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is anyone interested in an alchohol-free / addiction thread?

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youretoastmildred · 28/10/2013 12:30

My name is youretoastmildred, and I am an alcoholic.

I am 42 days alcohol free.
have been a problem drinker for a long time and have often convinced myself that moderate drinking will be fine. It never stays moderate.
In this 42 days there have been certain key people that I have not had to see. I have 2 events coming up with them that will be massive triggers and I am looking for support (and very very willing to offer what support I can to anyone else)

I have lurked on Brave Babes and it seems to be a thread of successfully moderate drinkers, and alcoholics who can't / don't actually stop. (The poster who started those threads by stopping completely isn't there: I also remember some 12 step nondrinkers from the early days who don't seem to be there any more. There are a lot of posts by people enumerating what they are having or will have and whether or not this is ok but I don't see much actual NOT DRINKING EVER which is what I need to do)

By contrast, the AA meeting that I attend, while it will always have a couple of people back after a relapse, is mostly packed with people with months and years sober.

Is anyone interested in an actual not-drinking or beating other addictions thread? I am NOT saying I am not interested in talking to those who relapse. I am saying that I DO want to talk to people who aim to stop drinking.

any takers?

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Newbie05 · 29/10/2013 17:24

I used to think 'Bridget Jones, she drinks more than me, I can't have a problem- HA'.

I mean, WHO compares themselves to a fictional character? Normal? I don't think so! Please tell me I'm not the only one or I'll be too embarrassed to come back.......

youretoastmildred · 29/10/2013 17:25

I remember going out midweek to a concert with someone and agonising all day about how I was going to explain I was not drinking. When it came to it, he didn't, either. It just wasn't necessary in his world to treat a mid-week last minute event (free tickets turned up from somewhere) as a DRUNK-PORTUNITY

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ImagineJL · 29/10/2013 17:27

Mildred there is one antibiotic that absolutely cannot be combined with alcohol. Anyone who drinks while taking it will be very sick. It's actually used in the drug Antabuse. It's called metronidazole. It's often prescribed by dentists for abscesses etc. That would be a good excuse, because a dental abscess wouldn't make you ill and it wouldn't be visible to anyone else, so very believable. And the "one won't hurt" line doesn't work either, because even a tiny amount of alcohol mixed with metronidazole would make you really sick.

MrMeanour · 29/10/2013 18:35

I watch coronation street and reckon if they're having a few every night it must be ok Blush

BrokenEggshells · 29/10/2013 20:53

Room for one more please?

Been thinking a lot the last couple of weeks about my drinking and I have come to the conclusion I need to stop completely. Moderate drinking I cant do. I can stop for days (more commonl y days if at all) or a month inbetween but when I drink I DRINK. Kinda the thought I never get one bottle of wine but always get another for backup.

My kids serve more to be frank and I hate tge guilt and shame the next day (and for me I get a bit panicky and health anxious about things)

Funny thought I feel frankly a bit terrified about the thought of abstinence forever. I know I use alcohol as a crutch against the lonliness and stress of being a single parent of a high maintenance young toddler and another one. Ive been raised the way alcohol is tge accepted norm every.night in my family. Never day time but come past 6pm fill yer boots.
Excuse all typos internet isnt playing ball so on phone but great thread

youretoastmildred · 29/10/2013 21:01

Hi brokeneggshells!

"I feel frankly a bit terrified about the thought of abstinence forever. "

Don't think about it then. I won't. I can't.
(I am not being flippant)

right now this cup of tea will do me fine, and all I need is right now.

Sorry to hear life is stressful. toddlers can fray your nerves like nothing else.

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BrokenEggshells · 29/10/2013 21:06

Newbie the likes of that rings a bell I do it with smoking too. Weegle my mum calls me thrawn too ( I read its as stubborn, obstinate and will fight my corner) :)

youretoastmildred · 29/10/2013 21:11

yep, me too. I would always notice that sophisticated people on TV can have a glass of wine alone after a hard day doing a glamorous job, in their fabulous bachelorette pad, perhaps in satin pyjamas, and they aren't losers.

I went out for dinner with a bunch of people the other day and did not drink. In some ways it was fine, in others, it was kind of hard work (but that is the people as much as anything). Anyway I was putting one of them up which was a bit of a pain as I was just exhausted with everything by home time and wanted to be alone, but you know, you get on with it. When we got home I was so relieved that I had not been drinking and therefore did not have the death-wish urge to open another bottle at home, which would have been impossible in front of a normal sensible person. What a relief to have a cup of tea and go to bed.

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BrokenEggshells · 29/10/2013 21:21

Thanks Mildred and I know you arent being flippant at all, its merely a case of taking a day at a time. Trying to get my head round it thats all.

If Im totally honest drink is my crutch now because of toddlers but theres always an excuse isnt there? Before that's there was the breakups. Before that I was the ' party girl'. Alcohol has been inextricably linked throughout my life for one reason or another andy I want to break that cycle as I feel so much better andy healthier when Im not drinking. Like during my.pregnancies. One of tgem wasnt easy but I felt not only healthy in body but mind.

youretoastmildred · 29/10/2013 22:11

Glad you felt better when not drinking - you have something to compare it to.

