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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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PizzaMama · 27/06/2014 08:55

Hey Mrs C - I've been a long time lurker on this thread and just wanted to tell you how much you ROCK!

Don't let the bastard get you down Thanks

MrsC1969HJ · 27/06/2014 11:46

PizzaMama...ahh, I am touched, thank you my darling! I won't...I have just killed and disemboweled him in my head while hoovering the house. Therapy :-) x

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pointythings · 27/06/2014 13:23

Hi, MrsC - you sound pretty upbeat, good on you! I'll look for your update Monday, am going to be off grid for a couple of days visiting my parents in Holland. They have Internet access, but I'm there to support them (dad very ill with Parkinsons and dementia, mum exhausted carer) so sitting around on MN is not going to be on the cards at all.

I hope your court preparations are going well, keep up the good work!

AcrossthePond55 · 27/06/2014 13:45

pointy So sorry to hear about your dad. I wish you a calm and peaceful time and rest for your mum. Take care of yourself, too.

pointythings · 27/06/2014 14:53

Thank you, Across Flowers.

MrsC1969HJ · 27/06/2014 16:41

Pointy, I am so sorry about your Dad and for your Mum, how awful for you all. Hope you have a good trip. We'll still be here when you get back. Be safe xx

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pointythings · 27/06/2014 17:04

Thanks, MrsC. Flowers. You see, this is what is so great about MumsNet - however shit we have it, we can always find strength to support someone else who has it differently shit.

Have a great weekend, will check in Monday!

MrsC1969HJ · 27/06/2014 17:52

Absolutely my darling, have a safe journey xxx

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pointythings · 30/06/2014 08:55

Hi guys, did you have a good weekend? Mine could have been worse - Dad had a good day on Saturday (good for him means able to manage half a conversation and being emotionally settled with only very mild delusional behaviour Sad)

Yesterday he was really bad, perked up a bit just before I left so I could give him a proper goodbye.

My mum has finally realised it is now inevitable that he needs residential nursing care - she is going to have the summer with him and then that's it. It's sad, but it's also a load off my mind as they are very unsafe as they are even with carer input. Mostly I'm relieved that she's going to make the change and of course we will be there to support her. I'm very tired today.

Sorry for the hijack, needed to vent.

MrsC1969HJ · 30/06/2014 10:55

Ahhh Pointy...you vent away...no problem at all and never a hijack. It is so hard when you see your parents, or anybody, going through this. My Nanna had dementia, my Dad is in the early stages (we think) and sometimes you have to make such difficult decisions for all the right reasons. I think your Mum is doing the right thing for what it's worth and you will all feel so much better when Dad is in a safer environment and being cared for. Bless you, sending hugs xx

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MrsC1969HJ · 30/06/2014 11:10

So, I need to update! Sorry I didn't get round to it at the weekend, but I had a date on Saturday (lunch) which was absolutely lovely, really nice guy who I like very much, not my usual type but I have said I will say "yes" to everything after this ordeal and I am so glad I did. Will be seeing him again. He is smitten I think!! I am not sure how much I can "give" at the moment, as still recovering and a way to go, but it was lovely :-).

So, have had an interesting couple of weeks, have had zero contact with him since ridiculous pitiful email about his terrible health. I have realised that he will try anything and even worse, knows that I am a decent person so tries to pull on the heartstrings, it has worked a couple of times but not now. I have filled in my Form A and will today be posting him a very very long letter inviting him to disclose fully, listing everything that was missing from his Form E. I don't expect a response, that is fine, it will just go into my court bundle and they can decide what he has to disclose. I think it will freak him out though as it is clear that I have gone through everything with a fine toothed comb. So, now I have to start putting together my questionnaire in readiness for the hearings. I have a lot to ask as you can imagine! Been receiving help and advice from various quarters, all lovely ladies who have been through this so that really helps. Have been given the name of a legal aid solicitor by a friend whose daughter is in a similar situation to me so I will call him today and see what my position is in terms of funded legal advice.

So, then we had the OW's cousin. Well that was something! I shall call her "OWC". I already knew OWC worked occasionally for my cousin so when she posted something on a social network site to my cousin's husband in relation to OW's business, I took the opportunity and messaged her with the whole sorry mess. She was horrified. I felt a bit sorry for her really. She seemed like a very nice person and of course OW and H had spun a huge lie about their "relationship". OWC had met my H on one occasion and had said that there had been "shock" that OW was seeing somebody so quickly. Said the death of OW's husband had hit the family very hard. I sent all the crappy emails that OW had sent me plus various other screenshots of messages my H had sent to others stating he'd left me for OW so that the proof was there. I understand OWC contacted OW who threatened to speak to her solicitor. Oh dear, please do...sue me for telling somebody about her behaviour!! I have no idea what has happened except that OW lost rather a lot of "friends" overnight. This could all be smoke and mirrors of course, I don't really care, but I will make sure the truth is out there and not have my H going round saying we were "long separated because he'd HAD to leave and OW was helping him"...please go away you pair of lying twats. So, I think I handled it OK, was calm and factual and polite and poor OWC asked me not to compare her with her cousin as she was utterly shocked. Of course I don't. Anyway, made me feel better :-)

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Clutterbugsmum · 30/06/2014 11:32

Glad you enjoyed your date, no need to rush into anything now and there is nothing wrong in finding new friends.

