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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

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prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

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Anniegetyourgun · 13/01/2014 13:03

Totally inconsistent statements. It's like the Cell Block Tango, isn't it?

"I didn't do it
But if I'd done it
How can you tell me that I was wrong?"

Basically he's behaving like every other unfaithful spouse who's ever been rumbled.

ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 13:04

Also... a small point here. One that has seen me through my parents divorce, and my subsequent one.
Yes... both divorces were caused by a young, blonde, pretty, skinny woman. However, I have never actually blamed these women. It is the man that is at fault for having the affair. Not saying I'm friendly with the women either, I believe they were wrong too, but it is the mans fault.
Also... both these affairs happened when the men were in their 40's...
Both have also since ended in divorce... Wink!

AliceinWinterWonderland · 13/01/2014 13:25

I have to admit, I'm baffled. He says he didn't, but then says IF he did, it's not his fault. Is he not sure? Does he have a memory problem? Does he randomly go out and bang people and not remember if he's done it? Hmm

What a twat.

Inertia · 13/01/2014 13:25

A few weeks ago someone posted on a different thread about helpful sayings. If Mr PrettyHackedOff is reading, he might find it useful.

If the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, then you need to start taking care of your own grass.

Pretty, he is trying to shift all the blame on to you because he wanted to have an affair and he doesn't want to take responsibility for it. Just like he didn't want to take any responsibility for family life. He decided to embark on an affair - nothing you could have done would have changed things. You might have the looks of Claudia Schiffer, the brains of Carolyn Porco, the housekeeping skills of Anthea Turner and the sexual prowess of ...ok, here I get stuck- the point is that it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference how well you were meeting his needs, he'd still find an excuse to have an affair.

Don't worry about the OW. Firstly the person you've googled might not be her unless she has a very distinctive name or is on the company website. Secondly, if it is her, everybody puts their most flattering photo on public display. The rest of the time she probably looks much like everyone else. Thirdly, she may be young, slim, pretty and blonde- but she still couldn't get an available man.

Is he saying she's effectively his boss to try to frighten you away from kicking up a fuss in case he loses his job? Because if so remember that it's his behaviour that's inappropriate and that's what will put his job at risk, not the fact that you've noticed.

If you think he's reading the thread and don't want to delete it, you can ask MNHQ to move the thread elsewhere or start a new one in a safer place.

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 13:32

He keeps telling me she's only a friend, a close supportive work colleague and that he is entitled to a friend.
I don't think he will ever be honest with me about this and it's his dishonesty and deleting texts/hiding phone that is what I'm struggling to cope with when at the same time he tells me over the weekend that I am the love of his life.

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AliceinWinterWonderland · 13/01/2014 13:35

Look at it this way.. here's a short list of just a few Hollywood celebrities that have been cheated on:

Sandra Bullock
Jennifer Aniston
Sienna Miller
Reese Witherspoon
Elizabeth Hurley
Denise Richards
Halle Berry
Uma Thurman
Christie Brinkley

These are rich gorgeous women with everything going for them. And yet, their partners cheated on them. It just goes to show you - doesn't matter whether you're rich, pretty, young, whatever. These cheaters don't value what they have - they want what they DON'T have. Which is why once they have the OW, they start looking for another.

AliceinWinterWonderland · 13/01/2014 13:36

He didn't want you when he had you. Now that he thinks you're slipping through his fingers, suddenly he wants you again. He only wants what he doesn't have. The minute he has you back again, he will start looking for another OW.

ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 13:38

If she's only a good friend... why not suggest her and her partner (she's bound to have one being young, slim, blonde etc) come over for drinks on Saturday????
Sadly, if she were only a friend, he wouldn't be so protective/secretive of his phone, nor would have deleted all the messages. He would have been chatting to you about what was happening and explaining it all.
He really is showing all the classic signs of an affair. Though perhaps he wasn't/isn't quite ready to take the next steps... or perhaps THE BOSS doesn't want him full-time...

