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How can I improve sex life with dh?

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lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 07:36

We've been together for three years, married for almost two and since almost the beginning, sex has been a bit of an issue.

I have always had quite a high sex drive and when we first got together we'd have sex quite often.

A few months in, however, it started to tail off, which left me feeling a little hurt. Things came to a head when we moved in together, we had sex regularly for the first couple of weeks, I didn't think anything of it, but one night, dh thew an almighty strop, got angry at me, said couldn't he go to bed just to sleep without being pressured into sex. I didn't realise I was pressuring him. So I backed off.

Sex has always been very one sided. I am not allowed to initiate anything, as he told me it puts him under pressure, so I wait for him. Usually, it's once a week/every ten days when he's in the mood. He never engages in any foreplay, the most he will do is jab his fingers in me for a few minuets (TMI, sorry) until it hurts me so much I just get on with it and have sex to get it over with. He also looks so bored when he's touching me, most of the time he is staring at the telly, so I stop him to stop myself getting upset. Most of the time, I will give him a bj, touch him, kiss him - in part to try and turn myself on so that sex isn't painful, but mainly because if I didn't, sex would just be me on top until he comes.

I have never had an orgasm (not just with him, but with anyone) but I am ashamed to say that I learned many years ago just to fake it so as not to dent a mans delicate little ego.

He never undresses me, I think he's only ever seen me naked a handful of times, which makes me feel like crap.

I have tried everything, dressing up, sex toys (which he laughed at me while using, said I looked ridiculous), not asking for sex, asking for sex (If I ask can we have sex tonight/tomorrow I either get 'oh yeah, of course" and then it doesn't happen, or I get told "if you behave" which makes me feel terrible).

I have tried talking to him so many times. But he either tells me to stop slagging him off (I don't I approach it in a nice way) or he's nasty and tells me that he just doesn't want sex a lot, he'd rather go on his computer.

Oral sex is another big issue. It's the only thing that feels nice to me. When we first got together, he said he liked doing it. Then after a couple of months he stopped, so I left it. A few months later, I asked why he didn't do that to me anymore and he got angry saying he hated it, hated the taste and smell. Again, I felt like shit. He does it sometimes, but again, the other day, same thing. Had him shouting at me saying he hates it, what man could ever like doing that to a woman etc. I've posted about that on here before, and I got told by many 'stop giving him oral sex then'. But if I don't, like I said, sex is just him literally putting his penis in me.

I think he has a really unrealistic view of sex due to the amount of porn he used to watch. He hasn't watched it since we were together, but he openly admitted it ruined his sex life with previous girlfriends, which is why he stopped. His views on sex are very much pornified, all to do with the mans gratification.

I really love him, and I am desperate for some sort of connection and closeness. I don't know what to do. If I try and talk to him, he gets angry and there is a huge argument.

This is my second marriage. I was married to someone else for 9 years and that was totally sexless. For different issues, but I basically didn't have sex for the entirety of my 20's and all I want is a normal sex life.
He thinks we have a wonderful sex life - well, he does. He only gets sex when he wants and when he does I am so pathetically grateful that it's all about him.

I thought he might be gay at one point (I asked him outright, he said he wasn't). He seems to hate my genital area. Hates pubic hair, I have to shave everything off, to the point where I get huge, painful cysts where I get ingrown hairs. It's horrible and painful. He seems to hate my body and I hate my body too now. I've lost all my confidence and I have become so embarrassed about sex. It's now got even more painful as I just tense up and because I have tried so hard to kill my sex drive over the past year so that I don't get frustrated, I find it hard to get turned on. So now it's mostly horrible.

Sorry this is so long, I just don't know what to do anymore. I've tried talking, but how do you talk to someone who just gets angry and defensive?

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lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 11:27

I know, when I have posted about him before a lot of people have said gay.

He has this idea in his head of being a family man, job, providing etc. It's almost like he see's it as some kind of script? And he adores his parents. I know he'd think they would be disappointed in him if he were gay (FWIW, they are good people, I don't think they would have done).

He's told me about his last relationship. About how they only had sex once a month, if that as it was so painful for them both and he didn't know why. Well I know exactly why ffs, he was doing (or not doing) the same to her as he does with me. Only she was very young (they were together from when she was 17 and he was 21) so she probably didn't know any better. She cheated on him twice - so did two of his other girlfriends and I can see why.

