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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 26

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/09/2013 20:55

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
arthriticfingers · 04/10/2013 21:50

raises a Wine to Charlotte and to all!

foolonthehill · 04/10/2013 22:01

Brew....or I'll be asleep in the corner.
Can we line up the great Aretha with RESPECT (old school me) for a sing along?
then charlotte can lead us in Jessica Simpson "These boots were made for walking"
later on (after lots of Wine) we can weep with Helen Reddy "That ain't no way to treat a Lady"
Then it's arth's turn with "I am Woman" ...midnight express version.

foolonthehill · 04/10/2013 22:16

If we're feeling emotional we'll have to have "You've got a friend" by James Taylor and dedicate it to each other,

then for those who are out it's Taylor Swift with "We're never getting back together"

then Shania Twain with "That don't impress me much" for those "blessed" with high achieving FWs

Amy Pearson "Get Out of My life"

must be someone'else's turn to hog the juke box now....

but i brought a great bug fudge cake to help mop up the Wine [beer] and [vodka]

CakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCake

ponygirlcurtis · 04/10/2013 22:46

Phew, made it! Wanted to raise a glass to Charlotte, even though she's not here and off doing housey things instead. Wine

Good song choice, quietcoach. Also, some Katy Perry for Tis, maybe the new one - Roar. I like that.

I have no fudge cake, but in desperation I have microwaved a cereal bar and put some whole milk on it.

mink my phone frequently inserts (as t'were) herterosexual, if I mistype here. One of these days I'm not going to spot it before it goes!

TheSilverySoothsayer · 04/10/2013 23:00

Staggers in belatedly. I have had a bit of Special Cake [inane Grin] with the Irishman.

Gotta be Nancy Sinatra with 'Boots' though, fool. Followed by 'Oh Bondage Up Yours' by Polystyrene.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 04/10/2013 23:01

pony Grin at microwaved cereal bar. this is the kind of things my poor dcs get to eat Blush

ColinButterfly · 04/10/2013 23:10

My phone just autocorrected 'monogamy' to 'monotony'. I must have an iFreud app or something.

Inthequietcoach · 04/10/2013 23:52

My other choice would be, for when it settles down, Read All About It by Emile Sande.
But that is only because I wanted to hide, and at some point, that song spoke to me.

Wine to all, though am on the Brew. No Cake here either, just chocolate!

Inthequietcoach · 04/10/2013 23:54

I am going to eat Cake tomorrow though Smile

icepole · 05/10/2013 09:54

Hello , hoping to Join. I need to get out of my marriage. Husband regularly tells me I 'm fucking useless. Last night he shouted at me for sitting down for a cup of tea after I had cleared away the tea things.

I am afraid. Especially of the finance. He is going away later this month so thinking that is a good time to see a solicitor.

Not sure how to behave in the mean time. Afraid I will change my mind, have done many times.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 05/10/2013 10:13

icepole welcome. sorry you find yourself in this position.Sad
It is hard once you have decided and started to disengage to keep upthe pretence. are there particular worries in that regard (that perhaps we can help with) if he senses the change- do you fear he Will become violent? Or try on the charm and persuade you to stay?

Also there is a link at the top somewhere about how to leave a DA relationship. It might help although I have not tried it myself.

Keep posting though. this thread is here to support you through this. and most people do try and then change their minds several times but eventually hopefully they succeed. So perhaps view the past attempts as training runs not failures. i.e. thefact you have tried before makes it more not less likely that at some point you Will succeed. don't give up.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 05/10/2013 10:15

Welcome icepole. It all seems overwhelming, until you get started. Then you will find you only need to do one step at a time. You know your next step is to see a solicitor, the only other thing you need to do is to keep quiet about your plans, and keep safe. (And post here, it helps so much)

Do you have DCs, and what is the housing situation?

