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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - thread 29

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CharlotteCollins · 05/04/2014 22:59

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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Noregrets78 · 30/05/2014 21:35

Gah that man drives me insane. DD has been NC with him for around a month, having previously been smothered by him 3 nights a week. She's been a happy relaxed child for a change, although a few times very distressed, eaten up by guilt at how she knows he must be feeling.

So tonight she decided she really wanted to speak to him. He never once asked her how she was. Spent ages ranting on about how he hadn't done anything wrong, and didn't deserve the way he'd been treated. How fed up and lonely he'd been. DD has come away feeling worse not better. He doesn't even realise that all of this is clues as to how he can't even empathise with how others might be feeling. Literally me me me.

What am I supposed to do? Best for her is to forget all about him. But if I refuse to let her contact him when she wants to, then I create some kind of 'tragic hero' in her brain, and drive a wedge between her and me. Can't win Confused

CharlotteCollins · 30/05/2014 22:47

Do you sit in on their conversations? If not, maybe it would be helpful to ask her questions like, "Did you tell him about x? Did he ask about y?" And maybe a (yet another) reminder that adults look after themselves and children don't look after adults.

I've been listening to Laci Green, a recent discovery. That woman really understands FWs.

thats, thinking of you. The call to ncdv sounds anxiety-inducing.

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thatsnotmynamereally · 31/05/2014 01:01

All ok here, same old situation. lots of nasty texts then a (begging) phone call when his car had broken down, I've picked him up and car safely towed, bit of an adventure but he can't be angry with me so have bought time. Solicitor booked for Tuesday anyway.

Noregrets78 · 31/05/2014 01:21

charlotte I sit right next to her so can hear both sides... sometimes I wonder if I should just step in, take the phone and say 'that's an unacceptable conversation to be having with her'. She's doing pretty well at realising that he's in the wrong without me saying too much. She really wanted to see him tomorrow, so I gave him a ring about it - but he's unwilling to discuss unless we first have a conversation about the effect that all this has had on him. Still hasn't asked me how DD is.

He's just lining up excuses to drop her, and blame me. Drives me bonkers. No effort at all to fight for his DD.

thats good to hear you've been able to buy some time. Good luck with the solicitor.

thatsnotmynamereally · 31/05/2014 02:37

noregrets so sad for your DD. awful that she has to fell guilty, it's so hateful of him, so selfish. Can't help with suggestions but I'm sure that by just being there for her it's helping. Give her a big hug.

CharlotteCollins · 31/05/2014 09:38

That is sad, noregrets ... although it's also a little bit funny that he doesn't realise how much dropping her would benefit her!

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Noregrets78 · 31/05/2014 15:35

Thanks both. I've explained as neutrally as possible that he still can't see what he does wrong, and can't see past his own feelings to think about anything else.

The alternative is to explain that Daddy will see you as long as you grovel, apologise, and put him first. Because you, DD, are of no worth compared to him, and you must be bonkers for getting upset about being emotionally abused.

I have a feeling he's lining up the excuses to go to another town 200 miles away in the near future. Here's hoping...

CurtWild · 31/05/2014 16:08

Short lived truce. He was being a complete knob on the phone so I hung up. Told him to text only. Refused his calls. He now says he'll take me to court, that by not answering his calls I'm obstructing him seeing our DC and that he has 11 rejected calls which looks bad from my end. I told him I'm not obliged to answer his calls and have requested texts only many times. So it could be seen as harassment, right? He's now saying the gloves are off and there are no rules to this game etc. His texts are borderline threatening. I know he's a nasty piece of work and pretty much capable of some dodgy stuff. He reported me to the police earlier this year for getting wallpaper paste on his jacket, said I'd assaulted him. I didn't. I tried to clean it off ffs. They never even sent anyone out to get my side - the truth!! He's now talking about pressing charges. I'm frightened. I haven't done anything wrong. I've put up with his shittiness so he could see our DC in our home. What can I do??

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2014 16:15

CurtWild Report him to the police. You need to stay right on top of it. Tell them he is harassing you. Do it now, don't wait. Tell them he is now threatening also to waste police time by bringing up false charges and you've had enough.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2014 16:17

The thing is, you've told him if he harasses you, you'll report him to the police. If you don't do it, you might as well wave the white flag and let him walk all over you. This will back up what you say.

