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Is it really that bad...because I feel like I want to boot him out

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EllieInTheRoom · 30/09/2013 20:06

I've been a lurker for months and posted once when I first found MN. Ive had to create a new account for this though as I couldn't remember what I'd registered under.

I'm in danger of either massively over reacting or massively under reacting and I would like some advice from some of you wise MNetters to probably do something in between.

I'll try and keep it as short as possible, sorry if it ends up dragging on...

DH and I have had issues for a couple of years now. Particularly during my pregnancy and in the first year or DS's life. He's 18 months now. DH was just a total selfish twunt, like many others probably. Very unsupportive, moody, downright mean on occasions. He also rediscovered porn and as a result we didn't have sex for 20 months. Last Christmas we nearly broke up but decided to try and work it out.

But then another issue came up, which was his work. He is self employed and works hard but dictates his own hours. For the first year of DS's life, he worked way too much and was out most nights. Infact, he was only at home for 47 evenings . I counted on the calendar once. He saw DS for a few hours every morning but because he was never home at night it meant 1) I could never go out with friends or to the gym, 2) I never got a break from the early mornings or sleep disturbance 3) it was hard to get my own work done and 4) I felt very lonely, we never saw each other and I felt our relationship wasn't recovering because of this, it is still very strained. To me anyway, he thinks its fine.

Two months ago, I snapped and said I couldn't go on and things had to change because I refused to live like this any longer. I said we didn't need money that much and laid down some rules. He had to have at least one day off a week, one weekend day a month and two evenings at home a week.

He stuck to it for six weeks. On Friday, he told me that this week he would be out every night working again, but quickly added that he had booked this week before my rules were implemented so he couldn't do anything about it. Then he proceeded to boast about the number of days off he had taken the last six weeks, how good he's been and suggested we have sex to celebrate as we haven't it for a while and tried to get me to thank him. I got annoyed at the time that he expected praise for a basic relationship requirement and forgot to ask the reasons why he had to work.

Anyway, I asked him today. He immediately went on the defensive and told me I never listen, it's impossible to tell me anything. He'd booked the work two months ago. I asked him what and which days and he said Thurs/Fri. It turns out the work he is doing tonight and tomorrow was definitely changeable and would only have been booked last week. I know this because I did the same work for the same people and still do sometimes.

I know for a fact he could have looked at his calendar last week, seen that he was working every night and decided to pass the work on to colleagues, which would have been easy because they all want more work. He didnt want to because he is in a mood with two of the guys he works with and didnt want to give them the extra.

So he has reneged on the agreement because of a stupid mood. I'll be on my own all week, struggling to get my own work done - ive a really busy week ahead - and look after DS

I know it might not seem the worst crime in the world but I feel like telling him to pack his bags. I resent the fact he tried to bluster over it by saying I don't listen to him to distract me from finding out the truth.

We didnt speak for an hour while I mulled over it. Then he started being really nice and sweet and went to work. I havent said my piece yet because I don't know what to say. Very often what would happen is it will just get left and add to the mountain of resentment, which is a permanent fixture in our front room and has a lovely decorative elephant on top of it.

How bad is it really? Thank you, if you've managed to get this far

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perfectstorm · 14/10/2013 13:48

And he made sure he got himself home from work quickly when it struck him that you might go when you were out (as indeed you were planning).

Yes, it's interesting that his hours are suddenly a great deal more flexible when it's his interests, rather than yours and his son's.

Handywoman · 14/10/2013 14:43

You 'caved' because you as so accustomed to trying to passify him. See a pattern here? Hard to break, even when the relationship is officially over. Just notice the 'caving' and move on, ie move... to your mum's (there must be a way). Or tell him to get out for the sake of all of you (especially your ds). You are doing great.

Zhx3 · 14/10/2013 14:54

Just wanted to add - you haven't caused this much pain - he has. It's not as if you didn't give him fair warning of how unhappy you were.