As for OWC I don't see anything wrong in putting the record straight. If they are spreading lies about you and your family then tough it will all come out anyway.

And yes the more people know what and how he/they left/got together then yes decent people will start to move away from them.

MrsC1969HJ · 30/06/2014 11:47

Clutterbugsmum..yes my thoughts exactly. It is bad enough that the kids and I have been put through this ordeal but for them not to have the decency to refer to me in a respectful manner after everything and create a whole pack of lies to cover up their behaviour, I won't tolerate it anymore. If they don't like it, tough! I have been waiting for a solicitors letter all week, but what are they going to say?? I can back up everything I have said because it's all written down, emailed, text, screenshot etc...all in their own hand.

Anyway, date was lovely, I was so nervous but he made me feel at ease straight away, funny, intelligent, just good company :-). Will take it a day at a time. He knows I am battered and has been through this himself, four years ago so it helps to have somebody understand.

Oh and on Saturday, DS came from contact and said "Daddy misses you"...now he is only 3 1/4 so there is room for interpretation with that, but I just said "oh does he"...and changed the subject. I was heartened that H looked absolutely bloody dreadful though and has piled on the weight. I shouldn't be so mean, should I? Wink

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pointythings · 30/06/2014 12:42

You're not being mean, you deserve to see yourself thrive and him - well, the reverse.

I think you are right to have told OWC the truth. If you are in contact in any way, questions will be asked and then you have only three options:

  1. Say 'it's not for me to comment', which will lead to mad speculation,
  2. Lie and say they aren't all that bad, which is actually not an option at all
  3. Tell the truth.

Once these things are out of the box, you need to make your the truth is out there.

So glad your date was a success, I hope your STBXH finds out about it at some point and has a gratifying explosion. Wink

MrsC1969HJ · 30/06/2014 13:23

Absolutely Pointy, you've hit the nail on the head there. Indeed, I will always make sure that the truth is told, without embellishment or drama, whether they like it or not. It's just tough isn't it?

Date was fab, I am sure he will find out at some point. Next date in a couple of weeks when indeed I hope to have a gratifying explosion, or it that too soon?! Wink...ha ha!

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growingolddicustingly · 30/06/2014 13:51

MrsC!!!! You rudey lady you Grin

Just to let you know that I am sending oodles of virtual support even if I don't post to say so that often.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/06/2014 14:36

"Then you will know the truth, and the truth shall set you free". Lots of good words in that Book! Absolutely the truth needed to be 'set free' in your case. Mr WT and OW have had their fun, spreading lies, now it's time for them to pay the piper. She can scream 'sue' as much as she likes. It's not slander/libel if it's true and she knows it. Just trying to scare you. Good luck with that OW, our MrsC is made of sterner stuff than you know!

I'm glad your date was fab. You deserve to be happy and part of that will be an active social life. Enjoy but don't take things too seriously at this stage. You are very strong, but it is still fresh and your heart may be a 'wee bit' vulnerable. Right now you should just float on the top of 'Date Lake' rather than trying to dive to the depths.

pointy We moved my Mum to assisted living 8 months ago. She was having horrible delusions about my poor brother, including calling the police on him. It was a hard decision, we shed many tears, but it was time. She's much happier now and so are we. It's good to know she is properly looked after and safe.

3littlefrogs · 30/06/2014 15:56

Emerging from lurking just to say that I am in awe of you MrsC.

This would make a fantastic "tragedy turned comedy" film/series/soap when it is all over.

MrsC1969HJ · 01/07/2014 22:45

3littlefrogs, thank you so much for reading and lurking! You're right, I am SO going to write a book :-). I really appreciate the ongoing support :-) x

Across Now I thought you might tell me off!! I had to do it and I am glad I did. I am not and never will be scared of them, but we know that don't we? :-). I am not going to rush ahead with anything date wise, it was just lovely though, it is early days, I am still battered beyond belief and still have a lot of tearful moments, so I will be careful and also have to be mindful not to hurt another person if I can't give them what they need...I do keep that in the forefront :-) x

Growingold...LOL, you get me though don't you? ;-) Thank you for being there, I know you are :-) x

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pointythings · 01/07/2014 22:49

MrsC if I were a bloke and not happily married (I know, so many ifs), I would sooo be honoured to date you! Just carry on enjoying yourself, it's all part of the life you deserve. If you are honest with the men you date, it will all come good. You must have the best bullshit radar on the planet by now...

