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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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Clutterbugsmum · 14/07/2014 12:00

I wouldn't even bother with a note at all. He stopped all points of contact with you, and is getting updates from nursery then he allready knows about sports day.

Then if he contacts you just tell him you are at ** sports afternoon and leave it at that.

EarthWindFire · 14/07/2014 12:32

Just a point, but if you are cancelling contact then are you offering an alternative date? Courts would want you to be seen to be doing this rather than just cancelling.

Anniegetyourgun · 14/07/2014 12:48

But she can't offer him anything, can she? He's cut off contact!

AcrossthePond55 · 14/07/2014 15:15

I think it's all about appearances. The note is a good idea as it shows a 'concern' that Mr WT was not able to see DS. I'd even add 'please contact me if you wish to arrange another day'. It reinforces the notion that our MrsC cares about access. But it puts the rescheduling squarely in Mr WT's court. Right now it's all about what looks fair and cooperative to the courts. The very last thing one would want would be to look obstructive or spiteful to a judge.

As always, MrsC will come through smelling like a rose. He will continue to look like a putz.

pointythings · 14/07/2014 15:55

I think it's going to be quite clear in court that MrsC has done everything by the book - records of messages sent and so on all in place. There are two adults in this situation, if one of them is sabotaging himself by making himself uncontactable by any means, then that person is going to have to face the consequences.

And lastly, contact is for the benefit of the child not the parent. One could argue quite legitimately that breaking the routine of nursery by not going to a planned event is not in the child's best interest on this occasion - and so the onus is on the NRP to be flexible and accommodate this. Mr WT is singularly failing to do this, MrsC is trying her best to communicate. It's very clear who's going to look bad in court.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/07/2014 20:14

Very true, pointy. I did NOT mean to insinuate our MrsC would look bad. Just speaking in general terms.

Pinkballoon · 14/07/2014 23:11

I wrote that note! :) It's aimed at portraying her as a particularly polite and co-operative mother to the court. Its not aimed at him!

MrsC1969HJ · 15/07/2014 12:46

Right ladies, I have a problem. I did indeed put that note in with a package of letters, one related to the current financial order application, one related to divorce costs he has not paid but was ordered to do so and one about general issues related to our son. He has refused to sign for it this morning according to the Royal Mail website. So, talk about stick your head in the sand. I will indeed have to leave a further note on the front door this tomorrow but I am seriously considering halting access now as he has completely cut off contact and refuses to communicate with me. How can I let him take my son under those circumstances? He made quite clear in that illiterate email a few posts back that he would only read items related to his son..and has failed to do so. What a total twat. I am considering now hand delivering all his post to his registered business address which is in fact the same as hers (ie : the salon). How do you deal with somebody like this? Am fuming!

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pointythings · 15/07/2014 13:06

OK, so first you make sure you get a screen shot of his refusal to sign for the package of letters - that's more evidence to bury him with.

Re the access I think you need some professional advice - are you currently representing yourself? If not, I think you do need to invest some money in advice from your solicitor to make sure that whatever action you take puts you on the right side of the law and the moral argument.

You cannot let him take your son under these circumstances. All you can do is keep on communicating - offering contact opportunities, preferably supervised - and recording your attempts to facilitate contact. If you do put a note on his front door, photograph it.

Do you think he will actually turn up in court? I wonder.

smilingeyes79 · 15/07/2014 13:07

Hi.... long time lurker here

You are a seriously wonderful kick ass woman ... so strong yet calm.

I would have either gone lala by now or be doing time for him lol

I know this would involve costs but you can appoint a bailiff to deliver post .... Costs but a friend only needed to do this once because the arrival of the bailiff showed she meant business.
I am sure you will get loads of really good advice and i will slink back to the background .... Good luck xx

MrsC1969HJ · 15/07/2014 13:53

Smilingeyes79 thank you for such a lovely post, believe me, there's a lot of punching of pillows, I just think I am living some twilight existence that will one day be normal. I am considering bailiff delivery, it may be the only way. Thank you for being there xx

Pointy Yes, I am going to have to take advice. I will also print off the Royal Mail thingy that says refused and I will make sure I have a copy of note on door in the morning. Neighbour's son "A" is going to be around tomorrow and he says will speak to Mr WT when he arrives, mainly about the electrics which are so dangerous and he's refusing to resolve and the fact he has had to help me this afternoon as the electric garage door has blown and crashed down (could have killed somebody). God I am fuming today, how can anybody be so resoundingly stupid and why am I even asking that question? I think for now I am going to insist on return to contact centre if he will not communicate.

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pointythings · 15/07/2014 14:01

Return to contact centre is definitely the way to go. It proves that you are willing to facilitate contact no matter what and puts the ball firmly in his court.