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 13:44

She's married. With young kids.The photo is linked to her job title and where she works . When I googled her name and that photo came up so did the name of her husband and where he worked, etc. She has a very visible internet presence.
Golly, she's probably even a mums netter !
I said to him that i realised I wasn't the young attractive slim pretty blonde i used to be (Im fat middle aged and going grey, but hey I work very long hours in a stressful professional role and I'm bringing up kids and have a lazy unsupportive husband)
I recognised her from her photo. I've even seen her in real life, from a distance, at the works christmas party his company had. Saw a young very pretty and glamorous woman across the room pointing at me and whispering and giggling to the two women standing with her. I asked DH who she was and he said she worked with him but he didn't know her name. (I did think at the time it was odd he didn't know her name, and I thought her pointing at me was odd.)
I never once thought at that time this was the person that was causing his weird behaviour.
Thank you everyone for your support.
This is like a soap opera but the really side thing for me and the kids is that it is real life and happening.
I've never been able to understand how people can make such mess and drama out of their lives.

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Newyearchanger · 13/01/2014 13:47

:(

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 13:47

Alice, thank you re the celebrities.
My husband told me this weekend that i had lost my looks and 'had been a nightmare' recently.
I'm the same age as most of those celebrities and in my 20s and 30s people would often comment to me how much like Uma Thurman I looked. (I certainly don't anymore!!) My nickname amongst some longstanding old female friends is 'Uma'.
The irony!!
But thank you that post is very helpful and made me laugh!!!

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AliceinWinterWonderland · 13/01/2014 13:52

I think it just helps to remember it's not your looks or anything about YOU that made him cheat. It's all about HIM and HIS ISSUES.

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 13:52

Newyear,
I agree
Sad,
Sad both in the teenage sense and in the emotional sense.
And at this moment in time I'm very angry.

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Inertia · 13/01/2014 13:54

Well he would say that wouldn't he?

It could be worth looking into methods of recovering deleted texts , as a previous poster suggested- if he's telling the truth and she is just a friend then your H would want to do everything possible to prove this. He won't want to though, because he's lying.

It'd be interesting to consider how often other people contact their closest work colleagues - for instance, I text the colleague who I work very closely with perhaps twice a day at most, often not at all, and we use email to share larger-scale work information. Another colleague is a close friend and we often go weeks without feeling the need to text one another. If it was about work, he'd use his work email.

Be careful. There is every chance that he is trying to stall you so that you don't throw him out of the house before he is ready to go. It's really worth you looking into how to protect yourself and the children if he does leave you up the creek- get as much information as you can, particularly if you are not working at the moment.

And at the end of the day, even in the unlikely situation that he hasn't had an affair, the contemptuous and frankly shitty way he's treated you is grounds for divorce on its own. And he doesn't get to choose whether you divorce him.

Custardo · 13/01/2014 13:55

I think he has had an emotional affair from what you have written.

if 40 a session saves your marriage and you want to save it then it isn't a waste of money

don't put too much stock in anything - ANY one has to say on an internet forum

Inertia · 13/01/2014 13:58

Sorry , cross posts there.

So she's young, blond, pretty, cheating on her own family too, and as immature as particularly spiteful gaggle of teenage girls. Sounds as though they deserve each other.

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 14:04

Custardo,
a very helpful and insightful post. Thank you.
I think the worst case scenario here is that he is having a full blown sexual affair and both he and her don't care about the fall out with their spouses and kids.
I think the so called 'best case scenario' is that he is a depressed man pushing 50 who is having a mid life crisis and has had an emotional affair, or a best a one sided infatuation, with a young beautiful colleague.
None of these scenarios bode well for the future.

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MinkBernardLundy · 13/01/2014 14:06

OP if you could have anything you wished for what would it be?

-to get past this?
-to move on without him?
-for him.to be nicer to you and to help out more?
-to have definite proof of his behaviour?
-other!

I think.if you get a very clear.idea in.your head of what you want,.totally ignore what he might want as he has no right to dictate to.you. then when you know what you want, look.into how that might be achieved and work.towards it.

tribpot · 13/01/2014 14:13

Oh so now he's saying she's a friend but the reason he's friends with her is because you've neglected him? Eh?

