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The Dating Thread 73.

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MadeMan · 19/04/2014 12:09

Hello and welcome.

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dontcallmehon22 · 26/04/2014 00:59

I like Toryboy but he irritates me in equal measures. He's not the one. I'll see him again though.

whitedoorbell · 26/04/2014 08:26

ladies I am feeling scared.
I had a lovely time last night with baldy and I think there is a real danger of falling for him... but what if he doesn't feel the same.

I am not talking about rushing into a full blown serious relationship but I guess I want some reassurance. .. what do you do?

should I speak to him and be truthful?
"I am really enjoying gettinf to know you but I can't do friends with benefits. is that ALL you want"????

Don't want any promises just to know that in his mind it is not 100% sex and he is just lookong to get his rocks off...

what do I do? or if I do nothing how do I stop dwelling on it?

jesy · 26/04/2014 09:04

White I k ow how you feel I would love to ask Mr IT whats happening but I'm not that brave lol.

It's so hard playing it cool I messed up last night so back up again today .

dontcallmehon22 · 26/04/2014 09:27

Maybe chat to him honestly, white?

Right. Think I dodged a bullet. Was meant to be meeting geekyalike on tinder - Friday in the park. I messaged to say I couldn't and he said 'you will meet me, dont.' I kept saying no and he said 'you are making me upset, dont.
You will meet me. I will come to your house and we will spend the morning together.' I kept saying no. He kept saying'you're not being fair to me, dont. I am upset. I just want to please you. I will come to your house.' He wouldn't
take no for an answer. I blocked. Thank God I didn't meet him in the park. It's a huge park with lots of dark hidden spaces.

dontcallmehon22 · 26/04/2014 09:29

I want to message geeky. Unfortunately toryboy took me to the bar where I first met geeky last night. Sad

jesy · 26/04/2014 09:39

Don't

That is always a funny thing ,going somewhere it ex took you ,I had a fling last year and even now each time I go passed the marina I think of first time he kissed me one of those gentle kisses to side of head lol.

louby44 · 26/04/2014 09:42

white maybe you should have the conversation about where it's going. Otherwise, you're going to end up building your hopes up!

don't sounds like a lucky escape!

jesey I think you sound lovely, have more faith in yourself!

Mildly disappointed about my cancelled date with MrTall I was looking forward to spending a nice evening in, eating and drinking! These men are just as complicated as us ladies I suppose. I wonder whether he thought sex would be on the cards and he wouldn't be able to deliver? ha!

Onwards...

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jesy · 26/04/2014 09:51

Louby

Thank you but I've been teased about having big boobs all my life it made .e self conscious .
I can live with the big boobs although I'd love a reduction but nhs won't fund it , not enough back pain , depression etc.
But it's my fat tummy a child recently asked me if I had a baby in my tummy.
Mr IT doesn't seem to notice but I think last week in pub when I couldn't even get to wash my hands coz of all the skinny girls knocked my confidence.

FolkGirl · 26/04/2014 10:37

jarlin With regards to not seeing him as 'forever', there are number of things that influence it really. Things from my side that are emotional and things from his side that are logistical.

Firstly, I don't really think I would ever be someone's 'The One' (although we did do something when we were away and he said that all he'd ever wanted was a gf he could do that with! - not a dodgy sex thing, to be clear Wink ). I don't think anyone will ever be sufficiently interested, or love me enough for forever. It's a bit like paper aeroplanes. Sometimes you make one well enough or throw it well enough for it to fly for some distance, but eventually it runs out of momentum or whatever and it falls, however hard you try or however much you will it not to. That's how I see it all/'love'. So I don't see it as being 'forever' - as much as I like the idea of it!

Which is an improvement, because when I first started posting on the dating threads I was still at the stage of believing I was completely unloveable. I'm not there anymore, but believing anyone could genuinely love me enduringly? Tbh, I just don't see it. There's always going to be someone younger, thinner, more attractive. There's always going to be temptation and I just don't think I am enough for someone to resist temptation. So I don't really see a 'forever' in that sense.

Secondly, I've had two LTR and have a child from each. Each one I believed would be 'forever' but, in retrospect, both were abusive. The first was emotionally and physically, the second emotionally and financially. My upbringing was emotionally and physically abusive. So I don't really trust my judgement and I still feel quite fragile and panicky at the thought of anything long term because it feels quite claustrophobic. I also now associate LTRs with restriction and control and I quite like my freedom.

Thirdly, he's not British and he hasn't decided to move here permanently. He's travelled extensively and I'm not sure the wanderlust has left him yet. He has made comments recently about finding it all a bit tiring/considering a more 'normal' life and I know he likes it here... but I don't know how long he's been saying that for, or about how many places! And, tbh, I find it quite reassuring that I know it will end, I just don't know when. So I don't have to worry about whether this could be 'forever' because I already know it isn't.