Here is stage 2 of my drinking story:

When I went to university I had had a tiny number of hangovers and drinking didn't seem to me to be anything remotely to worry about. Not drinking in the evening (or any time) was much more a habit than drinking. but I did enjoy it.

At college I struggled. I really panicked. I think looking back I had serious problems with anxiety and depression. I can remember lying in bed panicking so hard I was thinking about suicide; other times lying in bed, knowing I was late for something that was happening right now, with tears rolling down my face.
I wanted to make friends but I didn't know how.
I had lost my faith years ago and with no one watching me did not go to Mass any more. I didn't join the chapel choir because it didn't occur to me to go to C of E services. I got in with a group of people who appeared to drink a lot and appeared to smoke a lot of dope (but actually looking back it is clear that many of them were very disciplined about when and how much, and actually did very well)
I was so anxious all the time I had no idea how to make the most of any opportunities. I glued myself to my friends in the bar. I did not know how to be alone. As a result I hardly knew how to do any work. A lot of people thought I was very cool. ha ha ha ha.
I met a man (he was a mature student, not old, 23, but he seemed grown up to me). he was clever and funny and sensitive and had fiendish mental health problems. I was insanely in love with him. I felt sick with love. He was the most handsome man in the world. To this day it blows my mind that I got anywhere near someone so unbelievably handsome. He could be very quiet and intimidating. The more withdrawn he was the more I would hang around him waiting for him to be warm and sweet again.

I drank and smoked constantly.

At Easter my sister took me on a short walking holiday and you could not drink or smoke in the youth hostel. In the evenings, after good healthy exercise, I drank tea and worked through a course book from a course that I had totally neglected for months. I learnt it all in 3 or 4 sober evenings and that summer I got a First in that subject and did well in the rest. Overall I got a 2:1 for the year. I seemed to be getting away with things.
I couldn't see that the reason I had managed it was because I had had that sober break with no drinking or smoking and I was feeling secure enough to work, for the first time all year, in the youth hostel with my sister. I didn't feel alone and I was able to concentrate. I didn't see what this meant about how I had to manage my life to have more of those times. I had no idea how to.

I was brought up religious but I was taught nothing about how to look after myself spiritually, (or emotionally or mentally - even physical health was considered a bit declasse by my dad who thought we did too much PE at school). Socially? Ha - having friends was actively disapproved of. I had no idea how to look after myself, even that it was allowed to have my needs met. I needed to learn relaxation techniques; I need to build some exercise into my life; I needed to address the issue of my faith instead of running away from it; I needed a social network and some study buddies; I actually think I needed a proper professional to talk to as well. Instead, I drank and smoked, drank and smoked, drank and smoked.

I actually felt so bad so much of the time I couldn't even see how bad I felt. I had nothing to compare it to. I assumed everyone felt like that and covered up well. Maybe many of them did - I went to a university where people did commit suicide. I knew three suicides at university. we were not looked after. It did not occur to me to try to talk to someone about any of this. It literally did not occur to me.

Something terrible happened in my third year that I do not want to write here. (It was not sexual abuse of any kind.) I lost my mind and forgot how to write. I saw my hand trying to write on the page and couldn't do it. My cousin told me to try to get help or at least get out of the exams. I couldn't do it. I could not actually talk to anyone. I didn't know how to start. I took the exams, got a third, and went home to my parents for a short time before leaving to stay with a friend in London with no money, no job, shit qualifications. It was a nasty leaving. I fell out with my mum the night before I left and was not speaking to her. I can't remember why. I am sure I was a massive pain the arse.

When the bad thing happened, in the holidays after, I played the piano at home for hours on end. I could do nothing else. I sat and played and played and my tears fell on the keyboard and when I was playing I was not hurting myself. My mother came in and asked me why I was crying and was angry with me. She knew about the bad thing. I couldn't understand what she expected me to say to "why". She was always angry with me for feeling bad.

I don't mind if anyone is reading this or not. I am not going to write any more just now.

I hope you are all having a good night and are curled up somewhere warm with someone nice and your entertainment of choice x

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youretoastmildred · 29/10/2013 22:15

I have never told anyone all this like a story. Strange to think that DP doesn't know any of this.
I know I always say I am not writing any more and then I always do.

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CJCregg · 29/10/2013 22:17

BrokenEggshells your post rang so many bells with me. I was that person, too. Brought up in a culture of a drink as soon as the sun was over the yardarm, first thing when I got home from work, etc etc.

Yes, the thought of abstinence 'forever' is daunting. That thought stopped me doing anything at all about my drinking, for years and years. It really is like flicking a switch, though - once I'd made the leap, I couldn't believe how easy it was. Much, much easier to say 'no', plain and simple, than to do that awful dance of 'just one', or 'two and then I'll stop because I'm driving', or 'not during the week' and inevitably ending up hammered and doing something I either regretted or couldn't remember.

