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The reason your DH had an affair was because you didn't have sex enough

195 replies

PTFsWife · 19/02/2014 18:19

I just need to write this down to get it off my chest more than anything because if not, it will fester and not end well.

So my husband had an affair last year, which I have written about on here. We are working together to get though it and make our marriage stronger. We have had counselling individually and jointly and basically it is all moving in the right direction. He is trying very hard and if there can ever be a 'good' outcome of an affair, I think we have it in that our marriage is better than it was before because we are both more committed to fixing it.

Several of my friends (and family) knows about the affair. One friend also knows (as I confided to her drunkenly last year) that my husband and I had only had sex twice in the last year. As it turns out, our sex life had been an issue for years (since the arrival of kids) but it had been improving just about the same time that he started his affair ironically.

So I was chatting to my friend today about our marriage and mentioned that although things were better and we were working hard to work through issues - and have even managed to have sex a few times which was a big deal for me given what he had done - sex was still irregular in our house and I wasn't sure if that was due to the affair or more of a continuation of our previous sexless marriage.

And my friend then said: 'The reason he had the affair is because you didn't have sex often enough. Men need sex. Do not underestimate that. You have to have sex more often, even if you don't feel like it, you just have to. The more you have it, the more you will want to and the better it will be.' This was meant as well meaning advice - not to be hurtful.

I understand her thinking because that is exactly the reason I believe he had an affair - he got attention from someone and got to have sex. He knows it was a monumental mistake and is immensely sorry.

The reason this has upset me is that my friend's attitude - and it's probably an attitude shared by many people - is that I am partly to blame for my husband's affair because I wasn't having sex with him enough. Even if they don't say it, it's what they think.

I know that it probably helped contribute to it, but I have always refused to accept responsibility for him having an affair. He doesn't expect me to either. He blames himself for his actions entirely. But I know that there are others out there who think like my friend i.e. that I obviously wasn't keeping my man satisfied so he had to look elsewhere. And that pisses me off and makes me deeply sad at the same time.

Thank you for reading this diatribe. I'm not really looking for answers - I just needed get it down and out of me.

OP posts:
plum100 · 21/02/2014 08:39

Op - i can imagine how your friends
Comment hurt you.

However, nobody that i know of who is divorced or seperated or had affairs were having great sex at the end of their relationship. I am not agreeing with what ur friend said.

But, imo, if you are not having regular sex the there will be problems,. Sex to me in a marriage is
So much more than just intercourse. A time for closeness, for love , for trust , and if that is not heppening i think it can have damaging effects NOT the green light for an affair but just becoming less close.

Thats what it means to me anyway and i appreciate not everyone feels the same x

ReadyToPopAndFresh · 21/02/2014 08:41

If you were starving and you stole it would be taken in to consideration by a jury and the police.

If you raped someone because you needed sex and no one wanted to have sex with you would not get the same leniency.

AICM · 21/02/2014 08:50

Ofred
You said Maslow was Shite know you're quoting him.

Offred · 21/02/2014 08:51

Er yes, I'm quoting his shite theory that sex is a need above security of the person... Hmm

Offred · 21/02/2014 08:51

Which is rape apology... In reality...

AICM · 21/02/2014 08:59

That's not what his theory says.

An individual has a basic need to feel secure and when they are they will strive to meet other needs.

It doesn't when an individual is secure they can destroy the security of others.

I don't think your bizarre distraction in this thread is helpful to the OP, the general debate or in fact anybody so I won't respond to any more of your comments so the debate can get back to the actual issue.

Goodbye Ofred

Offred · 21/02/2014 09:03

It is what his theory says. What you say is broadly correct about his broader philosophy. However in his hierarchy of need sex is put in a category with food and water - of greater importance than security which is needed for psychological not physical health.

Offred · 21/02/2014 09:04

Apparently.

Bonsoir · 21/02/2014 09:06

Withholding sex from a partner (man or woman) who clearly wants and needs sex is a dangerous course of action.

rainbowsmiles · 21/02/2014 09:11

Dangerous bonsoir? Interesting word choice.

Offred · 21/02/2014 09:12

Withholding sex from a partner (man or woman) who clearly wants and needs sex is a dangerous course of action.

Withholding sex can be abusive. So can forcing sex.