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Flangeofmingetown · 07/02/2014 11:27

Just read your updates about this aversion to breasts now as well as vaginas.

He is gay and I agree with the poster who suggested he is sadistic - probably due to the sublimation of his true sexuality.

I would start digging around his browsing history.

lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 11:31

I have asked him outright if he is gay a few times. I have said I wouldn't be angry (I wouldn't be at all). But he just says of course he's not and gets angry.

But it is always at the back of my mind. I wouldn't want to be with a woman sexually - I would find the idea of touching another woman intimately repulsive because I am only attracted to men. SO it has crossed my mind many times that he seems to find me repulsive as he's only attracted to men too.

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AmIatwat · 07/02/2014 11:32

I agree with Imso, do some serious digging. I think you might get some answers.
When you do decide to leave him, don't go for the first man you meet. I can see there is a pattern of hooking up with undesirable men; however this isn't your fault.

JoinYourPlayfellows · 07/02/2014 11:34

I don't understand the advice to do some digging.

You already KNOW he's a sexually abusive bastard.

Whether he's gay or not is irrelevant.

lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 11:35

He was also the king of red flag land when we first met - he told me he loved me on our first date (we went out on a friday lunchtime and I stayed until Sunday evening, he told me on the sunday he loved me). I should have run a mile there and then.

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Flangeofmingetown · 07/02/2014 11:36

lolly I think you have nailed it in your last paragraph.

Look at the behaviour rather than what he says. It says all you need to know.

Flangeofmingetown · 07/02/2014 11:38

join fair point.

lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 11:42

I am not going to do any digging. Yep, join is right, I already know he's a wanker.

Even if I found gay porn or whatever, it wouldn't solve anything. I have given him the opportunity to tell me, told him I wouldn't be angry or upset (tbh, right now I'd be relieved).

I asked him to show me the porn he watched when we were together. It was pretty normal, women in fishnets, anal sex, men getting blow jobs.

THIng is, before our first date we were texting for a month, from when we first met in a club briefly, until I could meet up with him for a weekend when ds was away with his father.

In that time, texts were really steamy, he used to tell me what he wanted to do to me, including very detailed things about giving me oral sex and how much he liked it. So that was all just lies to get me interested.

The dirty texts dried up after a couple of months. In an effort to try and get our sex life better, one of the things I did about 18 months ago was to send him a dirty text. He ignored it and texted something back about work. A few weeks later, I mentioned it to him, how much courage it had taken me to send it to him, how I'd actually had it on my phone for weeks. HE went mental, saying it was ridiculous, how id sent it while he was trying to relax and watch tv. I've never bothered again.

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NumptyNameChange · 07/02/2014 11:42

honestly i think it's less about gay than about adults. his talking about his mum and breastfeeding only adds to that for me.

personally i would not dig through his internet history - i suspect the things you would find may scar you for life.

ImSoHappyCauseToday · 07/02/2014 11:43

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LilyBlossom14 · 07/02/2014 11:46

I don't think you need to dig for anything, what he does is bad enough - do you really need another reason to end this relationship?

lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 11:54

No, no digging. I am past the point of being arsed really.

Right, so I know there are two ways I can see this.

  1. He's just an abusive cunt who has learned that sex is the best way to hurt me. He has always withheld sex/affection if we've argued or whatever.

  2. He's gay but wont admit it. Lots of affection/promises of sex to deflect from it (he's always coming up behind he and grabbing my boobs, grinding up agaisnt me and making sex noises like a 15 year old boy would do to piss off a classmate ffs, but then no proper sex for weeks) and hates sex with me because he finds women repulsive.

Oh fuck it, what the hell have I got to lose? I am going to have it out with him, he can get as bloody angry as he likes. Then he can leave.

Thankyou, all of you.

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YouStayClassySanDiego · 07/02/2014 11:58

Take care lolly , dont fall for any flannel or tears from him.

You're worth so much more than this.

lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 12:01

Thats the sad thing, there wouldn't ever be any tears from him. In his eyes, he's perfect.

Ten, or even five years ago I would have laughed in his face. I don't know what has happened to me, I was never like this.