Hope you're ok Brew.

hellsbellsmelons · 14/10/2013 15:23

3 steps forward and 2 back is still 1 step further forward than you were.
You know you need to get out as soon as possible.
Don't worry about what you have 'agreed' to! This is about you and your son - you need to put his crap and feelings to one side now and concentrate on you.
Make sure he has given notice on the property or it'll drag on for even longer.
You contact the LL and make sure it has happenend!
You can do it - get packing and get out as soon as you can.
Get the key off of the builders and get to your mums.

JoylessFucker · 14/10/2013 16:19

Ellie, just because you've agreed to something, doesn't mean you HAVE to follow through. If you've made a bad decision - and you know in your heart of hearts that this is a bad decision - then change it. You are entitled to do so. You are a grown woman, a responsible and caring parent, you are totally entitled to see that your previous decision was the wrong one and to change it to the right one.

Just say, I'm sorry but you put me under pressure and I made a bad decision as a result of feeling sorry for you. That isn't doing our son any good and so I am changing that decision. End of discussion, walk away, let him cry, but stay wrong.

You are doing the right thing for BOTH your son and for you ... and it is your turn now, your STBeX has had his turn and blown it.

I wish you the strength and resolve to get through this to a good place for you & your DS.

JoylessFucker · 14/10/2013 16:20

Oh bugger ... stay STRONG not wrong

EllieInTheRoom · 14/10/2013 17:50

Thank you, you're all so right. You've said exactly what my DM said on the phone earlier. She called me from her holiday an I wasn't going to mention it until she got back, but I did.

She and my DF then called back to say thu were worried and they are driving back a day early and me and DS are going to stay with them tomorrow.

So that means tonight, I'll just be nice, go along with it all and tomorrow take DS to nursery and then take our things to the DPs. I have a solicitors appointment booked and also some appointments to view houses.

Fuck it really. So what, I promised we'd stay for a bit but he's broken enough promises to me so there you go.

Thanks everyone, you definitely helped me make the last hurdle. I mean, I know I've not made it yet but this time tomorrow....

Smile Thanks

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AnyFucker · 14/10/2013 17:59

That sounds so much better!

Please ignore the histrionic snot and vomiting. I am surprised you have any respect left for him at all after that pathetic display of emotional blackmail. What a shame he couldn't have shown just a smidgen of that regard for you before now. Oh sorry, the regard is all for himself not for you at all. He is the equivalent of the toddler who had his sweets taken away because he wouldn't share them

Useless twat

EllieInTheRoom · 14/10/2013 18:24

Haha it does doesnt it!? We get there in the end. No respect no, pity and guilt. I'm a sucker for guilt.

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EllieInTheRoom · 14/10/2013 18:27

It is amazing how you can all see through it though and I can't. And I think you're all absolutely right.

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AnyFucker · 14/10/2013 18:38

Easy for us to say, isn't it ?

Btw, I once did drag out a messy breakup with a bloke that had treated me badly. I finally saw the light and I made that fucker pay in snot and tears (as well as letting him publically humiliate himself), believe me. I got a large amount of satisfaction from that, as it was small fry compared to what he had put me through over the previous 18 months.

But there, perhaps I shouldn't project my own evil self onto other's behaviour Smile

SawofftheOW · 14/10/2013 18:46

EllieInTheRoom , I'm going to go against the grain, unusually, on this one. Reading through your thread from start to end, I believe that this man really does love you. He has been utterly thoughtless,selfish, focused too much on his work, careless with your feelings, physical ( believe me I abhor that behaviour), cavalier with his promises etc. But I don't believe that to sob over your child when your DW tells you it is over is extreme - I did exactly the same when my DH tried to chuck me out of the house when I found out about his OW/affair. I begged - went down on my knees - none of this is unusual or odd behaviour. I can't describe him as useless or pathetic for that - lots of my friends, male and female, have behaved exactly the same way at the point that they find their relationship may be about to end or there is another person in their partner's life.

I know that you don't love him any more, and I have no doubt that his behaviour and lack of care has driven you to that position but I don't see any wickedness in his response, just complete despair that he has blown it.

