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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 26

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/09/2013 20:55

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
BadSeedsAddict · 12/10/2013 21:18

Icepole that's disgusting, as if anyone wants to do housework! Do you have your own house?

FairyFi · 12/10/2013 21:29

hoooge (((hugs))) Better that sounds horrid (and really resonates!) I just stick to the boundaries as quietly as I can manage and see what comes in time? and slope off for a really good cry

thinking of you xx

BadSeedsAddict · 12/10/2013 21:29

better my DS is 8 too, is yours doing the trying-to-be-grown-up thing a well as everything else? It is hard. We seem to go through it every so often and I react to it badly then regret it!

FairyFi · 12/10/2013 21:30

oooops x-posted

betterthanever · 12/10/2013 22:01

Thanks fi and Bad the poor little fella is under so much stress, I try and hide as much as I can but as he is currently stuck to me like glue night and day (he never slept in my bed before all this) I was at breaking point today - he doesn't know what to do with himself at the moment, nothing makes him happy Sad if exfw thinks this is making him want to see him more he is very much mistaken it is all having the opposite effect.

BadSeedsAddict · 12/10/2013 22:27

Oh bless him, sure you giving him loads of love and hugs will help, it's all you can do and probably all he needs. It won't do him any harm to be in your bed for a bit, he'll feel more secure eventually.

FairyFi · 12/10/2013 22:31

bed with you is the most security for him.. i have the same again now sadly, after I thought we'd got passed that, its all started again... but thats where security lies for them, lovely he comes to you for his security that you can give him. ... and more ((((hugs)))) for you better xxx

icepole · 12/10/2013 23:26

We own the house, is a building site just now.

Not going to go tomorrow. Can't face the mood.

betterthanever · 12/10/2013 23:30

Thanks ladies - sorry to hear your DC is having the same problems fi you just want them to feel happy and secure. FW would love to have him clinging to him for his own ends, I see it isn't right. I will have to think again tomorrow of something nice for him to do.

bountyicecream · 13/10/2013 00:40

better and fi your dc are so lucky to have you providing that security they need. I have no words of wisdom other than just keep being there for them. It's neither of your faults that they are going through this. Bad behaviour is just an outlet for disturbed emotions. You can't stop if and it probably needs letting out. Is not indicative of your parenting skills even one tiny bit. Being there, in bed in the middle of the night if that's what they need, is the most important thing you can do for them right now.

ninilegsintheair · 13/10/2013 08:59

Lurgy house here. DD is poorly and Ive now got it too. Curled up together on the sofa watching bad tv.

FW has been filling in the paperwork for our remortgage. Im afraid about how much my debt will affect it. Ive lied to him about how much I owe and even the small amount I admitted to had him ranting and raving at me. Now Im afraid lying on the application will mean we get turned down, which in turn will mean he'll be even angrier at me. Argh.

bountyicecream · 13/10/2013 12:38

Healing hugs nini. I struggle with deception sometimes.

ninilegsintheair · 13/10/2013 12:48

I find it frustrating coz its down to him ans his stinginess that Im in this situation in the first place. Not that he would ever agree. He has savings, I have debt, make of that what you will.

Grotty day here!

Dearjackie · 13/10/2013 17:45

Hi All those who remember me

I haven't posted in a while as have been moving on quite well. BUT I am now 10 weeks post split and FW has decided it's a good time to contact me.

He already txt both my grown up daughter and son asking how they are a couple of weeks ago. Then on Thurs I got an email sending me a really romantic song off utube which I ignored. Then another today asking how I am and saying he thinks about me a lot. WHY do they do this????

betterthanever · 13/10/2013 19:46

Thanks bounty had a better day today - started planning the future for me and DS and things no one can stop us doing. I can't change some things but can others.

Handywoman · 13/10/2013 21:17

Hello all, have been plodding on working almost full time since splitting from EA STBXH in June, and caring for my 2 dd's. I have been living on the edge and coping but only just with the fact that the hurt and moods and EA can just carry on even after a split. STBXH has had 'nothing to say' about our split despite me pouring out a heart full of pain to him and he has literally sloped off with tail between legs, I've really been truly hurt by this. I have at last dropped my hours a bit and feel slightly more relaxed. STBXH was a bit narky re discussions about Xmas and NY but am proud of myself for shrugging it off (yey!) and tomorrow I am going to apply for free counselling. I have realized what a long old journey this is.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 13/10/2013 21:48

Flowers and Brew Handywoman it is a long journey for sure. Well done for getting rid though. onwards and upwardsSmile
how are the DDs coping?

FairyFi · 13/10/2013 22:00

thanks Bounty for your supportive words.. xxx

Handywoman · 13/10/2013 22:19

Thanks mrsminks dd's are mostly doing great. dd1 (10) has the odd wobble in fact she was a bit upset this evening (just back from dads) and feels very conflicted and sorry for her dad and a bit responsible . This evening I tried to explain in simple terms that mummy did not feel ok about how grumpy daddy was. Dd1 was trying to say that daddy was ok really, just that he would get upset and blame other people (good insight there!) as though knowing the reason makes it ok.Tried to explain to dd1 that mummy was unhappy that daddy was always annoyed about mummy going to work. And that mummy thinks that's not ok. dd1 tried to explain it away by saying 'but mummy that's because you go to work at funny times like Saturdays when we should be having a lie in'.

I know she is just grasping at straws but this has really upset me. Don't know how best to approach it with her.

Tuzz · 13/10/2013 22:35

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FairyFi · 13/10/2013 22:47

really sorry you are feeling so alone. Invisible with a man that is supposed to love you sounds awful let alone the rest. You have found much company here tho Tuzz you might want MN to delete the DC name's you have used in your post tho, to protect your id?

You've started talking.. keep talking the decisions will come. ((hugs)) xx

bountyicecream · 13/10/2013 22:52

tuzz you are not alone. We are here with plenty of advice and hand holding and there are organisations to help too.

You are not stupid, ugly or fat. I am sure of this as my husband has told me the same. It is just a way to make you stay.

You can leave. It feels impossible but if you break it down into baby steps then it slowly is possible.

Speak to women's aid or email them. They are great.

See your health visitor and explain the situation. She may get you some counselling.

See a solicitor for 30 mins free advice.

Do you work? Maybe on mat leave? Do you own your house? Are you married? Own bank account?

Keep posting here.

Oh and I've reported your post to get your ds's name removed. Hope that's ok.

bountyicecream · 13/10/2013 22:52

X post fi!

bountyicecream · 13/10/2013 22:56

jackie 10 weeks. Wow. You go girl. I seem to remember Colin's fw raised his ugly head about this time too. Part of the manual I think!

handy my dd is much younger so no experience. But I would be doubly pleased I'd left as it sounds like your dd1 has maybe normalised to a degree the way her father is. Perhaps by leaving you will have highlighted that it is wrong to her. I know it took me and many others here months to accept that it was ea I was experiencing. I guess it's going to be a similar though lesser process for children of that age to come to terms with it too

Handywoman · 14/10/2013 07:37

Thanks Bounty

tuzz well done for posting here, stick around, keep posting and you'll find your way through.

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