isn't the place for discussing gender politics whilst making a point about the perceived gender politics of mumsnet affecting this thread seems a little hypocritical.

BigBoobiedBertha · 25/04/2014 11:18

No it isn't gender politics. It is trying to steer the conversation away from treating the OP any differently from any other poster, not trying to strike up a conversation how they are different.

Perhaps we should stop saying being so harsh and be done with it. However, I don't see any other reason for treating him differently other than people trying to make this about the battle of the sexes. There seems to be a certain amount of point scoring. We don't have to analyse the implications of the gender politics in order to tell people to leave it aside for another time and a thread in FWR.

BigBoobiedBertha · 25/04/2014 11:20

Why can't we treat people as individuals?