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Is it really that bad...because I feel like I want to boot him out

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EllieInTheRoom · 30/09/2013 20:06

I've been a lurker for months and posted once when I first found MN. Ive had to create a new account for this though as I couldn't remember what I'd registered under.

I'm in danger of either massively over reacting or massively under reacting and I would like some advice from some of you wise MNetters to probably do something in between.

I'll try and keep it as short as possible, sorry if it ends up dragging on...

DH and I have had issues for a couple of years now. Particularly during my pregnancy and in the first year or DS's life. He's 18 months now. DH was just a total selfish twunt, like many others probably. Very unsupportive, moody, downright mean on occasions. He also rediscovered porn and as a result we didn't have sex for 20 months. Last Christmas we nearly broke up but decided to try and work it out.

But then another issue came up, which was his work. He is self employed and works hard but dictates his own hours. For the first year of DS's life, he worked way too much and was out most nights. Infact, he was only at home for 47 evenings . I counted on the calendar once. He saw DS for a few hours every morning but because he was never home at night it meant 1) I could never go out with friends or to the gym, 2) I never got a break from the early mornings or sleep disturbance 3) it was hard to get my own work done and 4) I felt very lonely, we never saw each other and I felt our relationship wasn't recovering because of this, it is still very strained. To me anyway, he thinks its fine.

Two months ago, I snapped and said I couldn't go on and things had to change because I refused to live like this any longer. I said we didn't need money that much and laid down some rules. He had to have at least one day off a week, one weekend day a month and two evenings at home a week.

He stuck to it for six weeks. On Friday, he told me that this week he would be out every night working again, but quickly added that he had booked this week before my rules were implemented so he couldn't do anything about it. Then he proceeded to boast about the number of days off he had taken the last six weeks, how good he's been and suggested we have sex to celebrate as we haven't it for a while and tried to get me to thank him. I got annoyed at the time that he expected praise for a basic relationship requirement and forgot to ask the reasons why he had to work.

Anyway, I asked him today. He immediately went on the defensive and told me I never listen, it's impossible to tell me anything. He'd booked the work two months ago. I asked him what and which days and he said Thurs/Fri. It turns out the work he is doing tonight and tomorrow was definitely changeable and would only have been booked last week. I know this because I did the same work for the same people and still do sometimes.

I know for a fact he could have looked at his calendar last week, seen that he was working every night and decided to pass the work on to colleagues, which would have been easy because they all want more work. He didnt want to because he is in a mood with two of the guys he works with and didnt want to give them the extra.

So he has reneged on the agreement because of a stupid mood. I'll be on my own all week, struggling to get my own work done - ive a really busy week ahead - and look after DS

I know it might not seem the worst crime in the world but I feel like telling him to pack his bags. I resent the fact he tried to bluster over it by saying I don't listen to him to distract me from finding out the truth.

We didnt speak for an hour while I mulled over it. Then he started being really nice and sweet and went to work. I havent said my piece yet because I don't know what to say. Very often what would happen is it will just get left and add to the mountain of resentment, which is a permanent fixture in our front room and has a lovely decorative elephant on top of it.

How bad is it really? Thank you, if you've managed to get this far

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EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 23:59

I don't think so handy our sex life has been really quite nonexistent for a long time really.

But I know from previous arguments that sleeping in the spare room is something he really doesn't like the idea of.

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JoinYourPlayfellows · 12/10/2013 23:59

People have been smothered with pillows while they sleeping and someone came into their room.

To attack someone who is a asleep with a pillow is really fucking scary.

So yes, you should be afraid.

NEVER feel silly for being afraid.

It your instinct telling you that there is something to be frightened of.

And from what you've written here, to me it sounds like your instinct is spot on.

Oh, and I suspect you were flippant because you have been told this story as if it were no big deal.

How do you even know about this?

Please, please stay safe.

Just because you aren't a shrinking violet doesn't mean you aren't at risk from someone who seeks to control you and is prepared to use physical force against you. Which he is.

myroomisatip · 13/10/2013 00:16

:( My Ex was exactly the same. We would have conversations, such difficult conversations for me, and he would behave the next day as if everything was hunky dory. I really began to doubt my sanity.

He is still the same, thankfully though he is now my Ex so the damage he can do is limited.

Please be careful.

EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 00:17

He's gone.

He came down and asked me why I wasn't going to bed an I told him I wouldn't be and why. He asked if I really wanted him to leave and when I said yes, he stood there for a while with his fists clenched and I got nervous or a minute. But then he just turned and went.

He went to DS's room and sobbed for a minute, but then he went.

Don't know what to feel now

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Handywoman · 13/10/2013 00:18

Can totally understand why you feel on edge re the spare room. Guess you'll have to play by ear then tomorrow insist it's spare room from tomorrow night onwards until he moves out. Stand firm. But for now keep yourself safe.

thistlelicker · 13/10/2013 00:19

One step at a time now op!!! Have the time to think!!! You know in ur heart he needed to go x

Handywoman · 13/10/2013 00:21

OMG Ellie are you ok? Did he drive off? What a shock. I would suggest a glass if brandy but I know you haven't any! Take yourself off to bed , it sounds like he has got the message.

EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 00:21

I heard about the pillow attack shortly after it happened. We were in the same circle if friends. To be honest, people sympathised with him because of the situation. It wouldn't have suited the group dynamic to think of his ex as an innocent victim I suppose. I didn't have the nouse or experience to go against the grain.

When we got together a year later, he spoke about it once with great shame. I loved him, I forgot about it until recently

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EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 00:23

Thanks. And thanks everyone for all your support tonight. I really needed it
X

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myroomisatip · 13/10/2013 00:43

Please make sure he cant come back in, lock the doors!

Well done for getting him to go.

Spelt · 13/10/2013 00:46

At least you've got through to him.

naicehameggandchips · 13/10/2013 00:54

Just finished reading the thread and I had very similar goings on in my recently ended relationship. Looking back, there were so many wrong things, but not one catalyst. What the other posters have said is so true - that the relationship not being good enough for you is a good enough reason. As soon as my relationship ended, I felt like a huge weight had lifted from my shoulders as I did not have to rely on someone unreliable, if that makes sense? My children also seem much happier as they are not surrounded by a layer of tension and unhappiness. Will be thinking of you, enjoy moving on!!

EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 01:43

He came back ten minutes later satin he wanted to talk. He begged, pleaded and cried. I don't understand how he can react so strongly when he has been so passive about me for so long.

He is now in the other room sobbing. Really crying. And I feel awful. I don't want to try again. He keeps saying it isn't over. I keep saying it is.

God this is hard

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EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 03:00

He then went into DS room and got him out of bed And was sat in the chair in the corner of the room sobbing over him. I didn't want to be cruel but I had to tell him to put him down. How is that a good thing for DS?

He called me a cold bitch. Then started begging again and kept trying to kiss me.

He's calm now. I agreed to lie on the bed for a while and let him hold me so he would stop sobbing.

I'm shocked at his reaction. My stomach just aches. I wish I could call someone

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Zhx3 · 13/10/2013 03:04

Ellie, I don't know what to say. Sounds like he never expected you to do this, he was complacent and thought you would always put up with it.

How selfish to get your ds out of bed at this hour!

What do you think would happen if you said he could stay and you could try again? I think he would become complacent again very quickly.

Please be careful. I am not sure he won't hurt you.

Zhx3 · 13/10/2013 03:06

And "cold bitch"? Please Hmm.

As if none of this has had anything to do with the way he has behaved.

EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 03:13

He would definitely become complacent I think. It's not going to happen. I've been thinking of telling him I'll think about it so he will stop beggin and let me get some sleep. Then tomorrow, I'll either leave or get help to get him to leave.

I think I'm safe. He did keep trying to kiss me though which I found really strange. I kept telling him to stop. I thought if he did it one more time I would tell him I would call the police because he was frightening me, but then he didn't do it again.

He's calmed down now but he is not accepting anything I say. I've stopped saying it. But I still mean it

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EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 03:14

No idea why my predictive text keeps leaving the g's off my words

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nameimadeupjustnow · 13/10/2013 03:18

Do you want to consider ringing the police? His behaviour - waking DS, insisting that you sleep in bed with him - is bizarre and kinda scary. Where is he and where are you?

JoinYourPlayfellows · 13/10/2013 07:00

I hope you are OK Ellie.

I came on to check on you before I leave for work, because I was worried.

I can't say I find what happened very reassuring.

Stay strong, stay safe.

You are doing really well.

Lizzabadger · 13/10/2013 07:20

He's an abuser.

Contact women's aid asap for advice on how to get out safely.

Don't even consider going to counselling with him.

If it helps you to leave him, his behaviour is strongly pointing at an affair.

FunkyBoldRibena · 13/10/2013 07:27

Ellie.

Do not let this emotional abuse continue. It is ultimatum time. Either he goes today, or you do.

EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 08:01

Thank you all so much for your concern. Join im so sorry you felt worried but thanks. I fell asleep about 4am. In bed with him. I could kick myself for not staying awake and getting out of bed, but I'd not had much sleep the two previous nights for various reasons and I was beginning to cry out if tiredness.

He's still in bed and will leave for work at 11am

I'm really apprehensive about today. I'm worried about how impossible it is to get through to him and how he obviously intends just to wear me down. But on the other hand I will feel like the cruelest thing if I tell him he's worrying me and to just get out. I feel so torn.

My parents are on holiday. At the ripe old age of 30i just really want my mum

Thanks again

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MrsZimt · 13/10/2013 08:07

Ellie, pack his things, take them somewhere he can get them and don't let him in after his work. Change locks or put some bolts on from the inside.

Don't let him get to the point when you have do doubt this is DV.

EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 08:12

At the risk of sounding stupid please tell me what about it is DV?

I know the push was but that was months ago and i didnt do anything then. I know what he did to his ex was, I knew it was even when I called it a pillow fight.

Last night was weird and it disturbed me, but how can I call it DV?

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