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The Dating game - welcome all daters to the DATING THREAD 70!!!

999 replies

girliefriend · 20/02/2014 08:56

Thought it was my turn to start the thread!! Grin

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Bumblebeepie · 25/02/2014 14:24

Hi everyone! Dilemma. I've got date on Saturday for afternoon tea with MrCyclist but I really don't think I want to go now. I don't think I'm going to fancy him at all and I don't think we are compatible and it will be another pointless exercise. I've still got Mr Oldflame on my mind big time and can't face going on a date with someone who isn't him right now. How do I tell Mr Cyclist without being mean that I want to cancel? I thought I could say I'm putting all OL on hold at the moment as I'm not in the right frame of mind. Help!! Still keeping my options open and chatting/looking for others, but not sure MrCyclist is for me and its bound to be easier to let him down now than after the date no?

dontcallmehon22 · 25/02/2014 14:39

Hi guys. Feeling v low. Geeky came round on Thursday. We had sex. He did the whole 'I'm so madly in love with you thing.'Then lots of texting, sometimes nice, sometimes cold and detached. He complains of being sad. Yesterday he agreed to a friends with benefits situation. I said I wasn't happy with that. He said he would need to think about a relationship, it was not something he could decide on yet. I begged him to tell me he doesn't love me and I'd leave him alone. He said 'I can't, as it would be a lie.'

Today, cold and detached. I told him I'd leave him alone. He said 'thanks.'

We are still supposed to be meeting on March 14 to decide our future.

My head is messed up. This is deeply unhealthy and I need to wean myself off this man.

Bumblebeepie · 25/02/2014 14:42

Oh God dontcall men are complete shit bags.....what is it with the sex thing, as soon as you put out they scuttle into their cave and go all cold.....put him behind you and move on to the next one, he is not worth it. Wine & Cake

dontcallmehon22 · 25/02/2014 14:49

We've been together 4 months, so it's not the sex thing. We split up on Feb 12th and so we were already exs when he came round on Thursday.

girliefriend · 25/02/2014 14:53

Ahh dont Sad

He is such a complete idiot, seriously - you do not deserve all this crap he has been spouting and throwing at you Angry

I would block his number, delete from fb, go no contact and what on earth would be the point of meeting up in March? Unless he is going to have a complete personality transplant all I can see is more heartache so cancel that.

I think you need a period of mourning and then move on, there is a man out there who wants to be with you just waiting to be found Smile

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Bumblebeepie · 25/02/2014 14:53

Oh.....still have the Wine and Cake though. Give him the space, and I bet he comes back. Elastic band theory......very true!

Bumblebeepie · 25/02/2014 14:55

Think I may have found a hottie on tinder! Grin

girliefriend · 25/02/2014 14:56

bumble I do not see a good reason for not going on a date with cyclist chap, its just a date not a marriage Grin if after a coffee/drink your fears are confirmed then you can gently let him know the chemistry wasn't right or whatever but to write a man off before going out with him is a tad unfair imo.

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girliefriend · 25/02/2014 14:58

it is nice to see you dont have been fretting about you a bit!! Smile

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Blossomflowers · 25/02/2014 15:05

bumble go for the date, what do you have to loose. I am sad about lack on lack of contact with mrSA, as my posts today. But am now messages other people and talking to mr hot guy tonight on the phone. I think all options should be kept open

Bumblebeepie · 25/02/2014 15:13

ok...ok...I'll do the date with MrCyclist!

LoisPuddingLane · 25/02/2014 15:24

Don'tcallemehon, he sounds a right manipulative little shit. He is madly in love but wants friends with benefits? Kick him to the kerb. And then shit on the kerb. Or shit on the kerb and then kick him to the kerb.

LoisPuddingLane · 25/02/2014 15:28

My date is the flightier of the two men I've been talking to. But he seems like fun, and I haven't been on a date in flipping ages, so...

dontcallmehon22 · 25/02/2014 15:53

I'm really struggling. I can't believe he got to me like this. I feel crap.

girliefriend · 25/02/2014 15:56

dont you need to stop wit the pity and start to get Angry easier said than done I know but he has no right to make you feel like this!!

