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is anyone interested in an alchohol-free / addiction thread?

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youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 12:30

My name is youretoastmildred, and I am an alcoholic.

I am 42 days alcohol free.
have been a problem drinker for a long time and have often convinced myself that moderate drinking will be fine. It never stays moderate.
In this 42 days there have been certain key people that I have not had to see. I have 2 events coming up with them that will be massive triggers and I am looking for support (and very very willing to offer what support I can to anyone else)

I have lurked on Brave Babes and it seems to be a thread of successfully moderate drinkers, and alcoholics who can't / don't actually stop. (The poster who started those threads by stopping completely isn't there: I also remember some 12 step nondrinkers from the early days who don't seem to be there any more. There are a lot of posts by people enumerating what they are having or will have and whether or not this is ok but I don't see much actual NOT DRINKING EVER which is what I need to do)

By contrast, the AA meeting that I attend, while it will always have a couple of people back after a relapse, is mostly packed with people with months and years sober.

Is anyone interested in an actual not-drinking or beating other addictions thread? I am NOT saying I am not interested in talking to those who relapse. I am saying that I DO want to talk to people who aim to stop drinking.

any takers?

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Enidcoleslaw · 28/10/2013 22:22

You get a sponsor by having a look about at meetings, seeing if there is someone you've heard sharing whose sobriety seems attractive - they look like they are coping with life and even enjoying it too (that's important to me anyway!) and then you ask them if they could sponsor you. They would need to have been through the programme (the twelve steps outlined in the book) themselves and hopefully if they have time they'll be able to help you to go through the programme too. Women for women, men for men tends to be the suggestion.

Weegiemum · 28/10/2013 22:22

Thanks for understanding about bpd - very few people know I have it, my health care team, my dh, my best friend. Very few else.

For me, drinking is something I do in order to stop the pain of being me - me, the person with bpd, all the ghastly things I think about myself every day. I'm working very hard on learning to love myself, on self-soothing and other tricks. My bpd has severe aspects - my splitting (everything is either perfect or evil) and dissociation (I feel out of body, not really "me") are both troublesome.

But it's after 10pm so I can't buy (does anyone else get that sense of relief at the close of licensing hours?) so now that's 18 days!! Next struggle for me is my brother getting married on Thursday. It would cause Hmm with my family if I don't at least drink the champagne at the toasts! but otherwise I plan not to drink at all.

The biggest causative factor for my bpd is my mum leaving. I was 12, she left with my dad's "best friend". I no longer have contact with my mum. My sister does, and because of this, my sister chooses not to have contact/speak to me. So I'm thinking it'll be a hard day.

Enidcoleslaw · 28/10/2013 22:27

I don't have bpd weegiemum but I totally identify with drinking being the thing I do to stop the pain of being me.

I always felt like some kind of weird, uncomfortable alien. When I was a teenager I felt SO self conscious and ugly and awkward and I can remember one of the first times I got drunk looking in the mirror and the world was all soft focus and I felt ok, which wasn't at all usual for me. Then I chased that feeling for years and years despite the pain it was soon causing. I kept looking for that relief from the pain of being me even after it had stopped working.

youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 22:29

Well done Weegie on 18 days!

I am sorry to hear about the pain of bpd and about your mum leaving.

Listen, I know I don't know you and your family, but honestly it is completely fine not to drink the toasts. It really is. I find it a little sad that you say that you have to, just after you say that you are trying to learn to love yourself. there really is a tension there. you are allowed to draw your own boundaries, in self love.

Are you looking forward to the wedding at all? Or is it only a thing to be got through? I think you need different mental strategies for each.

My family (my birth family, not my own dp and dcs) are the biggest booze trigger for me, and it is them I am worrying about on the weekends of the 3rd and the 16th. In fact, the latter is a big family party of the old school type and it will look very bad for me not to drink. Somehow I have to find a way not to care about this. Easier said than done. But I do feel in principle that it is fine to do this if we need to. Fine for you, fine for me.

Maybe some of you wise people will help me make some plans towards these events over the next few days and weeks?

Enid, thanks for explaining. I would definitely choose a woman as a sponsor... in fact if I could have free choice I think I would choose a woman with children (not that it is that simple, I am sure)

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youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 22:30

Enid, so well-described

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Lovedaysthename · 28/10/2013 22:31

I was the 'golden child', of four. The brightest, and delivered. Something devastating happened, and I was sort of ignored as if I would be okay in it all. I was young and got used to the idea of others seeing I had no 'emotional needs'.
Fast forward to adulthood and the lesson was ground in. I'd see that I was seeing life through a semi-opaque mirror, like a bathroom mirror. Sometimes I'd break it but that was costly. Much easier to just ignore it via the effects of drinking because 1. it was sociable and 2. the real damage had already been done and booze wasn't going to make it worse, and even alcohol would release the loving emotions that I had defered, hence the joy of living with my friends who just saw me for who I was unconditionally, as well as being a good drinking sort.
Well this isn;t easy. And a bit jumbled.

youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 22:32

Right I am going to go to bed now.