CurtWild · 31/05/2014 16:50

He's awful. I've had a lovely day with our DC and he's wrecked it. He says he'll take them away from me. Do I call 101? I should've done it weeks ago when he threatened to punch me in the face in front of our DC. He did report the false assault but no one came to speak to me, now he says he can press charges. But he lied, I didn't do anything! Can he press false charges without them having spoken to me to get the real story? Absolute mess. I hate him.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2014 16:56

No, they would speak to you first. Yes, ring 101 and report the harassment. And make sure you get an incident number and write it down.

Each and every time he continues to harass you, you need to let the police know. That's how they build up a solid case against him. But remember, that's paperwork as a tool to eventually arrest him if need be. You still need to be careful to protect yourself and keep yourself safe. Do NOT make yourself vulnerable by letting him in your house. Public places only if he's made threats. Public places where there are witnesses that can either step in to help or ring police if he gets awful.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2014 16:57

And make sure if they ask you if you will press charges, that you say YES. 1- it makes the lines much more clear for the police - you are a victim, and you want something done. 2- it shows your stbxh that you are not playing around. 3- in the long run, it's better, for your safety and for your case.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2014 16:58

Oh, and don't delete anything from your phone, they'll need to see it.

CurtWild · 31/05/2014 17:18

I keep everything. That's why he refuses text communication, because he knows I have a record then. I'm going to have to wait til DC go to sleep, can't hear myself think right now. Do I tell the police everything even if it's a few weeks ago? Will they send someone out? This is just awful.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2014 17:31

Tell them all of it. They will figure out what's relevant and what isn't. But do not talk yourself out of it.

I know it's easy to say from over here, and not there where you are, but this is where it gets serious. He needs to see that this is not on. If you don't get tough with him about the harassment, he will just continue harassing you because there are no negative consequences to it. It also provides a paper trail if his behaviour escalates, which will protect you legally in the long run.

CurtWild · 31/05/2014 18:34

I actually feel physically sick. Why do I feel like he's been planning this all along while idiot here tried to keep things amicable? I can't even focus on bedtime for my DC. I'm trying to get things straight in my head for after they've settled down but it's one big jumbled mess of stuff. I'm going to look like an idiot if the police come and I can't make it all make sense to them. This is not me, I'm not weak anymore, so why am I such a mess?

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2014 19:34

Just take a deep breath and remember that the police are there to help and protect you not to trip you up or make things worse. It's a bit scary taking it to the next level and involving police, but he's counting on you not having the nerve, so he can keep on harassing and bullying you. You can do this. You need to protect yourself.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2014 22:44

CurtWild you okay?

Noregrets78 · 31/05/2014 23:24

curt I called 101 after threatening calls - they came to see me, and called him to warn him off. It did the world of good - clearly he thought I was blowing things out of all proportion, but it was a line in the sand, and he knew I wouldn't take it any more. Things calmed down and I was no longer jumpy. Hope you're OK.

Albienon · 01/06/2014 11:06

Good morning everyone, forgive me for just dropping in-I wanted to just say a huge thank you for everyone on this thread and offer a ray of hope for anyone currently having a really awful time.

This thread offered me the majority of the momentum I needed to leave a FW last year, was awful at the time but 6 months later I am so much happier (not hard-I was bloody miserable!)

Don't want this to sound self indulgent-just thought I'd say as I know lots of people probably post and then disappear-just wanted to say thank you Thanks and that all is well Smile

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 01/06/2014 11:11

Albienon glad to hear you are doing well now. It's amazing the difference getting out from under that constant pressure can be - it's so hard to think clearly and independently when you're constantly bombarded.

Doesn't sound self indulgent at all. Always good to hear a positive outcome! Smile Congratulations on getting out and moving on!

CharlotteCollins · 06/06/2014 21:17

Just bumping so that people know there are people still here and it's still a safe and supportive place to post.

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kittybiscuits · 06/06/2014 23:18

Thanks for bumping charlotte . I have started my own journey to leave but have a long way to go. Nevertheless I have made my decision and I say very little to him however much of a twat he is being. albienon brilliant that you have liberated yourself.

curt I really hope you're ok. I followed your threads. You sound so distressed x

CharlotteCollins · 08/06/2014 18:22

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Making the decision is a very important one - and quite liberating in itself.

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