Find your inner GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

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dontcallmehon22 · 25/02/2014 15:58

I still love him. Despite it all.

PollyIndia · 25/02/2014 16:01

Lois, I agree that if you have been honest, then nothing to worry about. And confidence is the most important thing of all. Not all men like exactly the same type of woman at all, thank god!

Don'tcallmehon, he sounds like an A-Grade messer. You are worth so so much more than this chump. I am with all the posters who say delete him and block him. No good can come of trying to perservere with someone who behaves like this after 4 months. There will be someone out there who deserves you so much more, but you need to ditch this loser to be able to meet him. Please don't meet him on march 14th.

Bumblebeepie - hurrah, i definitely think you should meet the cyclist.

dippinmytoe · 25/02/2014 16:24

dont he is just playing with your feelings and to want a fwb relationship is him just take the p**s and using you . If it was you on your own he would be with you , but the kid situation he doesn't like. Delete , block and say goodbye. .. no good can come of it , only more hurt and anguish.

FolkGirl · 25/02/2014 16:42

I feel like I keep popping on here when I have a problem/crisis of confidence but don't contribute much the rest of the time. I do read daily, but sometimes the conversation has just moved on too far. I love reading other people's good stuff Smile and am sorry for all the shit other people are having/going through Sad

So I had my weekly counselling today. I hope you don't mind me 'debriefing' on here. I don't have anyone IRL I'd feel comfortable talking to about it. I don't even expect anyone to read and respond - especially given how long it is! It's just that it helps to write it down afterwards. It was hard work, and quite sad. I came away feeling comforted that I'd had a realisation, but sad at what that realisation meant.

I realised that I push every single person who is nice to me away. All of them. Or, probably more acurately, I deflect them at the first opportunity. Or avoid them. And I don't even mean in a romantic situation, but just in any social situation. No that's not quite true either. I'm ok in a group situation but I rarely see any of my friends 1-2-1, only ever in a group. And there's only 1 I see on her own. I tried to see another on their own last summer, but I really struggled with it and so didn't bother again. And I never talk to any of them on the phone. One of them phoned me at the weekend (he doesn't know he's not supposed to!!) and after chatting for about 10 minutes, I really needed to just get off the phone and it all started to feel a bit 'intense' and I felt like I needed to run away. It was only a friendly catch up Sad

Sometimes it's quite subtle but sometimes it's blatant - if someone is confident and friendly and is just being a nice person, I will avoid them - proper crossing over the road to avoid them type behaviours. And those who are let in are kept very much at arm's length. I know how it looks, but the need to get away is overwhelming.

It's not because I'm being a twat, I just don't know what else to do! I actually don't know what to do when a nice person is nice to me. How fucked up is that? I don't know how to respond; I worry about them realising I'm worthless; it makes me feel really uncomfortable. I feel like I can hide it in a group, but 1-2-1 I just feel really exposed and scared.

I think it's that I want to have friends and nice people around me, but I'm scared that I'm not good enough to have nice people in my life and that I might like them too much and they'd realise that I'm not like them. I'm a 'not good enough' person

Someone said to me on the last thread, I think it was, (sorry can't remember who it was) that it I kept saying I wasn't going to fall in love with the man I'm seeing (and I'm not. I occasionally feel like I'm teetering on the edge of deeper feeling, but that I then regain my balance and stop it from happening. Does that make sense?) but that I seem to want him to fall for me completely. In an odd way it's true. But at the same time I know he doesn't, and he won't. I feel like I'm punishing myself for being so bloody ridiculous by wanting it, I feel like I might as well be feeling sad because I know I'm never going to win the lottery.

But I would, just once, like to know what it feels like to be loved by someone. And to really love someone back. And not to feel like the best I can do is seeing someone once a fortnight and keeping them at an emotional distance. I'm like one of those 'emotionally unavailable' men we tell each other to avoid except that I'm sitting here in tears because I don't want to be like that.

