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Is it really that bad...because I feel like I want to boot him out

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EllieInTheRoom · 30/09/2013 20:06

I've been a lurker for months and posted once when I first found MN. Ive had to create a new account for this though as I couldn't remember what I'd registered under.

I'm in danger of either massively over reacting or massively under reacting and I would like some advice from some of you wise MNetters to probably do something in between.

I'll try and keep it as short as possible, sorry if it ends up dragging on...

DH and I have had issues for a couple of years now. Particularly during my pregnancy and in the first year or DS's life. He's 18 months now. DH was just a total selfish twunt, like many others probably. Very unsupportive, moody, downright mean on occasions. He also rediscovered porn and as a result we didn't have sex for 20 months. Last Christmas we nearly broke up but decided to try and work it out.

But then another issue came up, which was his work. He is self employed and works hard but dictates his own hours. For the first year of DS's life, he worked way too much and was out most nights. Infact, he was only at home for 47 evenings . I counted on the calendar once. He saw DS for a few hours every morning but because he was never home at night it meant 1) I could never go out with friends or to the gym, 2) I never got a break from the early mornings or sleep disturbance 3) it was hard to get my own work done and 4) I felt very lonely, we never saw each other and I felt our relationship wasn't recovering because of this, it is still very strained. To me anyway, he thinks its fine.

Two months ago, I snapped and said I couldn't go on and things had to change because I refused to live like this any longer. I said we didn't need money that much and laid down some rules. He had to have at least one day off a week, one weekend day a month and two evenings at home a week.

He stuck to it for six weeks. On Friday, he told me that this week he would be out every night working again, but quickly added that he had booked this week before my rules were implemented so he couldn't do anything about it. Then he proceeded to boast about the number of days off he had taken the last six weeks, how good he's been and suggested we have sex to celebrate as we haven't it for a while and tried to get me to thank him. I got annoyed at the time that he expected praise for a basic relationship requirement and forgot to ask the reasons why he had to work.

Anyway, I asked him today. He immediately went on the defensive and told me I never listen, it's impossible to tell me anything. He'd booked the work two months ago. I asked him what and which days and he said Thurs/Fri. It turns out the work he is doing tonight and tomorrow was definitely changeable and would only have been booked last week. I know this because I did the same work for the same people and still do sometimes.

I know for a fact he could have looked at his calendar last week, seen that he was working every night and decided to pass the work on to colleagues, which would have been easy because they all want more work. He didnt want to because he is in a mood with two of the guys he works with and didnt want to give them the extra.

So he has reneged on the agreement because of a stupid mood. I'll be on my own all week, struggling to get my own work done - ive a really busy week ahead - and look after DS

I know it might not seem the worst crime in the world but I feel like telling him to pack his bags. I resent the fact he tried to bluster over it by saying I don't listen to him to distract me from finding out the truth.

We didnt speak for an hour while I mulled over it. Then he started being really nice and sweet and went to work. I havent said my piece yet because I don't know what to say. Very often what would happen is it will just get left and add to the mountain of resentment, which is a permanent fixture in our front room and has a lovely decorative elephant on top of it.

How bad is it really? Thank you, if you've managed to get this far

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Handywoman · 12/10/2013 21:25

I told STBXH I was sick of trying so hard, that he was miserable and burdened and un-invested with the kids and that he was miserable and nothing made him happy. I literally spewed 10 years of emotional toil and pain and frustration from the bottom of my heart.

He complained that he 'never intended to be intimidating' and 'doesn't like taking the Hoover upstairs'

Hmm which I put down to 'shock on his part' (see? There I was justifying it still...)

Then he left at my request, tail between legs.

Now says there is 'nothing to say' WTF

Sometimes saying nothing says a lot.

EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 21:35

Yes that exactly what I said, its not just about what happened yesterday or last week or week before, I was letting him have it for the last three years of bollocks.

Your story sounds so similar, I've tried to make him happy but I can't, he's a miserable person. I think he has a different standard of happiness. he thought our holiday was great???! WTF?

He's gone to bed. I've found a beer. Could murder a cigarette right now

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EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 21:36

And what on earth did the Hoover have to do with it?

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Handywoman · 12/10/2013 21:49

The Hoover reference was in relation to his sense of entitlement re housework ie he did barely anything around the house yet complained constantly about untidiness and could never lift a finger without a miserable cloud of anger/frustration descending. And he thought that if he tidied a room any subsequent playing or toys in the room was some sort of personal affront to him.

Handywoman · 12/10/2013 21:52

He made the Hoover comment during my diatribe regarding a decade of crapness. I spilled my emotional guts to him and he responded by saying he hates taking the Hoover upstairs!

