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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 26

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/09/2013 20:55

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/09/2013 00:12

On a brighter note, though, I spoke to my HV today for the first time in ages.

HV: How are you doing?
Me (half-whispered): I'm leaving my H.
HV: Excellent!!

:o :o Great to talk to someone who understands, once in a while, isn't it?

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 21/09/2013 00:18

I like your HV
and yes FW is a big orange knob of entitlement [BOKE]
What has he done or is it so predictable and FWish it does not bear mentioning?

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/09/2013 00:43

heehee to BOKE - yes, indeed!

Mostly it's rather dull and predictable. I can spot some of it immediately for the FWery it is, although he certainly knows how to push my buttons. Every time he lectures me talks to me, I briefly consider crawling back just out of guilt and confusion-induced weariness.

And then I realise how much I'm looking forward to my new life and I hardly care if I am doing the wrong thing!

There is more, but it's more suited to musings in a quieter place.

Anyway, now he's snoring sleeping, so I am using this opportunity to offload here to lovely people who understand. And I think that that simple small thing of feeling heard and understood will mean that I can now let it go and sleep ok.

Thanks mink and all lovely thread friends.

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 21/09/2013 00:54

Flowers charlotte. here Ian to new life full of FlowersFlowers

fi thinking of you. and wishing you rest, recuperation, recovery and strength. FlowersCakeBrew no Ned to reply. just a shout out in support. x

theboiledfrog · 21/09/2013 08:32

mink I lurch from thinking of doing a moonlight flit to thinking why should I. The dcs should be entitled to minimum disruption in their lives and it should be about whats best for them. I told someone at work wbout the water thing. They didn't seem to think it was a big deal and it has thrown me. Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill and using these instances as a reason when maybe its just as simple as I dont love him. The self doubt ia always there.
pony my counsellor said the same as you. She was concerned about safety. I have left like that before when he woke me up by digging me in the ribs and I just snapped. We talked yady ya. We came back and he said have you got any Iidea whst its like to come home and find your family gone. So thats in my mind too the guilt.
lickety I dont know how he could make it worse. I think he would certainly try. I am in a similar place to you I think. Decision is made. Just need the bwlls to do it.

nini hope you get through the holiday.

theboiledfrog · 21/09/2013 08:34

Charlotte your new life will be fab. Your excitement comes through in yoyr words. Lol at not caring if you are doing the right thing! Fantastic

foolonthehill · 21/09/2013 08:50

so 15 minutes to skype call....the first (and probably the only one) he's going to manage that actually complies with the interim court order.

Curious to see what (if anything he says to DC) because he's messed up supervision (for the 3rd time) and won't be able legally to see them in the flesh tomorrow.

Also scared cos DC had some bad reactions to him last weekend.

Only 4 weeks til the interim order runs out...

how much chaos can he cause til then?? Lots.

Argh

Rant over

hang on in there ladies. C...detach and breathe whilst mentally singing "lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal fingers in my ears"

theboiledfrog · 21/09/2013 09:04

fool hope it goes ok.

ponygirlcurtis · 21/09/2013 10:53

fool hope the Skype call went ok. Sing it loudly.

Charlotte - not long now sweetie. Hold on in there. The FWittery will only get worse as it gets closer, I suspect!

frog I know what you mean, we are so used to minimising what's happening that as soon as someone (even if it's just one person) seems to suggest it's ok, it makes us doubt ourselves. Re the note thing, all I'll say is that he is only interested in himself and his own feelings - what about him having any idea of how you feel to be so scared of someone that you have to leave like that? If he can make you consider him above yourself and the kids, then he has you where he wants you. Stay safe, lovely.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 21/09/2013 10:58

Fi had a hard week, but is doing fine and has made it clear what her boundaries are, and why, to the powers that be.