I'm sorry Mr WT is putting you through so much - does he not realise his DS lives in this house with the faulty electrics? Is that OK by him? Have you got documented correspondence with him about this matter as well as about everything else? Because if you can show that he is happy for his DS to live in a house with dodgy electrics, that too will go against him. How much longer until all this comes to court anyway? I really wish you a speedy end to all this. Flowers

AcrossthePond55 · 15/07/2014 14:06

I agree with pointy, I think it's time for a visit to a solicitor re access/divorce paperwork. He's made it all but impossible for you to communicate with him, other than standing on his doorstep and pounding on the door (not recommended, btw Grin ).

I also agree that you should not let him take DS when he has left you no way to contact him, but you should clear that with your solicitor, also. This is something that should be addressed in court orders. No contact ability = no access. Because he could say 'fine, here's my number' then promptly turn the phone off.

Must it be a bailiff to deliver papers? Here it can be done by anyone not involved in the action. DH joyfully delivered the divorce action to the cheating ex-wife of a friend of his. Then he had to sign a paper that he had done so. Saved his friend a few bucks and made DH's day.

Honestly, his idiocy knows no bounds. Yy to copying refusal. Possibly adding to note for door 'per your request I had sent you a notice about this, however you refused delivery of the letter.'?

MrsC1969HJ · 15/07/2014 16:44

Arggghhhh, just frustrated beyond belief today. I have just spoken to the electrician in relation to the works with the house and Mr WT has gone radio silent on him, ignoring calls and emails, the guy even tried a third party who they have both worked for and nothing. I have decided that I am going to report him and his company to Trading Standards and I am also going to the local press. Sod this, I have had enough. His SON lives here and he leaves us in this situation with work that I simply can't afford to pay for, work that he did that is dangerous. I have written a letter that will be pinned to the front door tomorrow..no more contact unless at contact centre, unless he can prove he is 100% contactable and all mail now going to be hand delivered to OW's salon where his business is registered. See how long that lasts! Enough!! :-(

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Pinkballoon · 15/07/2014 18:53

In terms of the post, what I tend to do is send one copy of the letter by normal post with proof of postage. So you only pay for a 1st class stamp and the post office gives you a receipt showing that it was sent to that address (postcode etc on receipt.) Which is enough to prove that you sent it and he received it. He's not going to be able to anticipate when and what the postman/woman is going to deliver. Also send a copy Recorded Delivery, and its up to him whether or not he signs for that copy, because you have enough proof from the proof of postage receipt.

I wouldn't send it to the OW's business address as he can probably get away with saying that that is not an address where he can be contacted.

How are the texts being bounced back? In terms of the emails being bounced back, that may just be him doing a Holiday Response in his email options. I'd stick to written stuff.

Jengnr · 15/07/2014 19:16

I'm not sure of the wisdom of this in terms of the court case but I think you have done everything you can be reasonably expected to do.

In tour shoes I would let him contact me now I think. And then tell him he can see him in a contact centre. You've been putting yourself out for far too long now and he has shut you down at every opportunity.

You are handling this brilliantly btw. I've been following from the start.

LBZT · 15/07/2014 19:34

Have to admit I kinda agree with others stop contact until he contacts you and then suggest contact center. Document why etc for court but he has shut you down to the point that you have no choice. May be wise to get some legal advice here just in case maybe CAB? I wouldn't suggest anything in a letter to him I would just state that without a way of contacting him contact will be stopped until communication lines have been re-opened. I look forward to hearing from you in regards to arranging future access.
Then hopefully when he does you go down the road of contact center.

MrsC1969HJ · 15/07/2014 20:08

Thank you everybody for responses, I have really had it today. Firstly, I need to clarify a few things. We are not going to court over DS, Mr WT has not made an application in that regard and as you know CPS decided not to pursue so until he makes an application, if he ever does, then I can decide on access as the resident parent. The court case is for finances only. On that basis, I have to write to him about issues related to that in order that everything is documented. He ASKED me to write to him about DS rather than have any sort of text/email/phone contact which is exactly what I have done. I even marked the outside of the envelope with the contents, so he has actually failed in his own request! Other things he needs for his court bundle, but no, he decides he's just going to throw it away or refuse to sign, that's fine, it's not me who will have to explain that in court. In terms of making sure post is delivered, his registered and indeed trading address is at her business, hence, it is all going there now. I will inform the court that a bailiff service will be required for court documents. As Pointy says, I am wondering if he will even turn up!

Somebody said to me today that it looks as if he is literally trying to wipe us out of his life and I suspect he actually wants me to stop access so that he can tell everybody I have stopped him seeing his son and he will do...I can't be sure but this behaviour is eye watering and I can't find any other explanation. If I had a pound for every person who has said to me recently "this just doesn't sound like him at all", I'd be rich! I suspect he is also being heavily influenced by her. The electrics issue I will deal with separately. A note is going on the door tomorrow...and I will not be allowing access until he communicates with me about this or arranges the contact centre. This is just ridiculous, it's not really worked out he'd planned has it?! Now eating and drinking himself to death as sedation, he looks like a different person, never seen anything like it. Must be wallowing in happiness yawn...