AnyFucker · 14/10/2013 18:47

Complete despair on his own part. Of course.

tingle1 · 14/10/2013 18:54

Af i pity whoever derives their sense of self satisfaction that way. although it does go some way to explain your posting style. every man mentioned on here is your abusive ex!

SawofftheOW · 14/10/2013 18:55

AF - I agree. But I still think his response is entirely human, even if it is not what we would hope for and imperfect because it is human. What else was he supposed to do - the OP has made it clear she wants him out. If he's going, and he has, hasn't he the right to beg and plead? Yes, of course he should have behaved better in the past, and he has had his chances. But to condemn a human being so completely for being distraught over the breakdown of his marriage - albeit he is absolutely key to that breakdown - strikes me as very harsh.

I've been on the end of so much shit behaviour, as have so many of us on here, but I still hope I am humane enough to acknowledge that we are all capable of suffering pain and that there can be redemption.

AnyFucker · 14/10/2013 18:56

If you say so, tingle1 Grin

AnyFucker · 14/10/2013 18:57

Well, saw the OP has been showing him "humanity" for far too long and he has ridden roughshod all over it. How long would you expect her to keep flogging that particular dead horse, exactly ?

SnookyPooky · 14/10/2013 19:03

Ellis you are amazing. Cool as a cucumber. You rock.

SnookyPooky · 14/10/2013 19:04

Ellie even. Bloody Autocorrect.

perfectstorm · 14/10/2013 19:30

Saw, I have to say my idea of redemption would be trying to talk through the OP's feelings, acknowledging his own responsibility, and trying to prove things could be better. Not hysterically insisting she shares his bed as a human teddy bear, histrionic grief, and total disregard for both her and their son. Grief is human and universal, absolutely. But the reality is that he's treated her horribly for a long time now, has brushed aside all her efforts to talk, and is now behaving as though he's the only one here whose feelings matter a jot. We've all (almost all - DH has never been, the lucky sod!) been dumped, and God does it hurt. But the OP isn't leaving for another party. She's not left without trying to work things through. And her H has shown no interest at all in trying to understand why - just in trying to prevent her from going.

OP, well done for talking with your parents, and I am so very glad you are getting that level of support. You deserve it and so does your little boy. This is almost over, now.

Tingle, your personal vendettas are not the OP's problem; to post in such a way on such a sensitive thread is both selfish and crass. Can I suggest you take your issues to PM, and leave the rest of us out of them, in future?

JoinYourPlayfellows · 14/10/2013 20:49

"And her H has shown no interest at all in trying to understand why - just in trying to prevent her from going."

Yes, this, exactly this.

EllieInTheRoom · 14/10/2013 22:41

Saw I never said he was pathetic or useless. I said on this thread a number of times that I was stunned by his reaction and talked about my guilt. I have not disregarded his pain.

His reaction made me uneasy because it was erratic and he has been known to get physical.

I did say I don't respect him, but that is more down to his continued use of porn instead of trying to sort things out with me then his reaction. Infact, I was so worried about his feelings I stayed in this house, when I really didn't want to, in a misguided effort to spare a few of them.

I have always known his actions are a result of genuine grief. Up until tonight I did think that was mainly about him and what he stood to lose. Tonight however, we have had another talk and he has shown genuine remorse and has taken a lot on board. So much so he decided he should leave and go to his DPs.

So he is working towards redemption, but for me it doesn't change anything sadly.

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JoinYourPlayfellows · 14/10/2013 22:44

He has gone?

That is brilliant news. :)

And you are right, his "redemption" is not your problem.

ScaryFucker · 14/10/2013 22:50

Glad he has gone. He should have done that in the first place, if he feels true remorse.

EllieInTheRoom · 14/10/2013 22:52

Yeah. He seemed to finally get it as well. It makes me feel sad for everything that has been lost. He kept saying that we can get it back if I just let him try, but it has just been too much for too long. And I don't want to.

I thought I would be happy to see him go, but I just feel so sad.

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