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The reason your DH had an affair was because you didn't have sex enough

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PTFsWife · 19/02/2014 18:19

I just need to write this down to get it off my chest more than anything because if not, it will fester and not end well.

So my husband had an affair last year, which I have written about on here. We are working together to get though it and make our marriage stronger. We have had counselling individually and jointly and basically it is all moving in the right direction. He is trying very hard and if there can ever be a 'good' outcome of an affair, I think we have it in that our marriage is better than it was before because we are both more committed to fixing it.

Several of my friends (and family) knows about the affair. One friend also knows (as I confided to her drunkenly last year) that my husband and I had only had sex twice in the last year. As it turns out, our sex life had been an issue for years (since the arrival of kids) but it had been improving just about the same time that he started his affair ironically.

So I was chatting to my friend today about our marriage and mentioned that although things were better and we were working hard to work through issues - and have even managed to have sex a few times which was a big deal for me given what he had done - sex was still irregular in our house and I wasn't sure if that was due to the affair or more of a continuation of our previous sexless marriage.

And my friend then said: 'The reason he had the affair is because you didn't have sex often enough. Men need sex. Do not underestimate that. You have to have sex more often, even if you don't feel like it, you just have to. The more you have it, the more you will want to and the better it will be.' This was meant as well meaning advice - not to be hurtful.

I understand her thinking because that is exactly the reason I believe he had an affair - he got attention from someone and got to have sex. He knows it was a monumental mistake and is immensely sorry.

The reason this has upset me is that my friend's attitude - and it's probably an attitude shared by many people - is that I am partly to blame for my husband's affair because I wasn't having sex with him enough. Even if they don't say it, it's what they think.

I know that it probably helped contribute to it, but I have always refused to accept responsibility for him having an affair. He doesn't expect me to either. He blames himself for his actions entirely. But I know that there are others out there who think like my friend i.e. that I obviously wasn't keeping my man satisfied so he had to look elsewhere. And that pisses me off and makes me deeply sad at the same time.

Thank you for reading this diatribe. I'm not really looking for answers - I just needed get it down and out of me.

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Lazyjaney · 20/02/2014 21:42

"do you know what need actually means?"

I do, but I'm not sure you do. A Need is defined as something essential or very important.

I think you are confusing maintaining life with maintaining a human life. Sex is always put on the basic level of human needs.

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Keepithidden · 20/02/2014 21:43

Ha ha, thanks for the vote of confidence Red!

No, I'm pretty sure it won't be me.

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Offred · 20/02/2014 21:45

Sex is not always put on a list of basic human needs!! :/

Humans enjoy sex. It is not essential or very important. It is normal to enjoy it and want to do it as often as possible but it is still just something they want or enjoy.

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Offred · 20/02/2014 21:46

I did think you were more likely to be worried it would be your wife keep. I meant "you" in the general sense!

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Proseccoisnotrah · 20/02/2014 21:53

That was a bit insensitive of your friend. It's a difficult one. Sex is important to me and if my DH suddenly went off it and didn't want to anymore it would trigger a lot of feelings in me, mainly of rejection, frustration and I could see that considering looking elsewhere might be a part of that. But he didn't have to. Nobody needs sex. But a lot of people like it an awful lot. He wasn't aware that the marriage would become sexless and the goalposts were moved iyswim. But the ultimate decision to cheat was his. This makes no sense.

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AbleAble · 21/02/2014 00:05

My ex-husbands 'need' for sex totally destroyed my libido.

To discover, after he'd left me and our baby, that he had been constantly wanking to online porn, using escorts and prostitutes, utterly ruined me.

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Lazyjaney · 21/02/2014 07:20

"Sex is not always put on a list of basic human needs!!"

Not in MN Relationships, but it's for self serving reasons. Elsewhere if you suggested sex was not a basic human need you'd be thought delusional.