No-one was withholding sex in the op's marriage.

Problems with sex which are not normally the source of the problem but a symptom can justifiably lead to the breakdown of the relationship. They don't justify an affair anymore than they justify rape.

Offred · 21/02/2014 09:13

(An affair might be more understandable than rape though)

Bonsoir · 21/02/2014 09:18

Withholding (or rationing) anything that your partner needs is always going to make them feel a bit frustrated. Too much frustration is dangerous.

MrsTaraPlumbing · 21/02/2014 09:18

I couldn't read all 5 pages so I am just replying to Original Post.
Friends sometimes say hurtful thoughtless things (we all do sometimes) so forget it if you can.
Now - men need sex do they - well so do women - no reason to think men's needs are greater than women's (in general - Obviously as individuals we are all different).
If you only had sex twice - why is this the woman's fault? Why not say it was his fault? I'll bet there are a whole pile of reasons why we could say he was too blame!
I know in my own relationship there is plenty of evidence to blame my husband for all of the world's problems.
But why wasn't he there laying the ground work to make you relaxed and seduce you?

In fact why not suggest the oposite of what your friend has said - why not feel sorry for YOu for the lack of sex and say what a bastard he was to deprive you of it? ...

Moving on you just wanted to get it off your chest that you are not to blame for his affair.
I agree with you entirely.
You didn't make him.
He is responsible for his actions.
He had to actively do something to have the affair it didn't just happen to him.

He could have invested that effort into something else like you and the children but he choose not to. Whilst his efforts were invested elsewhere that left you doing twice as much to look after yourself, the home and the children.

You are right though. Many will think in the same way as your friend. I have heard stupid comments like that before.

rainbowsmiles · 21/02/2014 09:21

Dangerous in that they might spontaneously combust and burn the house down?

Offred · 21/02/2014 09:22

I don't know what planet you live on bonsoir. Withholding something a partner needs like food will affect their physical health, withholding sex which they want and which is normally part of a healthy relationship might make them stressed/frustrated/rejected and affect their self esteem but what's your point? The op wasn't withholding sex and what do you mean by "dangerous"?

Lavenderhoney · 21/02/2014 09:23

Ooh, OP, you met a time traveller from the 50's! Did she ask if you made him enough hot dinners as well?

Your dh had an affair because he could and found someone who was willing to. He regrets it and is working through it with you.

I wouldn't mention it to her again, because it will become an ongoing conversation and marriage status.

galgaf14 · 21/02/2014 09:23

Ofred
Why are you so desperate to make this about rape when it clearly isn't about rape?

rainbowsmiles · 21/02/2014 09:27

Ofred isn't making it about rape. Read the thread and you will see she is responding to some fairly illogical suggestions. The logical end to the sex as a basic need argument is the justification of rape.

galgaf14 · 21/02/2014 09:28

She obviously ment dangerous in terms of damage to the relationship. You did know that but decided to be sarcastic for effect. Very mature

galgaf14 · 21/02/2014 09:32

So do all basic needs justify a corresponding crime?

rainbowsmiles · 21/02/2014 09:34

Her choice of language was deliberate and considered and I chose to highlight the inflammatory nature and in the process diffuse the wind up.

Offred · 21/02/2014 09:35

I want to know what she means by "dangerous" because rape involves danger to a person, affairs could be seen as involving danger to a person if you really stretch it... The end of a relationship I can't see where there is danger in that to a person... Danger is quite a strong and threatening term and in this context it seems like she's suggesting, like the op's friend, that the op should submit to being raped/sexually abused in order to keep a man...

Rape is not irrelevant to the thread. The friend was suggesting a relationship where you are being repeatedly raped and abused is required to keep a man.

Offred · 21/02/2014 09:38

(Which involves the assumption that women are frigid withdrawers of sex, which is not even true in this individual situation)

galgaf14 · 21/02/2014 09:48

Sorry Ofred but I agree the ACIM. You have serious issues with men that run deeper than this thread. Whatever has led you to this distorted state of mind must have been unpleasant and I'm sorry but I think your views on men, rape and relationships are awful. I have experience of rape as my sister was raped years ago and I dealt with the fallout years so I am in no way taking rape lightly, but even I think your views are odd. You sound like a man hater who loves to play the rape card.