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Is it really that bad...because I feel like I want to boot him out

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EllieInTheRoom · 30/09/2013 20:06

I've been a lurker for months and posted once when I first found MN. Ive had to create a new account for this though as I couldn't remember what I'd registered under.

I'm in danger of either massively over reacting or massively under reacting and I would like some advice from some of you wise MNetters to probably do something in between.

I'll try and keep it as short as possible, sorry if it ends up dragging on...

DH and I have had issues for a couple of years now. Particularly during my pregnancy and in the first year or DS's life. He's 18 months now. DH was just a total selfish twunt, like many others probably. Very unsupportive, moody, downright mean on occasions. He also rediscovered porn and as a result we didn't have sex for 20 months. Last Christmas we nearly broke up but decided to try and work it out.

But then another issue came up, which was his work. He is self employed and works hard but dictates his own hours. For the first year of DS's life, he worked way too much and was out most nights. Infact, he was only at home for 47 evenings . I counted on the calendar once. He saw DS for a few hours every morning but because he was never home at night it meant 1) I could never go out with friends or to the gym, 2) I never got a break from the early mornings or sleep disturbance 3) it was hard to get my own work done and 4) I felt very lonely, we never saw each other and I felt our relationship wasn't recovering because of this, it is still very strained. To me anyway, he thinks its fine.

Two months ago, I snapped and said I couldn't go on and things had to change because I refused to live like this any longer. I said we didn't need money that much and laid down some rules. He had to have at least one day off a week, one weekend day a month and two evenings at home a week.

He stuck to it for six weeks. On Friday, he told me that this week he would be out every night working again, but quickly added that he had booked this week before my rules were implemented so he couldn't do anything about it. Then he proceeded to boast about the number of days off he had taken the last six weeks, how good he's been and suggested we have sex to celebrate as we haven't it for a while and tried to get me to thank him. I got annoyed at the time that he expected praise for a basic relationship requirement and forgot to ask the reasons why he had to work.

Anyway, I asked him today. He immediately went on the defensive and told me I never listen, it's impossible to tell me anything. He'd booked the work two months ago. I asked him what and which days and he said Thurs/Fri. It turns out the work he is doing tonight and tomorrow was definitely changeable and would only have been booked last week. I know this because I did the same work for the same people and still do sometimes.

I know for a fact he could have looked at his calendar last week, seen that he was working every night and decided to pass the work on to colleagues, which would have been easy because they all want more work. He didnt want to because he is in a mood with two of the guys he works with and didnt want to give them the extra.

So he has reneged on the agreement because of a stupid mood. I'll be on my own all week, struggling to get my own work done - ive a really busy week ahead - and look after DS

I know it might not seem the worst crime in the world but I feel like telling him to pack his bags. I resent the fact he tried to bluster over it by saying I don't listen to him to distract me from finding out the truth.

We didnt speak for an hour while I mulled over it. Then he started being really nice and sweet and went to work. I havent said my piece yet because I don't know what to say. Very often what would happen is it will just get left and add to the mountain of resentment, which is a permanent fixture in our front room and has a lovely decorative elephant on top of it.

How bad is it really? Thank you, if you've managed to get this far

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MrsZimt · 13/10/2013 08:20

Well that's what I mean, he's pushed you around once physically when his arguments had run out (and tbf I would have kicked him out then), and he's pushing you around emotionally all the time.

I mean don't wait for him to lose his temper and push you down the stairs. You don't need an "incident" to kick him out, this man maked you very unhappy, get rid.
Last night I was worried about you. Last night disturbed you because you told him to go and he didn't.

Reality · 13/10/2013 08:21

He really doesnt see you or Ds as whole people. Or are just bit players in the drama of Him. He thinks he can just make you do whatever her needs you to.

Making you lie next to him has made me feel physically sick, it is so very far from 'normal'. You have been well trained by him.

After I left my first marriage, it took me up to a year to recognise some of it as abuse. I kept having all these awful realisations. Stuff I'd thought of at the time as innocuous or everyday cane clattering into my head again as I saw it for the twisted abuse it was.

He is abusing you, and he us a violent man. The pillow thing is really fucking scary.

Reality · 13/10/2013 08:24

Darling, it's DV, or abuse if you prefer, because he's forcing you to behave in a way you don't want to. He's not letting you tell him to leave, he's assaulting you by trying to kiss and cuddle you, he's abusing your son by making him get up in the middle of the night.