Life is complicated now because it is life, but it feels so bloody free without the alcohol. I'm in control, not the booze.

CJCregg · 29/10/2013 22:21

Sorry to x-post, mildred.

Lovedaysthename · 29/10/2013 23:17

mildred none of your words are wasted, so please don't stop writing.

So many new folks, hi. My friend has just gone (if you recall we were doing a job in my house) and we were largely successful in the task. We have a late Tesco round the corner selling booze til 11pm and he intimated that was an option ( I know him v well and knew the direction it was going). I said I wasn;t going to be drinking right now or in the forseeable future, and certainly not today. His response was to be slightly supportive but also slightly undermining - you can go back to it, it won;t be forever. He fully saw the liquid cosh point I was making and how I really derive so little from drinking yet it manages to blight me, and seems to keep me on a lead every day and keeping me away from my finer feelings. He is bpd and I think was a bit 'scared' by my words.
I am sure I will sleep better tonight. I am up early and tomorrow is a big exercise day. Day 1 is passing. The difference is that last week one day was just a 'rest day'. Tomorrow is another day.

Lovedaysthename · 29/10/2013 23:21

Today I've also been handed a real professional challenge, a development which I have no experience in and need to 'arm' myself with stuff before approaching it. Wandering into it in any befuddled state isn't an option.

Lovedaysthename · 29/10/2013 23:29

eggshells greetings to you. Where do you think you are re kicking it? Is it wish list item, talking to others, looking for support (well you're telling us so that one is sorted to a degree - is there anyone else in your life who should be knowing, to be there to assist?), ready to go now, or really not sure. OR a mix of all of them?

lovemenot · 30/10/2013 00:26

After 30 years of drinking (I'm now late 40's), I currently have five and a half years sober.

I didn't do AA either although I have no issue with their programme. So I just wanted to post here in case others are looking for a different way. Women tend to carry more guilt than men, and so the journey to sobriety can be different. I came across a Women's group called Women for Sobriety www.womenforsobriety.org/beta2/ .....it's American based but they may have some workshops in the UK. It's got an online forum that is totally private. I found it incredibly empowering, and now feel not that I can't drink, but that I simply don't drink.

FranTan · 30/10/2013 05:18

Hello

Good thread but confess I've not read all. Just feeding the baby. Coming up to 8 years sober. Regularly attend AA meetings. X

MrMeanour · 30/10/2013 07:01

So many sober inspiring people - I want to be able to write 'X years sober' Smile Anyway, good morning! Feeling very well today - good nights sleep after my run and my the hideous weekend has begun to start clearing. I have a ct scan at hospital this morning at 8am!!! early Shock I won't talk about what for yet - not being 'mysterious' Grin but it would out me completely and I'm not ready. Loving your story Mildred, so many similarities. So, I will hop in the shower and wish everyone a happy sober day.

Lovedaysthename · 30/10/2013 07:16

Morning Mr and all. Pretty good sleep and feeling far more 'refreshed' than is usual. And me and my friend stayed on the job last night instead of wandering off for booze, and I saved a few quid and now I'm well-placed to face the day and I quite like this state of feeling as it isn't accompanied by the notion that I will be automatically drinking later. That is something I need to plan for.

MrMeanour · 30/10/2013 08:59

I am meeting a very old friend after work tonight - at a pub. Can I be sent lots of Do Not Drink thoughts at 5pm Grin. I won't but I need that extra push! Just been for my scan. Very relaxing actually Grin

youretoastmildred · 30/10/2013 09:21

Hi Fran
Hi Lovemenot

very impressive, thanks for posting.

MrMeanour - hope the scan was ok.
About tonight - plan plan plan. know what you are going to drink so when it comes to it you just come out with it instead of going "ermmmmmmm"

and enjoy seeing your friend!

Have a good day all

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Enidcoleslaw · 30/10/2013 09:46

Could you meet in a coffee shop instead mrmeanour? I think for me early on it was massively helpful to stay out of places like pubs that are very alcohol focused. If you had just started a diet you wouldn't meet your friend at an all you can eat buffet! If someone was trying to quit heroin and they told you they were going to meet a friend at their dealers house and just sit with them while they used but not use themselves I'm sure you'd say 'don't do that! That's crazy!'. It's pretty much the same IMO.

I hope I'm not overstepping the mark and certainly I cant tell you what you should do but I hope this thread can be a place where we can be realistic with our advice and our responses?

Enidcoleslaw · 30/10/2013 09:58

Oh and a suggestion about the title - maybe something about living life on life's terms? Maintaining abstinence for me is about dealing with life as it happens without drinking. The good bits, the bad bits, the dull bits. So "embracing reality" or something?

DaisyBD · 30/10/2013 10:02

I totally agree with Enid about meeting somewhere other than a pub. If you keep going to a hairdressers, eventually you're going to get a haircut. It's a very hard thing to do to yourself, going to a pub. Can you try to be kind to yourself instead? Do something to show care and love for yourself, and not just agree to what the other person wants. It's ok to look after yourself and ask for what you need.