"Humans enjoy sex. It is not essential or very important"

That is just absurd, but it shows how tenuous your grip of human relationships is.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 07:59

Just because people talk about that on other forums which are likely full of misogyny, doesn't mean it is true. The world is full of misogynistic views like 'men need sex' 'women who dress sexily are asking for it' etc

What I'm talking about is science. The fact that humans enjoy sex differentiates them from most other animals.

Subjectively sex may be more or less important to individual humans. Objectively sex is not essential or very important to humans as a group. It is something they enjoy and which gives them pleasure. You can tell this by what happens when humans are put under stress - they prioritise basic needs and things like sex fall by the wayside.

I love sex and have a lot of it but during certain periods of my life, stressful ones, I have not wanted it at all. Have had two periods of complete celibacy - one for two years after an abusive relationship and one for 18 months in a relationship I wanted to leave while I was pg and had small twins.

It is utterly ridiculous to suggest humans need sex.

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Keepithidden · 21/02/2014 08:01

I thought you meant the "royal we" Red, just taking deliberate offence!Wink

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:08

Lazy - anyway what's your point? 'Twas both the op and the dh responsible for the lack of sex, they both weren't particularly happy with this and only one of them had an affair... Funny that...

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:09

Keep - ha ha! Wink

How are you getting on?

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:11

And maslow's heirarchy of shite has been criticised and is not used by psychiatry...

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:13

Sex is a basic need is rapist logic, as I intimated earlier. No-one is entitled to sex. The law makes that clear. If sex was a basic need we wouldn't criminalise rape. The fact we do means that sex is less important than the security of the person.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:15

Is your argument that we should decriminalise rape/sexual assault in order to accommodate sex as a basic need?

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AICM · 21/02/2014 08:21

Ofred I think you may have issues that run deeper than this thread. The rape argument makes you sound a little odd at best.

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LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 21/02/2014 08:21

OP, perhaps your friend buys into that way of thinking because it makes her feel that her marriage is secure. 'We are having sex 3 times a weeks so in that case he won't have an affair'. It's wrong and it's sad - in lots of ways. Or maybe she's just insensitive and a lazy thinker.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:27

It's simple, if sex is a basic human need, above the security of the person, that is a statement that our current law on rape and sexual abuse is incorrect and we should not be prioritising the security of the person above a person's 'need' for sex.

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AICM · 21/02/2014 08:31

That's the same as saying food is a basic so its ok to steal.

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AICM · 21/02/2014 08:32

Who has said sex is a basic need 'above the security of the person'?

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Keepithidden · 21/02/2014 08:32

I'm okay thanks Red.

RE: Sex as a need. I don't agree with it being a need on an individual level, but I am seeing it more as a need at a relationship level. However, a relationship should never trump the needs of an individual.

It's not the same as food, water, shelter etc... by any stretch.

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rainbowsmiles · 21/02/2014 08:32

And even if we accept that sex is a need it would only be insofar as for a healthy self etc. including the innate desire to procreate. If sex is not available the getting sex does not become an emergency situation.

Even if we could agree that sex is a need in the broad sense it had no relevance here as sex was available to her husband he just chose not to partake.

And even if she was withholding, at what time frame does the not having sex justify an affair.

Everyone has agreed the having of sex is important but does someone's need for sex trump anyone else's needs.

It is irrelevant.

He allowed and she allowed the relationship to break down to the extent that he was able to justify an affair and she was able to understand his need for one.

Sex is just part of the larger more complicated story.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:34

Maslow said sex was above security of the person.

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Keepithidden · 21/02/2014 08:34

That's the same as saying food is a basic so its ok to steal

I swear that's been used as an debate point in some of the philosophy courses I've seen!

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:35

And I do agree that food is a basic need so if you don't have it it is ok to steal it.

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Offred · 21/02/2014 08:37

And logically security of the person is not a need. People don't die from being raped etc, they get psychological problems, it is therefore not a need but is desirable to promote security of the person in order to have a healthy functioning society. When you say sex is a need you make it more important than security of the person.

On what basis is sex a human need anyway?

People do it for pleasure and to reproduce.

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