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My Ex wants my son over Christmas

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DozenRoses · 21/12/2013 19:51

Hello

Can you please tell me what you'd do if you were me.

I am 26 years of age I have a son who is 7 years of age I am no longer with his father we broke up when my son was 1 years of age due to me finding out the type of person he really was, I ask whoever reads this and comments to please not judge me as a person. To cut a long story short...

My Sons father recently came out of prison 3 months he spent 8 months in there and was found not guilty on a very serious charge, he has been in prison 3 times since I broke up with him and they have always been very serious charges but whenever it goes to court he is always found not guilty because witness and victims are scared to testify again him and his "gang"

During the time he was in there this time I did let his family have access to my son as they haven't done anything wrong, on the first occasion I let them have him on the weekend my son came home and told me that his 'uncle' had taken him to see his dad in (school) prison, and that his nan had told him not to tell me that he'd been there, I called her and told her very nicely that I don't want my son going back there, she said that I shouldn't keep him away from his dad but said she will not let him go there again.

Now my Sons dad is out I have been letting him see my son, first it was just for the day every Saturday, then he said that he wants to have him from Friday night to Saturday night which I wasn't comfortable with but I let him, my son is on a strict bed time routine he is allowed to go to bed at 9.30 on weekends, when I call him to say goodnight he is never ready for bed, he is either playing a games console our out driving with his dad, there was a time when his dad allowed him to sleep over at his 'cousins' house which I wasn't too happy about, can you blame me? I don't know them and anything could have happened to him.

His Dad makes me feel like a rubbish parent, he will say to me "Why is he dressed like that?" I refuse to dress my son in designer clothes as I feel as they are a waste of money, but that is all his father wants him wearing which is pathetic my son is 7 he doesn't care what he wears. He will also ask me "Why doesn't he have this?" I refuse to buy expensive toys for my son the budget for his Birthday and Christmas is £50, a lot of people say that I am mean, but I won't spoil him with material things, the only thing I will spoil him with is love.

Now we are approaching Christmas his dad has "told" me that he wants him he wants him now until he goes back to school. And now my son has got it in his head that he will be spending Christmas with his dad and "cool friends and family" and that he is excited to open all his presents under their Christmas tree. During the 8 months his dad was in prison he went back to the "normal" child he was, now whenever we are out he will ask for expensive toys and games and when I say no he will go into a strop and not speak to me, also his behaviour has changed again at school, he has gone from being "a pleasure to teach" to hitting other children and not listening.

I don't want my son spending Christmas and new year with his dad, (also to mention that my son suffers from sickle cell anemia and could go into crisis at any time) but I don't know how to tell him that he won't be having him over Christmas, and also I don't know how my son is going to take the news I don't want to ruin Christmas for him, nor want him spend Christmas with a man who sells drugs and has been arrested for murder and gun charges.

I do want to cut of all communication with his dad but scared my son will hate me for it.

Thanks for taking the time out to read this.

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cjel · 23/12/2013 08:52

Morning. Hope you got some good rest and have a good dayx

DozenRoses · 23/12/2013 10:31

Morning Cjel things are worst this morning, he woke up at 7 I got him ready and set off to Saimsburys just to get a few things, he wanted an expensive toy for £50 when I told him he couldn't have it he started punching and kicking me, as you can imagine the whole shop was busy heads were turning and I could hear lots of whispering I just walked away from him as I didn't know what to do, then he run in the opposite direction, I was frantic looking for him for 25 minutes, when I found him I just grabbed him left my shopping and left the shop with him punching me. He didn't make a sound on the whole duration home, but when we got back in the house he started punching and kicking again. I have locked him out of the living room where I am, reason being I don't want to hit him back which he is driving me towards. I don't know what to do, what do I do if this carries on? He is only doing this because he wants to see his dad, I got a phone call from his mother a few minutes ago telling me that she'll be coming for him tomorrow morning, I found the strength to tell her that she won't be coming for him tomorrow as he is staying with me.

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cjel · 23/12/2013 11:35

Oh no . I'm so sorry to hear all this. Have you a friend you can ring to be with you while you try and talk to him?

DozenRoses · 23/12/2013 12:11

Cjel I don't think someone being there whilst I talk to him will make any difference I've called my friend, and she has told me just to let him go to his dads and come to hers at Christmas as agreed! All I want is for my son to have a nice Christmas but I don't think it will happen I have a feeling that he isn't going to back down until he gets what he wants and I don't want him to hate me for not letting him spend Christmas with his 'cool' family who I refuse to compete with.

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cjel · 23/12/2013 12:34

Its so hard isn't it. I hope you can be strong and let him go to his dads and then you can have a lovely christmas. HOpefully this will be your worst one and after christmas you can go through the legal channels to make sure you all know where you stand. When does he have to go to his dads?x

DozenRoses · 23/12/2013 12:40

Cjel so you are suggesting I just let him go there? He is due to go tomorrow, I could let him open his presents from myself and friends tomorrow before he goes?

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ivykaty44 · 23/12/2013 12:45

I would rather my child hated me and I stood my ground - hard as that maybe it will be easier now than in the future trying to stop this.

