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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - thread 29

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CharlotteCollins · 05/04/2014 22:59

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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CurtWild · 28/07/2014 17:59

charlotte yeah he is..I feel very much like doing a tribal woman type wail but I'll refrain. Now the novelty of living so close has worn off, and he's finally realised I'm not up for reconcilliation, he's lost the charm routine and turned back into the selfish, immature, knob I remember so well. It's all a joke to him. I'm finding it really hard to keep to the higher ground lately, too. Grrrr..

CharlotteCollins · 28/07/2014 18:02

It is very frustrating dealing with an adult who never grew up and never will. Nothing like Peter Pan in the slightest...

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Offred · 28/07/2014 18:21

I don't even know tbh. He has a very different view from my experience and I feel very confused and upset about it.

I feel like he really built me up and is now really knocking me down. Was very intense at first put me under a lot of pressure to be serious about him when I was unsure.

I struggled to commit but when I did I feel he became much more distant. I have recently acknowledged the extent of some lies he's been telling me (related to his work and how often he'd be available) which have basically conned me into the relationship/spending money on him/getting him a very expensive dog that I care for (mug) because he doesn't have time to.

Obviously I've been very upset about it but he says my emotional reactions scare him into lying to me.

When I get upset he blames me.

When I've asked him things he has directly lied to my face and called me crazy, insecure, accused me of having trust issues on occasion etc.

He invites me to things with his friends/workmates sometimes and then says I have anxiety and ruin for him but when I've said I didn't want to go he's said he is just trying to include me in his life like I've been asking to be.

When I go to these things often his friends will casually say things that demonstrate he has been lying to me. He either denies he's been lying or he says I'm being nasty about him to his friends when I get upset.

He won't let me talk about my feelings without getting defensive or withdrawing, he's never around to support me with anything emotionally but he feels entitled to my support with not much notice.

Loads more... I just can't get my head around the thought that this guy who was so loving and kind at the start could turn into the guy that makes me feel like this.

I am really having such a hard time letting go of my image of him. Dreamed about him being lovely last night and woke up with a start to an utterly sinking feeling when I realised we are on a break.

Offred · 28/07/2014 18:27

I just wish he was that person. I still hope that he is. I'm very scared that he is not and although I made several attempts to get out of the relationship in the past I feel I no longer have the strength to because I'm so invested in wanting him to be everything he has promised me.

Offred · 28/07/2014 18:30

I keep telling myself he's been very stressed at work, that he is right and I'm a difficult person and then thinking about my lovely workmate who bought my lunch for me and cuddled me in the kitchen when I thought I'd got in early enough to have a secret cry but hadn't who said I had to stop making excuses for him and blaming myself. That he just doesn't make me happy. :(

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 28/07/2014 18:41

Offred Based on what you're saying, I'd have to vote for "he's a twat." Give yourself a fair bit of time apart. It takes awhile for the "spaghetti head" to disappear and allow you to think objectively again. Sounds like you are much better off without him. Sorry.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 28/07/2014 18:43

Curt I think maybe next time he texts you asking for an "unscheduled" contact visit (especially after he deliberately missed the regular visit), you'd be best to say NO. No reasons, no excuses, just No. He had the opportunity to visit, he chose to play games instead. Check and mate, buddy. He's doing this to wind you up. Detach and ignore.

CharlotteCollins · 28/07/2014 18:55

^he says my emotional reactions scare him into lying to me

So even his lying is your fault? Tick it off on your abuser bingo card: "blames me for his behaviour." You cannot cause other people's behaviour and you must own your own decisions. He is not doing that.

Being stressed at work doesn't make decent people blame others for everything.

Being really lovely at the beginning is also on the bingo card - and is why one of the reasons it's so hard to let go.

Allow yourself a good mope and then do something positive that makes you feel good about yourself.

How long are you setting for the break, in the first instance?

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CharlotteCollins · 28/07/2014 18:56

Oops, italics fail!

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Offred · 28/07/2014 19:00

At least one week.

I have been onto the dv helpline who have done their bit at convincing me. I've also got a telephone assessment with my local organisation on Tuesday next week but that may be after I have spoken to him. Confused

I feel like I'm in a washing machine.

It could be true couldn't it? That I am 'fiery' and scare him? But I said to him he always said he loved me for that even when it was directed at him at the start and that if that was how he really felt why didn't he let me break up with him or break up with me instead of using me and stringing me along and harbouring all this resentment he apparently has been. :(

Offred · 28/07/2014 19:03

I feel like he reassured me about my fears (ex h also said I scared him into being dishonest/passive aggressive) and now he's playing on them.