My DM was up recently. My DF asked her before she came if she was going to visit FW while here Confused - she said no, but will be sending a birthday card to him. Don't think DF gets it, although I've tried to explain some of the cocklodging. And there are rumours going round that FW is depressed because am with New man/Old mutual friend, and New man has not spoken to FW about it??? WTAF. Am I some old possession that needs permission to be with from my Ex? No, I am a divorcee and free woman who has had an unexpected bonus Grin (Did text DD, as I don't actually want FW to be depressed - she says he isn't)

ponygirlcurtis · 21/09/2013 11:14

Silvery -send all our love to Fi, she's got so much going on. Flowers

Sounds like your FW is seeing a way to still control you (or others) in terms of making himself the victim. Poor, poor him. Amd sure the card from your DM will cheer him up though!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/09/2013 12:43

frog - the important thing about the water, though, is how it made you feel. And it is a sad fact that those who haven't experienced it just don't understand it - you're describing a papercut and they're telling you to grow up, because they don't know what a thousand deliberately-inflicted papercuts feel like.

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 21/09/2013 13:23

If you had a larky, jokey, happy relationship then the water could be a bit of friendly horse-play, frog. That is what other people want to think, perhaps, even though they may not even realise it.

But you don't have a relationship like that. He's a FW.

ponygirlcurtis · 21/09/2013 13:26

What Charlotte and Silvery said. YYY

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 21/09/2013 14:01

And frog if you say he poured water on you that sounds like it might be a lark. if you say whenever he sees me sleeping he wakes me up deliberately that makes it sound different like guantanamo bay it is not the what he does it is the why.

kirstyleanne · 22/09/2013 09:58

Good morning Grin How is everyone today? X

ponygirlcurtis · 22/09/2013 10:15

Morning kirsty - ok, the sun is shining here. how are you?

kirstyleanne · 22/09/2013 10:35

Not bad thanks. At my parents house so obviously fw is on his best behaviour. X

TheSilverySoothsayer · 22/09/2013 10:42

Hi kirsty what do your parents think of him?

ponygirlcurtis · 22/09/2013 12:39

Do you find kirsty, even though he is on his best behaviour, that you are still walking on eggshells around him, and also worried in case your parents say anything to you that might cause FW to start an argument over later on? Hope your day goes ok.

kirstyleanne · 22/09/2013 13:54

My mum kind of knows what's going on - although not sure she understands. Obviously my parents don't have a bad word to say about him due to his constant charm ("here let me do that" "you sit down and I'll make you a cup of tea" "do you want me to rub your shoulders" etc puke) and whilst fw is persistently pushing all my buttons - it is done in such a loving manner that I just look like a di*k for getting pee'd off. Eggshells not so much a problem for me at mo as I am happy to challenge his behaviour - however I do find I still walk into 'traps' without realising it - have to be constantly alert. Grrr!

Dearjackie · 22/09/2013 16:51

Hi to Everyone
Hope you are all ok this afternoon
Haven't posted for a little while on this thread as been trying to forget FW and get my life back together

However my daughter has just informed me that FW sent her a text the other day asking how she was and how the pregnancy was going. She just sent a short sharp "fine thanks" back. He then tried to add her on facebook

WHY?? This has really unsettled me again and I was doing quite well. She only told me because I said some of his mail had come to me and she thought if he contacts me for that he might mention that he'd been in touch with her and she didn't want to look like she was keeping secrets

If he wanted to move on why would he do this? Do you think he's trying to worm back in? I'm upset all over again

betterthanever · 22/09/2013 17:12

Charlotte here, here to moving forward - you are sounding strong.
Jackie sorry this has unsettled you today, when I get that I just try and think `and tomorrow' I will feel better, I am sure you well - well done DD telling you - that shows what a good relationship she has with you.
Flowers for Fi
fool hope it went as quick well as it could do.

Had major fwittery, although it all is, what I am hoping is when my sol speaks to the court tomorrow, they can confirm it is also illegal and if he does it again he gets locked away Smile trying to keep positive could have been bad for DS but managed to put into practice everything I have been learning from you all and books and responded, didn't react, it felt good even though I was shaking like a leaf.must get an early night tonight and recover energy as may need a lot this week.

Dearjackie · 22/09/2013 17:33

Good luck for this week charlotte Flowers Why can't all the FW's just vanish and leave us in peace

Does it sound to you as though my ex FW is trying to test the water before making contact with me again.? I need to really steel myself

betterthanever · 22/09/2013 17:57

jackie I am not sure if he will contact you or not but he will want to know DD thinks he is wonderful, he doesn't want any rejection from anyone as he thinks he is so wonderful.