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 14:19

Funnily, he told me this weekend that watching The 7.39 programme on BBC last week,(olivia colman, sheridan Smith , david morrisey ) had given him a wake up call and that he had realised that he had overstepped a boundary and could end up having an affair with her 'but i didn't because she's only a friend'.
But he didn't stop, and I even asked him whilst we were watching the programme whether he had ever texted someone like that, behaved like that , or even had an affair like that, and he looked me in the eye and said no.
I didn't believe him and that was before I saw the phone bill and found out he'd deleted all traces of text messages and phone calls between them.
Sad

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ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 14:24

Unless I've missed something, we don't actually know he has shagged THE BOSS. Though all the signs that have been mentioned tell me he is having some soft of affair (or wants want). I think he's stalling. Men often leave families. I know women do too... but not many women would leave a young family... would they?
Obviously whatever has happened, I don't think THE BOSS would risk ruining her family set up, your DH probably knows this, and doesn't want to rock the home boat. It's very expensive having to have 2 homes and paying maintenance to children and ex-wives.

LilyBlossom14 · 13/01/2014 14:36

I think whether he had an emotional or physical affair is irrelevant in some ways - either way he has had an inappropriate relationship with this woman. I wonder if the pointing and giggling shows they were intimate at that point

Whatever, he is an unfaithful, unsupportive, unappreciative man and you deserve so much better.

He will never admit he was wrong, he probably wrongly thinks he is the victim in this not you. Just shows you what type of person he is. don't worry about reading his messages to her - it will only hurt you further. Just make plans to get rid of him asap is my advice.

livingzuid · 13/01/2014 14:36

Ah op :( this is rotten for you. So agree with what tribpot said upthread.

"My husband told me this weekend that i had lost my looks and 'had been a nightmare' recently."

I am so upset and angry for you reading this thread. How dare he say these things to you, the mother of his children. What a total bastard to be making everything out to be your fault so he then can justify in his befuddled mind that it´s ok to have an affair with someone who behaves as if she´s still in the playground. What is it with men that hit a certain age and feel the need to have it off with someone young enough to be their daughter. And the men are never an oil painting (no offence intended), what do these women see in them. They should be ashamed.

You are behaving with such dignity.

You are better off on your own. The kids will adapt and be fine. Did you have any luck getting him to sleep at the Travelodge last night (sorry question mark key not working!).

And if he´s reading this, hope he has a shred of decency left to do the right thing and get out of the house to give you the space you need to sort your life out.

ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 14:44

To my knowledge men don't tend to leave until they have somewhere to go. Everyone is right, whether or not he has had an actual proper affair is really neither here or there. He has treated you terribly.
He may well have his own problems (mid-life crisis) whatever. I think you should pack him a little bag, and I think the two of you need a proper, honest, conversation. Think about what you want before you speak to him. Do you want him back (albeit with him being nice, treating you as a loving, equal, wife and making the household responsibilities a joint effort), or is this it? Has too much happened? He has said some things that I don't think I could forgive, but it's difficult to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 14:58

No he refused to go to the Travelodge last night but obviously was in spare room.
And you are right, he's no oil painting, despite the weight loss. I suspect for her she behaves like a teenager and this is is just a little game to brighten up a dull busy hard life and she has no intention of leaving her husband and kids.
Meanwhile he can't believe his luck someone that young and beautiful is interested in him and he thinks he's in love with her and i'm this fat ugly wife who is keeps an untidy house and pays him no attention.
His favourite phrase is to point to the clutter and shout at me 'look at the mess, I can't live like this'. And then proceed to do nothing about the mess and tell me I should have tidied and cleaned the house.
Since October he had gone on on and about how he earns so much money so he should be 'entitled to have lovely things in life'.He recently traded in his acceptable 5 year old car, bought a brand new £25k flashy car on finance, and still intends buying a sports car in the next few weeks. He could walk to work if he wished.
Meanwhile I'm driving around in a 12 year old rusty banger.
He then went and bought 2 new suits for work at £350 pounds each, a pair of £200 shoes.
I haven't bought any new clothes in years.
He bought a mountain bike costing £1k and hasn't ridden it yet.
We've been away on 2 expensive luxury weekend hotel breaks (his idea_ with the kids which were hugely miserable due to his behaviour even away from home.
At christmas he told me (in a rare moment of acting nicely) that he wanted to book 3 family holidays abroad this year, including a long haul, 'because he is working so hard he deserves it'
All when he knew I was about to be unemployed.
Despite me watching the pennies and worrying about our huge mortgage and the thousands of pounds of debt we have.

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