He's not allowing you to make choices. People who aren't abusive or violent wouldn't ever force somebody to do or not do something.

EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 08:26

Oh god, web you are things in other people's words they get starker don't they. I suppose when you live it, it's different and then when it's written down its bare facts.

Thanks. OK, I need to speak to someone in RL don't I. I'm just going to get through until he's gone to work and then call my sister and BF.

Thanks for all the advice, I'm so sorry if I'm being thick and offending anybody Thanks

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EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 08:26

That gobbledygook at the start of the last post was supposed to say when you see

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LadyintheRadiator · 13/10/2013 08:33

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Libertine73 · 13/10/2013 08:49

Oh love, this all sounds horrible, I'm really glad to see you will be teaching out to someone in rl.

Your ds will adjust if you split, he will, and if you're happier he will be too.

Sending you some virtual strength and a sneaky hug.

EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 08:50

Yeah that's an option. I wanted to avoid it as my office is here and I have a deadline tomorrow. I'm not going to get my work done if I'm here or not though am I. I just need to wait until he's gone to work and then get Dsis round to help me decide best plan.

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EllieInTheRoom · 13/10/2013 08:51

Thanks libertine need a sneaky hug!

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LadyintheRadiator · 13/10/2013 11:14

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FunkyBoldRibena · 13/10/2013 11:36

Best plan would be to get the locks changed today, and get his stuff packed and outside the house for when he is due home. And your sis in to support you.

You need to be clear that it is over, and he is out. And you won't stand for his emotional abuse and sobbing over child to try and get you to feel sorry for him.

JoinYourPlayfellows · 13/10/2013 12:04

Don't feel bad for worrying me, I'm just letting you know that there are real people out here that care :)

I really hope he went to work as planned and that you have your sister over helping you to plan your next step.

BakedAlaskaStomper · 13/10/2013 12:06

EllieInTheRoom I feel for you. I have been through DV and abuse. I didn't see it at the time; I minimised events too, just as you were doing about the pushing against the wall incident.
Abuse is a pattern of behaviour; everything you have told shows a pattern of abuse, of controlling behaviour. I had all these signs too - The day he threw cups and glasses at myself and my son in the kitchen because he spent 4 hours with the alcoholic slut neighbour over the road (who he slept with while we were seperated). He was trying to make out that I was a jealous controlly bitch, because he knew that he shouldn't have spent 4 hours over there. He flipped out the next day too - and I didn't call it abuse. It took him throwing me down the stairs and stamping on my face for the relationship to end, for me to see the pattern, that it hadn't gone away, that he wasn't getting better, but worse.
So I understand how you might minimise the violent events. But it is a pattern, remember that. No event / comment /stonewall is isolated; it is all connected, all part of a strategy designed to control you, to keep him in hte control seat. The crying and lying on the bed crap is controlling behaviour. Imagine how you would deal with a toddler behaving like that! I bet as soon as he walked out the door, he was totally normal. They do that, it's so wierd how they do that, like the flip of a switch, and they are a different person.
Well done for getting this far. Stay strong you are doing amazingly!
To be parenting a toddler and running a business and getting to this place of strength and bravery. Well Done!

BakedAlaskaStomper · 13/10/2013 12:10
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nameimadeupjustnow · 13/10/2013 14:24

Good luck today, Ellie! Last night should be the last night you to ever spent under the same roof. You will quickly run out of energy, both with him emotionally wearing you down and through lack of proper sleep. If you cannot shift DH out of the house, can you and DS spend tonight at your Dsis' house?

Please note down anything he says or does that frightens you, any threats. If you're at all worried about your safety, please involve the police. You will want to have it on record.

AnyFucker · 13/10/2013 16:10

JUst catching up on your thread, Ellie.

Remember you have every right to end your relationship. He does not need to agree. You can start taking formal steps any time you please.

Zhx3 · 13/10/2013 23:36

How have you been today, Ellie?

perfectstorm · 13/10/2013 23:39

Hope you're doing okay, Ellie. Light is at the end of the tunnel. xx

EllieInTheRoom · 14/10/2013 10:43

Sorry, I wanted to keep you all posted last night but by the time I got a minute to myself I could barely keep my eyes open. I even missed XFactor and Downton, which would only ever happen in the event of my own death or a marital breakdown!