I have really enjoyed meeting you all and look forward to talking more soon. I am sorry if I go on and on too much. I find it hard to talk irl but I think the sharing aspect of AA is very special and I hope that I can be allowed to use this thread for that (even if nobody reads that). and of course I would love it if others did similar.

Lurkers, if any, we would all love to hear from you.

Well done to all who have had an alcohol free day

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Enidcoleslaw · 28/10/2013 22:34

I picked a woman with children because it felt important that she got that experience. The pain of being a mother and an alcoholic was huge for me - I thought having a child would fix me and I wouldn't be like that anymore but I was and now I just had another layer of horror at myself - now I was a shit mum as well as a shit daughter, friend etc. it's also handy to have someone to talk things through with who gets how bloody stressful having (much loved yet exasperating!) children.

I agree about the toasts by the way. You could always say it's an antibiotics thing if that's more comfortable. There's always a way round stuff like that.

I know for me that if I pick up the first drink then all bets are off.

youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 22:37

Thanks Lovedays for that post
Enid, yep the mother thing is key

good night all

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Enidcoleslaw · 28/10/2013 22:39

It sounds a bit like a struggle to connect loveday? I was always searching for connection too. To be really seen, to really show myself but it never felt quite real.

It also seems it might be quite hard to ask for help if you are used to being seen as having no emotional needs? But quite safe in a way too because if you're not asking no one can let you down.

Weegiemum · 28/10/2013 22:42

I suppose I think I have to because I don't want to worry my dad. I'm really looking forward to seeing my wee brother married! My dd1 (she's 13) is doing a reading at the ceremony. It's going to be great, my brothers fiancée is fabulous and I get to see my dad and Stepmum which right now is bittersweet as she just got diagnosed with breast cancer Sad

My family don't take mental health issues seriously, they don't get it (I had a few days in hospital with PND and they really didn't get that!). So I try to play along.

Dh has said he'll go to the bar and get me appletiser in a champagne glass - I luffs him so much!!

Lovedaysthename · 28/10/2013 22:49

Enid - yes but it's too complicated to express well by typing it, as I am sure you will understand? But yes, not asking means you are safe and there isn't the disappointment.

I've had the two bottles left from last night. My friend is calling round tomorrow night to do a minor job in the house. He'll reasonably expect a wee tipple as we go. Day 1 means that isn;t going to happen. This will mean nothing until at least Day 4.
Thanks to all, esp mildred for kicking this off.

Enidcoleslaw · 28/10/2013 22:49

That sounds like a great way round it WM. So good you can rely on your dh to support you in it too.

youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 22:53

I can't help it, I am going to write more

About the family party: if my mother knew that someone else was worrying this much about something to do with her, that was supposed to be lovely and fun, she would be appalled. She would certainly not expect anyone to drink if it would be bad for them. She would be as easygoing and as warm as she could.

but this is me, so it is vitally important that I do what is expected. she will never know that this is hard or dangerous for me, because she can never know that anything is hard or dangerous for me, or that anything is other than fine and dandy.

So what we have is a situation where I am worrying about this because the alternative is to admit that something is wrong, and feel so terribly impossible and guilty about that. that will never happen

My mother is like a person who (like me, who does this all the time, and I am interested in the word "baggage" because baggage in the literal and metaphorical senses is something I have huge issues with - I am very very slow to let go and recover, AND I always have FAR TOO MUCH CRAP in my ACTUAL bag) - who says "the priority for this journey is to relax and have fun and make things easy so I am going to pack very, very light. Bring nearly nothing. just some spare pants and a jumper." Ok that would be fine. but now it is "And what if I get invited out - must have some decent shoes" and "what if it pours with rain I must have a full chnage of clothes" and "well I need to bring a jacket if I am bringing those trousers" and so it goes on. In the end you have 3 huge bags and are totally miserable and laden down with them and it is NOT because you consciously abandoned the top priority - to relax and have fun. It is because you mistakenly believed you could do it all - you could be relaxed AND prepared for every eventuality AND always correct. And something had to give, and it was the one you were telling everyone, including yourself, was the top priority

My mother wrote me some heartfelt letters (which I found unbearable, and wrote to tell her this, and in return got ANOTHER ONE) when I was pregnant and unmarried about how terrible this was and how sad it made her. One of the sentences which blew my mind was "all I ever wanted for you was for you to be healthy and happy". I cannot remember anything being about me being healthy or happy when I was growing up. I can remember a lot of stuff about me not embarrassing her, not getting in her way, doing well at school, behaving correctly etc, which I suppose she honestly believed was just "extra". But I was suicidal a lot of the time that she was bothered about my O levels and my manners. It was not happy or healthy for me to be suicidal.

Anyway in the same vein here I am agonising about how I am going to manage not to have a drink at her party. If you asked her "would you like Mildred to do something, for appearances, and for your sake, that will make her very ill?" she would say "of course not!" and be appalled. But she just doesn't see it. She thinks I can be happy, and healthy, AND have a little drink, and be jolly, and have perfect manners, and wear the right things, which are just exactly sexy enough, and be confident, but not bumptious, and elegant, but self deprecating, and..... she doesn't see how I am fixed at all. Healthy and happy is so far beyond my reach right now, I really have to make a choice about what to jettison, like, for instance, booze

Sorry for another essay

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youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 22:54

x-posts - weegiemum you are so much more succinct than me, but same stuff about what family expect
great idea from your dh.