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Pinkballoon · 15/07/2014 22:06

Sounds like he can't take in the enormity (and reality) of what he's done, and what the inevitable consequences of his actions will be i.e. loss of marriage, family, house…. so he's drinking and eating to wipe it all out. And ignoring the communications is a bit like people who won't open their bills - delaying reality too. If all his money comes from OW, then she's probably said no to money for fixing the electrics in your house, as a way of flexing her muscles. And he sounds too weak to do anything about it, so is just ignoring it and hoping it all goes away.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/07/2014 00:55

I think Mr WT was 1000% convinced that he would just be able to walk away with DS and you would have agreed to disappear from his life. All assets would have been cheerfully signed over to him by you. And I think he probably told OW that was how it would be. Now reality is hitting with a vengeance and he isn't able to deal with it. So he has turned mean, nasty, and ugly. He's not giving any thought to the effect of his actions on you, DS, or even himself. That's a scary person to deal with!!

I agree that OW has probably put the kibosh on forking out to fix a home that, in all likelihood, you will retain. Now, to be perfectly honest, I'd probably do the same if a man I was with asked me to pay for his stbx wife's repairs. Actually, I'd never be in her position but you get my drift. This leaves him with no alternative to pay for it himself out of probably nonexistent or limited funds. I'm sure that's coming as quite a shock to him. Frankly, I don't know what you can do. Other than document that he did faulty, dangerous work and hope that the court can order him to rectify it as part of the financial settlement.

As far as DS, since you don't have and no one is seeking court orders, I'd say you can pretty much do whatever you want, as long as you don't put it in writing. What's the worst? He'll file for a court order? As long as you don't have a paper trail where you've actively denied access it would all be he said/she said, right? Based on this, I would put NOTHING in writing regarding access. If he wants to see DS, he can call you.

captainmummy · 16/07/2014 07:53

Agree with everyone and you Mrs. Court all the way. He is an absolute arse and shooting himself in more than the foot.
Re electrics - he is a builder, yes? Did he do the electrics in your house? Is he an electrician too, or just someone who 'knows a bit' about it? If they are dangerous yes I'd report - the building control people would be interested too. You have to submit re-wire proposals if you are doing it yourself (i believe) or get a Part P electrician to do it. Not sure where you go from there tho -if you can't afford it.

springydaffs · 16/07/2014 10:54

Hang on, back, back a bit -

So he started taking steroids? Then BIG personality transplant? Well, yes, that's not surprising. Not excusing, just makes more sense.

Try not to do anything dramatic, lovely eg going to the press. If the local authority were lettingyour idisabled son down then that would be a good news story, but warring couples not so much so. Also, why bother to fume? He's full of shit from the beginning to the end of the universe, you know that. Save your energies, keep your peace xxx

LBZT · 16/07/2014 10:59

Taking steroids?? I missed that could explain things.

Mrsc hope you have a good day.

pointythings · 16/07/2014 13:01

Is he still taking steroids then? What on earth possessed him to do something so stupid?

No, don't go to the press, just carry on doing what you are doing and wait him out. The law will get him in the end, even if he doesn't turn up for his day in court.

MrsC1969HJ · 16/07/2014 22:49

Hello ladies, want to answer all properly but am in a really bad place tonight. Have been so upset about son's first sports day, he was the only one there without his daddy, even the lesbian parents were together. Anyway, having tried to let him know about today...nothing. He turned up to collect DS, I wasn't here, neighbour came out and told him that it was DS's sports day, he said "oh, I didn't know, she didn't tell me"...so neighbour said "she's tried every which way to let you know" and he said "she can't, I've made it so that she can't contact me" so neighbour said "well there you go then, there's a letter on the door for you". He got letter, drove off in huff. He's tried to ring me tonight. I can't speak to him, am too upset and angry so rejected call and switched off phone.

Anyway, back to steroids. I did put in original post. He started injecting steroids last summer. I have since got into his Amazon account and found purchases for needles, sharps boxes and sterile wipes to be delivered to his (then) business address. He had a massive personality change, massive. Was aggressive, sweaty, got body acne, started demanding sex at the most inappropriate times ie : when I was dealing with kids or something like that, had a permanent hard on...on it goes on. He has been seriously brain damaged by them I think. I also think he tested positive for them when he was investigated by the firearms unit and that is why he had the license revoked. They stay in your system for 10 years. I cannot even begin to describe the effect they had on him...and thus, that says it all doesn't it? Total brain damage, he was buying from an unreliable source, was self injecting, I can't tell you what a different person he became. I don't think he's taking them now but whatever he took had a lasting and huge effect on him....so....what do you think? I know many ruined lives from this! xxx

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