Anyway, yesterday he went to work and my Dsis came. I was thinking of decamping to my parents while they are away but I gave my mum my key so she could give it to builders last week and for some ridiculous reason my Dsis didn't have one either.

We took the kids out to let them run around while discussing taking some of his clothes to his mums, when he called me to say he was already home!! He'd been sent home early from work because he keeps throwing up. Got back and he was a physical mess.

DS went to my sisters for tea and a sleepover and I stayed home in the spare room. I could have gone, I know I probably should have. But I just felt like I ought to. He spent the evening flitting between the toilet and at my feet begging me for another chance.

I've never been very good at saying no. I realise that's something I need to work on. It took all my strength to keep telling him no, it's over. So when he begged me not to leave straight away, I felt like that was something I could concede if that makes sense. I didn't feel threatened in any way last night.

I'm not giving him another chance. His reaction seems so extreme, I pity him and this may sound cruel but it's kind of making me more determined that I don't love him anymore.

He wants us to stay in the house until our lease is up next month. I've said I won't leave straight away but we are separated and we need to live like we are. When he has a day off, he can have a day with DS and I will go to work. If we are both at home for the evening, one of us has to go out.

I don't think this is an arrangement that can work or is healthy. I know I have done the wrong thing agreeing to this and I need to sort it out and I will.

He won't accept it's over, even though i keep saying it is. He is going to a counsellor but I have told him I am not going because there is no point. He wants to talk about his porn habit, his self pity and his general "the world is against me attitude". I've told him I am not responsible for his happiness, but he says I am the only thing that can make him happy. But I don't do I?

I can't believe his reaction. He hasn't acted like he cared about me for the entire three years of our marriage, he totally killed it.

I am worried about DS. He is nearly 20 months and is usually a very easy happy go lucky toddler and his speech is brilliant. He has his moments, as all toddlers do but yesterday and today, he was really difficult and cheeky. Very out of character. Could he already have picked up on things? I swore this would never affect him, but I've fallen at the first hurdle. It's day one and he's already effected.

I'm worried because he goes up to the next room in nursery this week. I don't want to unsettle him by moving him at the same time. But then keeping him here must be worse.

I've got to sort it out and stop being weak.

If you have got to the end of this post, I salute you. Thanks

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EllieInTheRoom · 14/10/2013 10:55

I've just re-read my post, I've just gone and taken three steps forward and two steps back. I could scream at myself!

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Handywoman · 14/10/2013 11:45

Ellie you must stay focused: you have done the most important bit: told him it's over and stuck you your boundary line. Separating is ALWAYS messy so give yourself a break. You will get there and your ds will be FINE!!! I for one salute YOU [flower] well done for swing things as they are. The details will sort themselves out bit by bit.

AnyFucker · 14/10/2013 11:57

Ellie, it's understandable that you are getting something out of bearing witness to his "distress" when he has ignored your emotional needs for years.

It's not healthy though. And yes, all this angst and stretching out what is actually inevitable is not good for kids to live with.

EllieInTheRoom · 14/10/2013 12:16

I'm not here because I WANT to watch him crumble, I'm not getting anything out of it in that way at all.

I have slapped myself (mentally) for agreeing to still live here and not actually making the escape. TBH, I found it difficult to cause this much pain, despite all he's done really, and I caved.

I am refusing to discuss anything in front of DS but the atmosphere is tangible. He must be picking up on it. I think that's now what needs to be done. I need to say, the best thing for DS is if we get out of the toxicity. No point in staying anyway.

Hells bells. I feel like shit today. But thanks, I will keep focussed.

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perfectstorm · 14/10/2013 13:42

Honestly, he's asking you to put his feelings and wishes ahead of what is best for his son, which is not to live in such a terrible atmosphere. You obviously can't choose an adult over your own child. He won't like it but he has got to accept that DS comes first.

You're doing fine. This is a horrible situation and you are making progress. Can you contact your Mum and ask her to tell the builders to give you the key? You can always copy it and give a copy back to them.

Hang on in there. You're that much closer to a resolution now.

JoinYourPlayfellows · 14/10/2013 13:45

You are NOT causing this much pain.

All this vomiting carrying on isn't about pain, it's a last ditch attempt to control you by appealing to the part of you that will believe that you are the one causing this reaction.

You are not.

He is causing it. And he made sure he got himself home from work quickly when it struck him that you might go when you were out (as indeed you were planning).

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