BTW DH and I had a lovely long talk about things with my Dad - he lost both his parents in the space of 4 years and really acknowledged my support then, he has said he wants to do the same for me. He's bloody wonderful.

And I want to read your book. I'm thinking Wendy Holden style, but with a harder edge.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/07/2014 23:18

Me?? Tell someone off? I'm hurt! Wink No, in this case it was setting the record straight. You weren't tittle-tattling or defending yourself to HIM (thereby playing into his hands by coming over 'all emotional'), you were simply letting people know the truth.

Ha Ha pointy, I agree. I'd date MrsC in a hot minute if I were single…and a man. Although, she's so powerful and excellent, maybe we'll just have a 'girl crush' on her Grin. Your DH sounds like mine. He was wonderful when my dad was dying (neurological condition) and is just a peach to my mum.

ohldoneedtogetagrip · 01/07/2014 23:20

Also delurking for a moment to say that l admire the way you have conducted yourself throughout this whole sorry saga.
You are a wonderful parent to your DC's and l must admit you make a rather formidable enemy-Grin Wink Grin

MrsC1969HJ · 04/07/2014 14:09

Hello ladies, goodness have been missing for a few days, lots going on in my life at the moment! Pointy...I love that "best bullshit radar on the planet"...ha ha, you're not kidding! I am so glad you've got such wonderful support from your DH, that sort of thing is priceless, I envy you :-).

Across I hope you know I was just kidding, I have huge faith in your judgement! I rely on you to reign in my emotional missives and I have, all thanks to you wonderful lot who keep me on the straight and narrow! On the "man" note, I seem to be attracting a few at the moment, it's brilliant!! Enjoying every moment and very much looking forward to seeing my lovely chap again next Saturday :-).

ohldone Thank you so much for your lovely post and for delurking...it helps me so much I can't tell you! Definitely picked on the wrong wife this time :-).

So, just to update a bit. He is a knob. I had to say that again. Came on Weds for access and couldn't get away quick enough. He went home with DS's favourite toy by mistake so brought it back in the evening but appeared on foot having parked miles away as OW must have been in the car. Complained to neighbour about "bad back" and neighbour asked if he was working and he came out with this corker "I don't want to work". Oh that's alright then. Idiot. Anyway, yesterday OW signed for my very long "invitation to disclose" letter. H clearly doesn't realise that now we are heading for court he needs to take these things seriously and respond in kind...even if it is "I am not disclosing". Instead I got this. Once again, spelling, grammar and general wankering twattishness is his own work :

Reference Post: Please do not send any more post to OW's address, I am not opening them, I have torn up and put straight in bin as it is most likely be the same old rubbish. So the two letters today have not been read just torn up and binned. Any further post will be refused, and I gather they will send it back. As i have said a hundred times before if it is not about my sons health are reference holidays, are info regards to seeing my son will not read it. Further to the Harassment now via OWC , I can see that we can not have any communication.
You can put info about holiday dates and access changes in DS bag. If they only your normal rants , I will do same with them , leave unread and bin. Get this into your head if need be will not read respond or answer anything until its about my son and my son only. Please stop the post as will now refuse, hope the post was not important as in bits in bin not read. I suggest you inform me of the dates you are going on holiday and put this in his bag for saturday. reference house and divorce will await the courts to write me are a solicitor , other than that will not discuss. I will not answer questions about this direct with you,the maintenance on house is your concern. This email is not used so no reply will come back to me. THE END....!

Well, you couldn't make it up could you? He really does have trouble with literacy is illiterate. So, that has been marked as "response to request to disclose" and put in the bundle. I am neither writing notes, nor stopping sending things, I have to so he can just refuse them or tear them up, I really don't care, at the end of the day he will have to explain that conduct to the court won't he? You can see this is going to be fun!

Wine Friday! Yay! :-)

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LBZT · 04/07/2014 14:19

What a plonker!!!!!!!!!! I take it this will all be "helpful" for you once you get to court. Do you have any idea how long it will take?
Can't wait for your update once you send the court bailiffs around.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/07/2014 14:25

LBZT, hello you! Hope you're well :-). I assume so, it is funny though, he clearly has read it and gone into panic meltdown...I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when they read that. Anybody wants to read it, PM me an email address, it was a spectacular letter if I say so myself :-). Oh and so it goes on...and on.....!

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