I had an email from my exH about an hour ago asking how the counselling was going and to tell me he hoped it was helping (the counselling isn't to do with anything to do with him, as such, so I do know he's genuine about that). I said it was hard realising I was more broken than I thought. He replied saying that I'm not broken, I'd just had 30+ tough years and that was all (all!) He said I owed it to myself to make the next 30 years awesome to make up for it. I'm really trying, but I just don't feel like I know how. :'(

FolkGirl · 25/02/2014 16:44

Wow that was long!

Sorry!

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 25/02/2014 16:50

Dont It's lovely to see you on here again as I've wondered how you've been getting on. However I'm not going to mince my words. Geeky is a fucking manipulative bastard of the highest order. I said before that he sounded manipulative and abusive and this just proves it. Open our eyes to the shit way he's treating you - these are not the actions of someone who is 'madly in love with you', ffs Hmm. His words and actions don't match. Another wise MNer once said 'When a man tells you who he is, listen. When a man show's you who he is, believe him'. Read your post of 14.39 with that in mind. What does it tell you?

He 'agreed' to a FWB situation did he? How fucking generous of him Angry. Don't bother meeting him in March - what's the point? All that'll happen is you'll end up having sex, he'll play your emotions like a violin and your head will be fucked up all over again.

How can you love someone who treats you like this? That's not love sweetheart, it's addiction, and like any addiction you need to go cold turkey to recover. Delete his number, don't respond to any texts from him, do not ever contact him again. Expect him to crawl back with numerous platitudes and declarations of love because that's the script of the manipulative twat, but remember his words are empty and devoid of any meaning whatsoever. The only way you can recover fom this is to go no contact - permanently.

PollyIndia · 25/02/2014 17:01

Folkgirl, I felt teary reading your post. You aren't broken, you just need to learn how to love yourself. People say that if you don't love yourself, then its hard for anyone else to make that connection. My self esteem has taken a nosedive over the last few years, but yoga and running definitely help (sorry if that sounds trite).
I hope the counselling makes a difference for you. I am not clever enough to give you any better advice, but it seems to me like even just going out of your comfort zone and letting friends in might help you become more open.
I don't know - I am sure someone wll be along with better advice, but I just wanted to give you a virtual hug.

QueenandKingMum · 25/02/2014 17:36

Hiya, can I join in? I recently broke up with my boyfriend of 6 months, and although not quite ready to date I want to start thinking. What's tinder like? I used POF and had two longish term BF from there, I don't want FB to know what I am up to!

Anyway, hi!

FolkGirl · 25/02/2014 17:45

Thanks Polly.

I think the thing is, I can't even say my self esteem has taken a nosedive. I never had any. It's a long story that I've already bored everyone on here with but my parents were two dysfunctional people who got together when they shouldn't have and had two children when they shouldn't have. They brought us up with their own particular brand of dysfunctional, loveless parenting and didn't love us (well me at least, the jury is out on whether our mother loved my brother or whether he just met her needs more adequately than I did...) because they lacked the capability or capacity to do so and so I didn't have any self esteem or confidence to begin with.

I've done all the stuff I'm supposed to - on paper I look great - really accomplished, well rounded and dynamic - loads of social hobbies and activities, lots of exercise and interests... but it doesn't make any impact. Hence the counselling.

I don't really know how to let people in. I thought I had done with having made friends now, but I realised that I haven't, it's all really superficial.

No one ever comes round to the house. I've tried, but my anxiety levels just go through the roof, I don't enjoy it and it makes me feel really drained.

I've been seeing the man I'm seeing for 4 months and he's only been to my house once, and that was more out of necessity than anything else.

Just fed up of it all really.

dontcallmehon22 · 25/02/2014 18:04

I am really quite worried about myself. I can't bring myself to delete/block him. Why did he have sex with me and tell me he loves me? I can't focus. I start a new job on Thursday so I hope that'll help. My life just seems so bleak without him.