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 05/10/2013 10:24

Re. link at the top- the link is on how to act when leaving not on how to leave sorry. i have tried leaving. successfully thankfully after a few false starts.

icepole · 05/10/2013 12:24

House in both names, we have two other properties we rent. Don't care about them. The one I live in is my childhood home. It's a mess, a building site, he was doing the work. I don't work. Money is my biggest worry and the unpleasantness to come.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 05/10/2013 13:26

icepole you know what you want, to keep the house, and that is a v good start. I too wanted to keep our marital home (though in my case it wasn't my childhood home) and initially this looked impossible. But I did manage it. There are no guarantees in your case, of course, but with other property in the pot, it may be feasible for you.

I managed to keep it by thinking things through slowly and thoroughly, not acting on any decision till I had thought it through again and talked it through with sol. I had a v good sol, Ex didn't have one (which made things both more difficult, and easier).

I began by reading up about divorce on the Resolution site.

icepole · 05/10/2013 13:42

Thanks, will check that out. He was in a black mood still this morning. I took the kids out. More settled now. Thinking of confiding in my sister in law.

Noregrets78 · 05/10/2013 13:48

I'm in a bad way today. DD has admitted that she does think bad of me due to things her Dad has said. But won't tell me what those things are - more secrets he's told her to keep. She doesn't know how to stop him saying them, and daren't say anything to him. If I say anything then I betray her confidence. All the advice seems to be not to worry - eventually she'll see who had her best interests at heart. But what if, by then, she's totally turned against me?

Noregrets78 · 05/10/2013 13:50

keep crying but she hates it. Hate making her feel worse by letting my own emotions out :-(

TheSilverySoothsayer · 05/10/2013 13:57

I forget how old she is noregrets - it is Ok to cry, and Ok to let DD see that it is Ok to cry. Can you have a mutual hug? You can manage without knowing what FW said, honest you can.

ColinButterfly · 05/10/2013 20:35

Hugs noregrets. She'll be spaghetti headed and confused by his word salad. He's abusing her by saying these things. If he can make you believe things he says about you, he can do it to your DD. The truth will out. Just keep loving her.

welcome icepole. Hope you can get some good support here.

I'm properly back in love with FW and now thinking I was OTT in labelling him EA. That can't be right. I felt bad enough to go to Women's Aid. I post on this thread. But I'm questioning it all.

ponygirlcurtis · 05/10/2013 20:37

Hello icepole. Sorry you have had to come to this tough decision. Confiding in RL people is a good place to start, it helps you clarify your decisions. Take things step by step.

noregrets you can still support DD. You can tell her that if she wants to talk to you about the things her dad has spoken to her about it, you will happily do so in confidence, promising not to reveal to FW anything, and that she wont get into trouble with you. She shouldn't be keeping secrets because he says she has to. And you can talk to her about how to deal with saying to him that she doesn't want to hear these things from him any more, give her strategies for dealing with it, sentences to say (broken record) and how to approach it.

ponygirlcurtis · 05/10/2013 20:41

Colin it's ok to question it - because you still know underneath, even though you are saying that you were OTT, that you weren't. You still know that, but questioning it makes you think about it and be sure. Keep questioning. Keep posting. Keep loving yourself, too, because you deserve to be loved.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 05/10/2013 21:02

colin you may feel like you are in love, however it is with a fantasy memory Sad

Noregrets78 · 05/10/2013 21:31

Thanks everyone, sorry I'm in no fit state to try to keep up with the thread. I've got it coming from all sides - he now wants 100% of everything as a financial settlement, he plans on moving back in in a few weeks, he currently comes and goes without warning and refuses to change that. I'm exhausted and stressed and can't be off sick from work as I have nowhere to go - last time he came here and did his ironing and refused to leave.

DD is 9 - she asks me to stop crying as it worries her, and I'm left feeling guilty. In the end I did just say - sometimes it's good to cry, right now I need to cry, and really could just do with a hug. Seemed to make her happier as well, that she could do something to help. But I still feel so bad leaning on her when it should be the other way round.

ColinButterfly · 05/10/2013 21:33

You're a team no regrets

Don't wittle about keeping up with the thread - we all have spells like that. Regrettably there's enough of us about to cover for everyone.