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Lovedaysthename · 28/10/2013 22:55

essay away mildred.

youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 22:56

thanks. good night

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MrsMargoLeadbetter · 28/10/2013 23:15

A great thread.

My brother is 4 years sober and has found peace/happiness. Going to the meetings is the key to success I think. Good luck to you all.

Lovedaysthename · 29/10/2013 08:05

Morning All. How are you Mr? What are you thinking about any plans for today?
I've bagged up all of the bottles for the drive of shame to the btle bank. They aren't all mine, but way too many are and I'm tired of the guilt-laden chinking noise they make as I carry them. Whilst there I'll pick up some fruit, and I've heard lemon in water is a good assist for kidneys and liver?

And I have baggage issues, of both/all kinds mildred. My work bag is bulging as I don;t devote enough time daily to unpack it. Resonant of not unpacking feelings, to me at least. Also, being who I am in the family I'm not supposed to have any problem of this magnitude.

I'm not sure how to handle things with friend tonight, whether to just state I won;t be drinking tonight/for the foreseeable future, or just to side step it and get on with the job. I'm thinking the former. I'd prefer things to be crystal clear and know where we stand.

When I've not drunk for a day or two it's purely been a passive thing, with little doubt I'd be 'topping up' v shortly. I think waking up on the morning of Day 3, intact and with a plan, will be a game-changer tbh.

Realised the irony of urging non-twee yesterday whilst having a nn of Loveday, which others could think is twee-ness of the highest order. It is an actual proper name! Just a very old fashioned one but with a nice history.

MrMeanour · 29/10/2013 09:05

Morning all! I feel 'ok' but have a horrible cold and throat, so wish I could stay in bed:( sadly, I in charge where I work and two out of three of the staff are off this week, so have no choice. Just burst into tears in front of a colleague! gahh I am intending to work like a fool, and go early Smile.

I don't want to cause trouble the minute the thread is started but honestly, I have serious aversion to AA and hope we can all share our experiences of how we are going to beat this without suggesting that we all try the same path. Does that make sense? Don't shout at me, I'm fragile!! and I totally see why people use the 'A' groups - just was quite damaged by them personally. Anyway, I am intending to have a good day (once I finish a pile of work!) May try to go for a quick run tonight, but not sure yet..I reckon we can all do this you know.

MrMeanour · 29/10/2013 09:07

Been thinking of names for 'us'. Maybe along the lines of 'Restarting, Rejuvenating and Rejoicing'?? Bit twee actually, but something positive like that?

Enidcoleslaw · 29/10/2013 09:22

I'm sorry your experience of aa wasn't good mrmeanour, 12 step fellowship works pretty well for me, then again I am lucky to live somewhere with a vast amount of meetings to choose from so if I didn't like one I just went to different ones. I certainly have no problem with other people picking a different path, the experience I can share of getting and maintaining sobriety is from that perspective though. I had some unfortunate experiences in early recovery in aa when my own boundaries were dead confused and I was vulnerable. There are some creeps about (as there are everywhere) so it definitely pays to be cautious and to stick with the women at least at first. Not saying that was your experience as you've not said and neither should you unless you would like to.

I think for me the fellowship (connecting with people who accepted me after being so disconnected) and emphasis on abstinence ( as opposed to trying and failing to control my drinking as I had in the past) was very helpful at the start (still is) and later on the process of the steps helps me keep on top of stuff that might otherwise take me back to that place of discomfort and pain where I am seeking relief from that.

I suppose I also think that just as you feel a serious aversion to aa and it's right that you feel you can share that it is also fair enough that people who have a different experience are allowed to share that too.

Whatever works for you though, I've heard good things about smart recovery. I wonder if that might be worth a look for you? I don't know a huge amount about it but I know there are resources online.

Well done on getting through day 1, 24 hours sober is a 100% success for you :)

MrMeanour · 29/10/2013 09:28

Absolutely agree we must all share how we are getting there! There's no right way for everyone. Sorry if I came across aggressive or pushy.

Lovedaysthename · 29/10/2013 09:29

Oooh I don't think the AA route will in any way be foisted, or even 'suggested' as a panacea. It's courses for horses, isn't it? and whatever folk will consider is good for them is fine. I've gotten small plans and gambits in my head already to prepare for what will come in the next few days and none of it goes anywhere near an AA style of working, as far as I understand it.

Bottles dumped, lemon juice in hot water cooling, and then off to work. I'll be in radio silence mode for rest of day and large chunks of the evening, so best for today, and don't run Mr if you have cold/throat. Rest and recovery.

MrMeanour · 29/10/2013 09:32

The trouble is, as you said, where I live there are the 'top dogs' in all the meetings and there was nowhere else for me to go. It was a real shame because I started off really hopeful and gave it 2 months until I was so unhappy with the people there I had to leave. I know this is a really unusual experience - I'm not going to start getting snitty with people for whom it works. I wish there were some SMART meetings near me, would def give that a go!