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MrsPMT · 07/02/2014 12:04

I think wordfactory put it very succinctly upthread

i.e.

2 possible answers why he's behaving as he is

  1. I'm gay
  2. I have huge problems with sex & will get help

If its 2 and he genuinely loves you/cares about you, he will do this.

Wishing you well

Flangeofmingetown · 07/02/2014 12:07

Personally I'd skip the discussion because he is either gay or abusive. What's the point discussing it?

Get some legal advice and get out. x

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 07/02/2014 12:09

You have no marriage.

It is all about him.

You made HIM feel crap.

HE got angry when you asked him if he was gay.

HE was fucked off when you sent a text.

You are flogging a dead horse.

Utter bollocks he hates breasts because he was breastfed.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 07/02/2014 12:09

Whoopee! I rejoined this thread as I didn't have time to post when I read it first thing - was too busy going Shock Angry Sad Shock.

So glad you've seen the light (which is the light from the door you are going to boot him through).

Someone above may have said this already, but when he's gone I heartily recommend some time spent on learning how to bring yourself to orgasm. Once you've cracked that (and the orgasms must be fuelled by things that make you happy, not something that you'd feel uncomfortable confessing to a friend when you'd had 5 lambrinis too many) then promise never to fake one ever again, ever.

Flangeofmingetown · 07/02/2014 12:10

lolly what has happened to you is that you have just woken up to the fact you have been in an abusive relationship and not one with a couple of minor resolvable sexual issues.

lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 12:23

in an argument a couple of weeks ago I told him how selfish he was mainly in bed.

He agreed.

When we got married, his mum told me that she never thought he'd get married as she thought he was too selfish. He said then that maybe she was right.

lady I have tried and tried over the years to have an orgasm. I have used countless toys etc. Nothing works. I have had one orgasm, once in my life. That was about 14 years ago, and it was a fluke. It was right at the end of sex, the guy was just, ahem, finishing, so it didn't last longer than a few seconds. And he dumped me the next day, so we never had sex again.

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Fairylea · 07/02/2014 12:25

I don't think he's gay. If he's always been into (straight or lesbian?)porn to the extent it's ruined previous relationships I really don't think it's a gay issue. I do think he is incredibly sexually dysfunctional and in fact he probably finds sexual excitement in the newness of a new relationship and after a while it all tails off to the point of no longer seeing that person as sexual and instead seeing them as asexual. It is possible in situations like this that he would actually subconsciously switch his libido off - the fact he no longer looks at porn (as far as you know and you seem fairly sure) speaks volumes about his sex drive.

Personally I don't have a big issue with the fact he prefers women to shave. A lot of men and woman alike prefer it - I do, and I started to shave when I was single and got fed up with my pubic hair getting stuck to sanitary towels!! None of my boyfriends etc have minded me having hair, I did it for me. However a lot of people do have sexual preferences like this and IF both people are happy it doesn't matter.

However, you are not happy. Don't shave just because he wants you to. Don't put up with crap insensitive sex. Life really is too short.

If you can't seriously talk to him about this and try to sort it out I don't think there is a future here.

I am in my third marriage - my ssecond husband was a lot like your dp and in the end we hardly ever had sex. I was so miserable. He just wasn't remotely interested and just wanted it all over as quickly as possible. He was very asexual really. Not interested in boobs or anything else at all.

My now dh is lovely. We have a great sex life (young dc permitting!) I wouldn't put up with someone sticking their head in the sand when it comes to what should be a crucial part of your relationship.

NumptyNameChange · 07/02/2014 12:38

just to point out he's not gay or abusive. he's gay and abusive if he is gay and i don't think it is that tbh anyway.

being gay wouldn't be a reason or excuse for the disgusting way he has treated you. he'd still be a cunt.

Offred · 07/02/2014 12:41

Yy numpty. What might be underlying the sadism is irrelevant. The wondering if he is gay and the porn thing are just red herrings that are dangerous because they give you a reason to stay. The important thing is that he is certainly abusive, why that is doesn't really matter.

lollyj2 · 07/02/2014 12:43

Yeah his is a cunt whatever, I know.

Just had an email from him from work telling me he loves me so much. It's all just for show for whatever reason isn't it? The nice emails and texts he sends me while he's at work everyday, the hugs. It makes me so sad.

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