CharlotteCollins · 28/07/2014 19:07

Pfft. If you scare him, then leave him for good for his own sake.

A week is no time. How about six? How about a year?

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Offred · 28/07/2014 19:09

A week is about the right amount of time, six weeks will mean I romanticise him.

CurtWild · 28/07/2014 19:10

alice I pretty much put a stop to the 'just popping in' but after DD1 was asking for him today, I (stupidly) thought yeah, why not let him drop in. In hindsight I should've said no. He's once again shown what a wanker he is, and it is beginning to look like this is all to get a rise out of me. Detach and ignore is so hard sometimes, as I just want to tell him what a pratt he is!!

Offred · 28/07/2014 19:11

And he thinks I am out of order for being upset about being stood up, him making crude sexual jokes at lonely elderly women and vulnerable teenagers. Him going on holiday with a girl he had been 'in love with' (unrequited) 6 months before and who he'd tried to shag at the last similar event they went to. I don't even think I get excessively emotional. I get angry and critical but I think justifiably so.

Offred · 28/07/2014 19:13

Or I cry.

But I'm always upset articulately about something he has done which is quite bad really. I don't just fly into a rage about nothing.

CharlotteCollins · 28/07/2014 19:30

It certainly sounds like he's the one with a problem, not you. Telling you it's you is just one indication that it's his problem, iyswim!

Your post of 19:11 has a nice couple of points to start off a shitlist of all the stuff he does in case you're about to romanticise him.

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AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 28/07/2014 19:42

Offred honestly, I'm struggling to see any good points in him. Any man worth his salt is not going to be intimidated or afraid of an outspoken woman. The reason he tells you this is to make you think that you cannot voice your opinion or disagree with him, for fear of upsetting him. Complete and utter bollocks.

Offred · 28/07/2014 19:54

The reason he tells you this is to make you think that you cannot voice your opinion or disagree with him, for fear of upsetting him

Yes because he feels threatened by his bad behaviour being exposed. He has a fragile ego. Can't take criticism so wants to behave badly with impunity, feels that me saying I wanted to break up because I didn't want to change him and him pressuring me to not break up with him is me "trying to change" him... Pffft... Of course this would be me being nasty about him. But calling him out on bad behaviour (which is often actually quite nasty and humiliating for me to experience) is not me being nasty about him is it?

Offred · 28/07/2014 19:58

He has been lovely though in the past. Helped me through breaking up with my husband before we were seeing each other (different spin on that now though possibly).

He phoned rape crisis once because he was so worried about how I was coping with previous abuse.

He is very affectionate and we've had some great fun and happy memories but they just hurt when I think of them now. :( The prospect that they were never real and the feeling that I'd never been in love or happy so freely as at those times when he was loving, caring, honest, communicative and attentive.

Offred · 28/07/2014 20:00

He made me feel (and told me) that he really loved me inside and out for all the good and bad things. Now he's bringing up the same things as reasons why he's treated me so badly.

daiseehope · 28/07/2014 21:13

What a mess we all get in! My kids are 6, 9 and 13 so I will not be leaving our home!
I second that Aaaaaaaaargh and wish I'd written a spaghetti head song too ??

Offred · 28/07/2014 21:48

My two daughters just left me a note while I was having a secret ciggie. It said "love you mummy, we've brought you this doggie to look after you because you've got a broken heart" :(

BluebellTuesday · 29/07/2014 06:38

Offred, massive hugs to you. This relationship sounds massively damaging to you. I would have to agree that there is probably a different spin on helping you through your break-up, in so far as you were very vulnerable at that point, as regardless of what caused your marital breakdown, it is a massive emotional upheaval.

The fact that he put pressure on you to get serious quickly in such circumstances is a massive red flag, I think.

I think, regarding the nice times, of course you had them or you would not have been in, or stayed in, the relationship. The point is that they have not lasted, he is not behaving well to you now. I think partly it is the memory of the good times which keeps people in bad relationships, in the hope of recapturing them.

BluebellTuesday · 29/07/2014 06:45

Curt, it is a learning experience. You were not stupid to give him another chance to see DC; he is the one being an idiot. But from this, you now have some clear strategies for asserting boundaries around contact. I found it really helpful to write my boundaries re contact down; so I was consistent in what I was doing.