Handywoman · 12/10/2013 21:56

Whatever you say to him there will always be 'a reason'. STBXH came out with 'a reason' when he made our daughter cry as she hung up her Xmas stocking.

You may be right about different expectations. The only 'reason' worth listening to is that this relationship is simply not good enough for you.

EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 22:23

WOW!! He's just come downstairs and asked if I'm coming to bed? WTF? I'm now starting to wonder if I wasn't clear enough. But what's unclear about "I don't love you, it's over"? Confused

I think this has got the potential to get really messy

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Handywoman · 12/10/2013 22:25

What did you say?

JoinYourPlayfellows · 12/10/2013 22:27

"But what's unclear about "I don't love you, it's over"?"

It's not clarity that was lacking for him, it was authority.

You DON'T GET to say it's over.

He calls the shots, so he is perfectly within his rights to ignore things you say that don't suit his agenda.

Please try and remember who is in charge here. Hint: not you ;)

EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 22:31

I was shocked and I just said no. I should have said "no, I'm sleeping in the spare room" but I didn't, it was totally unexpected and then he disappeared straight back upstairs.

I think maybe I go to bed in the spare room he'll come and ask why and that will be when the "talk" starts again. So I probably haven't got away with it

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EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 22:33

That must be it join. It's quite unhinged really

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EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 22:35

That'll be why he hasn't seen fit to discuss it tonight, he's said he's not leaving and that's that

He will come and start an argument if I go to bed in the spare room because he hates that. That was the reason we had the blazing row a few months back where he pushed me.

Hmmmmm, not feeling quite as relaxed now

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Handywoman · 12/10/2013 22:37

Anywhere else you can go? Anyone IRL who knows what's going on? Can you fake falling asleep in front of telly?

EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 22:41

DS is in bed so I can't go anywhere really. I think maybe I'm being a bit too irrational to wake him and take him somewhere. I can if I get really worried though.

I think falling asleep in front of TV is probably best

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EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 22:49

There was an incident with an ex of his, they split up and she slept in the spare room for a few weeks, she shagged his best friend and there was a massive fallout. She woke up one night to him bashing her round the head with a pillow.

I know a push and a pillow fight are hardly big DV incidents, but it makes me a bit uneasy I must admit

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Handywoman · 12/10/2013 22:50

Stay safe OP. You can consider your options tomorrow.

thistlelicker · 12/10/2013 23:02

He's emotionally abusing you :-( I'm glad u have found the courage to ltb !!! He's a twunt of the highest order and you will feel liberated when you have ur own place! Basically you have been a single mother because he's hardly there so the caring side to ur ds won't change! You will just have your own home and eat as much ice cream as u want!!! Some
Good advice here!! Keep that courage :-)

Inertia · 12/10/2013 23:23

If he pushes you or bashes you with anything then that's assault and you should call the police. You don' t have to share a bed with a man because you fear he will attack you otherwise.

phoolani · 12/10/2013 23:24

Sounds to me like he hasn't got with the post-baby programme. I would have a go at counselling before splitting. If he refuses to go, then he leaves you with no alternative, really.

thistlelicker · 12/10/2013 23:27

You would seriously have counciling with a person who pushes u around? Ok if that's what u will do :-(

EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 23:38

I would be more likely to consider counselling if he did agree to go phoolani but as he is refusing to acknowledge my feelings and has done for three years, he can go and get some himself. He needs it. Thanks for your input

He's just called down again for me to come to bed. I'm not going

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JoinYourPlayfellows · 12/10/2013 23:44

"I know a push and a pillow fight are hardly big DV incidents"

Shock

You can't seriously be calling what he did to his ex girlfriend a "pillow fight"?

Are you joking?

He walked into her room uninvited while she was asleep and assaulted her and you are happy to call that a pillow fight?

I'm actually frightened to know what this "push" consisted of if that's what you call a pillow fight.

I have pillow fights with my daughters. We make space in the living room and bash each other around the place and laugh our heads off.

What he did is NOTHING like a pillow fight.

I don't mean to be mean, but come on, Ellie. This is bullshit.

Why are you letting him set the terms on everything?

JoinYourPlayfellows · 12/10/2013 23:46

You need to get out of there as soon as you can.

Please be careful.

Handywoman · 12/10/2013 23:47

Is he hoping for sex, Ellie?

EllieInTheRoom · 12/10/2013 23:52

Yeah the term pillow fight was too flippant. I cant really explain why i was bein flippant. i think i meant that a push and being hit with a pillow are not things that would necessarily cause you injury or things I'd usually be frightened of. But they do make me uneasy and worry me even so. And that in itself makes me feel weak, I mean I'm the same size as him and no shrinking violet I shouldn't be scared of him pushing me or using a pillow?

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