My feeling is if your ds was to go with his dad for xmas - your ds will not have a good time as he will miss his mum and be scared to tell his dad he wants to come home

cjel · 23/12/2013 12:53

No, I am not suggesting anything to you , but in your post of 12:11:53 you said that your friend had said you should let him go to his dads and come to hers at christmas as agreed.

I can't advise you on what to do about access to his dad, until you have it sorted legally you may have to give a bit and let him see him sometimes. I think you are right limiting his time with his dad and I wouldn't take parenting advice from your son though.!!
What do you think will be the best plan?

clam · 23/12/2013 12:59

The trouble is, if you let him go, he will have learnt that kicking and punching his mother is a method that works in getting him what he wants.

clam · 23/12/2013 13:01

And if you stick with your plan of not sending him, then you need to be out at whatever time your ex's mother plans to turn up. You don't want an ugly tug-of-war on the doorstep.

Don't be afraid to man up and be the parent here. You are in charge. Yes, he might think he hates you momentarily, but he doesn't really.

Remember, no one ever said this parenting malarkey was easy! Flowers

MyNameIsKenAdams · 23/12/2013 13:03

Do not let him go with Dad. Dad has already threatened that he will keep him

Keep your son with you.

If you think it will help calm your son, explain that you are not allowing him to go to his Dads because his Dad is becoming nasty.

DozenRoses · 23/12/2013 13:06

Ivykaty44 I want him to stay with me but I also want him to be happy on Xmas day. I am not to sure if my DS thinks he will be coming back on Christmas Day but I know his dad and family will try and keep him there as long as possible. There was a time when my DS came home and told me that his dad took him to a ladies house and left him there until late then picked up by him and when he woke in the middle of the night his dad wasn't there. There has been a lot of other things that have happened which I don't agree with. Cjel as much as I love my friend I don't want to him going to his dads I want him here with me, but I don't want my sons aggressive behaviour continuing

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MyNameIsKenAdams · 23/12/2013 13:12

Your sons aggressive behaviour is as a direct result of exposure to his Dad the lifestyle he keeps.

DozenRoses · 23/12/2013 13:13

Clam it is right what you are saying the hitting needs to NOT happen again, and I will be out from early tomorrow but I know there is going to be consequences of my actions

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MrsSquirrel · 23/12/2013 13:33

Have you spoken to social services yet? You can ring the main number for the borough you live in and ask to be put through to the duty social worker for children. Tell them everything you have told us here.

When you say 'I know there is going to be consequences of my actions', what are you afraid of?

clam · 23/12/2013 13:35

But it looks like the consequences of not acting will be greater. I predict that if you keep allowing him to go, it will not be long before he decides he wants to live with Dad full-time, and if that happens you will have lost him for good, and be consigning him to the sort of life your ex lives.

MrsSquirrel · 23/12/2013 13:37

Also I agree with KenAdams that ds's aggressive behaviour is the result of exposure to dad's lifestyle. Keeping ds with you is a way of protecting him.

DozenRoses · 23/12/2013 13:45

MrsSquirrel I am going to leave it until after Christmas then phone them as I don't think they'll be able to help me immediately. I say that meaning I don't know what will happen if I don't let him go which is worrying for me. Clam that's the main reason why I don't want him having contact with his dad and his family the more they keep giving the more he will keep on wanting to be around them, but I don't want to ruin Christmas for him.

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MrsSquirrel · 23/12/2013 13:55

Fair enough, I can see your point about ss.

Good luck with it all. I hope you and ds can stay safe. FWIW I think stopping contact with dad is the right decision.

cestlavielife · 23/12/2013 13:56

do you know where dad lives?
can you go there on boxing day or day after to pick him up? can you go with couple other people to pick him up?
frankly i would not trust them to bring him back
also i would not trust them to care for him well but if you have decided he should go there then so be it. but you are mixing up "ruining his christmas" with actually making sure he is safe.

his behaviour is as others said a result of him going to dad's (not because he isnt going or you saying no...) .

ok so you will leave this til after christmas, but get all the numbers you will need for after christmas because you will need support and help...

remember that there will be a duty social worker on call over chirstmas so if you concerned you can call them for advice.

a seven year old in a house with lots of people alcohol - possibly drugs etc and who knows what.... or are there going to be other children there? if there will be other children and it will be a kids xmas then fair enough - if it will be your son in a houseful of adults then i would be very concerned.....

overthebliddyhill · 23/12/2013 13:57

Better a (maybe) ruined Christmas now than a ruined life .

DozenRoses · 23/12/2013 14:09

Cestlavielife. Yes I know where he lives, I don't really want to go there, I always have them collect him and bring him back. Not too sure who will be in the house I won't be able to relax or sleep knowing he is there. Overthebiddlyhill it is right what you are saying but I don't want to make matters worst.

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cjel · 23/12/2013 14:11

Please ring ss now just to have a chat about what may happen if your ex doesn't give your son back when you want him. I think going out when hes due to collect may not be very wise if he has parental rights. Please give duty sw a call to chat over your options.

clam · 23/12/2013 14:20

Whether or not he has parental rights is surely beside the point, as there is no official contact order in place. He can't just rock up on Christmas Eve to take the child when there has been no agreement about it, other than him making a unilateral decision in the last couple of days that he's having him.

KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 23/12/2013 14:53

CLAM talks a lot of sense.
Good luck OP