In the meantime, he's very kind and thoughtful. He's honest with me. He doesn't make promises he knows he can't keep. And he appears to genuinely care about me. The other day he said something that upset me very mildly and briefly. It was my own fault for asking (I knew he'd be honest, you see) and I knew it was true. I was only mildly upset by it and the way he reassured me, well, I don't think anyone has ever made me feel so secure about anything else ever. I hope that I'm going to have my first ever genuine love affair with him. And if I woke up in 5 years time and found it was still going on, I'd be quite happy with that. But I'm also open to the prospect that it could end in the next few months. I wouldn't want it to, but who knows. And I would be sad, but not heartbroken or betrayed. I don't think I ever want to feel betrayed ever again and there's only one way I can guarantee that...

Sorry, I am aware that my posts are always really long! In my defence, I type really quickly, almost as quickly as I have the thoughts in the first place so, sorry about that!

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dontcallmehon22 · 26/04/2014 11:06

I think that does make a lot of sense folk.

I feel low. So glad I didn't meet dodgy geekyalike in the park.

Toryboy wants to see me again for some odd reason, even though I talked about geeky incessantly.

I want to message geeky. Can't get him out of my head.

FolkGirl · 26/04/2014 11:08

Scarey Ha yes, that would have been a much shorter and simpler way of explaining it, wouldn't it?! Grin

He isn't Mr Right, but he is definitely Mr Right Now.

It seems like a strange concept to me. I was brought up to believe that a woman who isn't in a relationship is a failure and that if the relationship ends for any reason, then the woman has failed (hence sticking with 2 shitty LTRs for so long!!)

But I don't see it like that anymore.

There's a line in Lou Reed's Legendary Hearts that sort of sums it up for me, "I'm good for just a kiss, not legendary love". It makes me a little sad sometimes that that's how I feel. But I know I'll never trust anyone enough for real love.

FolkGirl · 26/04/2014 11:13

dont It sounds like you definitely had a lucky escape there! Don't message Geeky! Stay strong and stay with us. He's like the Gorgon, isn't he? You know you shouldn't look but feel compelled to... She was bad for you and so is he. Wink

louby44 · 26/04/2014 11:21

Whenever I text/meet someone new I'm fine and happy that I'm actively 'out there' but the minute I (or they) decide that it's not going to work out I start thinking about my ex and how I'll never meet anyone.

Does anyone else feel like this?

SuperFlyHigh · 26/04/2014 12:08

folk - that sounds interesting and makes sense re forever. But I'd almost say, with his possible plans/your insecurities etc - how do you know how things are going to pan out forever, you don't!

I suggest you read 'Sans Moi' by Marie Desplechin (about the au pair from hell but great on relationships!) - it deals with the mother's relationship (friendship) with the au pair, but also her own love affairs. Really insightful if hard going but very touching. In fact everyone should read it!

dont - geekyalike sounds awful, steer clear well I would.

I see what you mean about Tory Boy too but some men are like this - the more you're not keen or like someone else the harder they try to impress you. If it were me I'd give Tory Boy another chance but I think you're still not over Geeky so in a sense (I think I said this before) you'll never meet anyone who'll trump him!

SuperFlyHigh · 26/04/2014 12:12

louby - if I'm not totally over the ex boyfriend who I was hung up on (City Boy was one of these) and then I date after THEN I have the thoughts about my ex. I tell you what helped me though, therapy and CBT (not for relationships originally for bullying at work!).

The thing I found is if you're hung up on someone and your/their insecurities about it then ultimately until you clear that hurdle you'll always be hung up on them, have the same issues, and therefore not in the right place to meet anyone new? does that make sense?

I've seen jokey stuff on internet about "how to get over a man he's always on my mind" - and I had that for AGES with City Boy, but the crux now is I do sometimes think about him, I like him and liked him a lot but he wasn't good for me and didn't make me feel secure. It took about 18 months to get over him and from January 2013 until summer 2013 I was hung up on him though we'd broken up in 2012.

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whitedoorbell · 26/04/2014 13:41

don't sounds like a lucky escape

louby good attitude. .. onwards and upwards

whitedoorbell · 26/04/2014 13:49

louby I can relate to that except its not my ex that I think about. it is my failures in the past and my insecurities.

I had some counselling during my last LTR and counsellor said I had to leave the past in the past. its not that easy in reality.

I find it fine doing all the flirting etc but when it comes to the nitty gritty I get terrified that they won't like the real me. is shit Sad

whitedoorbell · 26/04/2014 13:56

so after much agonising I rang baldy and told him that I wasn't up for being a fuck buddy and that I wanted to be exclusive.

poor bloke think he thought I wanted him to make a proper commitment to me and sounded terrified lol

I explained that I don't want any guarantees about the future but don't want to be used. he said "but white I would never do that to you"

seems I may have been worried about nothing as I believe he is a decent bloke. we have agreed to be exclusive and if we feel that it isn't working to tell eachother and be straight.

so am happy with that Smile

now to wait and see if he backs off because I scared him. .. jesus this whole thibg is a minefield. .. but glad I came clean. I think that if he can't appreciate my honesty then ge isn't right for me

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whitedoorbell · 26/04/2014 13:58

that is my brave face talking. I am glad I said it but really terrified he will run a mile Sad

whitedoorbell · 26/04/2014 14:01

don't let's stay strong together and keep eachother on track.

Remember we all deserve nothing less than the best xx

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