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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 26

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/09/2013 20:55

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
thatsnotmynamereally · 03/10/2013 21:25

Noregrets how awful, can he actually do that? Obviously it is as you describe he's been told it won't happen but he knows he can cause distress by asking. He is showing himself for what he is can your sol counter-attack by upping your offer, or would that just be playing games. I haven't been through it yet so don't know how the process goes but it just occurred to me that my H would (will?) probably do the same as he thinks that everything is his 'because he paid for it'.

Honey what a horrible man. I just hope he stays away from you so you can enjoy (?) the last weeks of your pregnancy. By acting like a FW to social services etc he just makes himself look bad not you. And log anything he does with the police of course.

Nini glad you are getting some good advice here re: contact, of course you shouldn't stay together just for your DD... my kids have told me that they hate the atmosphere in our house when H and I are both there. I'm ashamed to say I have used the excuse of keeping things together 'for the kids' to tolerate some hideous behaviour (as noted!) when I probably shouldn't have. If I'd found this site earlier (been almost exactly a year OMG), or realized that he was ABUSIVE I might have called him on it sooner. In the meantime (not sure if you're already doing this) can you log any incidents he has with DD that upset her or you, just to remind yourself or tell someone else. It might be useful to discuss it with someone in RL?

thatsnotmynamereally · 03/10/2013 21:34

Charlotte Grin WOW!!

ponygirlcurtis · 03/10/2013 21:48

Charlotte - I am so, so proud of you. You are so nearly there. Tomorrow will be a hard day for you, I'm sure. But glad you will have friends to help you through. And I will be in the Vixens tomorrow night to see how it went. Sending you much love and support. xx

ColinButterfly · 03/10/2013 21:55

Mink, you’re right, the adrenaline has definitely worn off. That energy that sent me for a tattoo, to Ibiza and other kinds of adventures has gone. It’s winter, I’ve gone all introverted and homely. I wish I could see him, in a cuddle, kiss and make it better way. Well the days when he kissed me on the mouth and didn’t point at his cheek. I am getting broody. But for every time I hear him saying we can have one (which he used to, usually after we’d broken up and this was his trump card), I also remember the mixture of elation but terror at him saying it (as in I can’t look after ANOTHER human being) and the times he’d say he wasn’t going to be ready until he was 40 (I would be 41). I do want my baby.

Thatsnot Yeah you’re right, no closure for me. But I haven’t moved on. Sounds like you are making some very positive steps and I simply adore your DD

Nini sorry you are feeling melancholic. I know what you mean about thinking you are a buffer to FWs behaviour towards your DD. On the flipside though, she gets no respite from it. Least if you were apart she would get some break from living on eggshells.

I've had a good exceptionally busy day at work and feel good about that...but still lousy at where FW is, never to be seen again.

ColinButterfly · 03/10/2013 21:56

Wow Charlotte, that's AMAZING!!!

ninilegsintheair · 03/10/2013 22:17

Oooh best of luck tomorrow Charlotte! Do let us know how it goes when you can. Much love Thanks.

Got my log of incidents, thatsnot. Depressing reading it is.

Heres to a celebration in the vixens for Charlotte tomorrow! Wine or [beer] anyone? (we need a beer emoticon)

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 03/10/2013 22:34

Aw, thanks for all the good wishes; I'm feeling all buoyed up by y'all! I won't be able to make it to the Vixens tomorrow, unfortunately - don't even have mobile reception in the new house, let alone internet access! But I have a small bottle of bubbly that I've been saving - and I shall be with you in spirit. (And asleep by 8:30pm, most likely!)

OP posts:
Inthequietcoach · 03/10/2013 22:45

Let me add my good wishes, Charlotte, will be looking out for you when you are back on-line, and thinking of you Thanks

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 03/10/2013 23:11

The train to indifference is now departing!

ALL ABOARD!

GrinGrin
Full buffetCake teasBrew and Wine available.

FWs your platform is over there....way over there...

Noregrets78 · 03/10/2013 23:17

rose is that you with a new name? Glad to hear everything's going well, really pleased for you. Have you managed to minimise your contact with FW?

charlotte well done, you sound so excited. Hope the move goes well. Yes FW is above legal advice, he has a whole set of rules made just for him dont ya know.

thats this is where we differ from FWs. I paid for everything (he's a cocklodger). But I don't see that as meaning it's all mine, hence my generous offer.

I've perked up a bit, and am not going to let the bastard grind me down. I shall commence jumping through the next set of hoops which seems to be mediation (which he will refuse to attend), followed by court.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 03/10/2013 23:32

noregrets what a PITA Sad

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 03/10/2013 23:41

weird one re. no closure. I had to tell someone about FW last night. and I said of course he (FW) doesn't know.
reply: what?!? he doesn't know he was abusive?
No, as far as he is concerned I got what I deserved no more no less and he is the victim in all this. Hmm

but, still I kind of have my closure, because do you know what, I don't care. I really do not care. Life goes onSmile

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 03/10/2013 23:51

Right I am off to bed but tomorrow, bunting, dirty minded wotsits WineWine and I may just unleash Bernard in his full glory Grin
His favourite word interjection at the moment is heterosexual. I think he doth protest too much Wink like most standard issue FWs making a point to be oh so very manly.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 04/10/2013 00:41

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 04/10/2013 00:42

Look
Grin blankety blank

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 04/10/2013 10:03

Good luck Charlotte!!

Suddenly got radiohead exit music in my head
Today we escape, we escape,
...Breathe keep breathing
Don't lose your nerve
Breathe, keep breathing

Godspeed (you too fly)

TheSilverySoothsayer · 04/10/2013 10:07

mink Is it a different code for 'space' that has tricked the computer?

Am v v excited on behalf of the escapees. Come on, you can do it!!

arthriticfingers · 04/10/2013 10:08

Can I sing along, too? Loud? Although I am really really tone deaf?

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 04/10/2013 10:29

Shhhh 4 x *. Someone discovered it on feminism boards last night. Probably the first time on MN someone has starred out an expletive GrinGrin

I know that song is actually about something different but the lyrics are so bang on.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 04/10/2013 19:54

??F?O?T?T?F?S?O?F?A?W?Y?G?T?F?O?S?M??
??????????F?U?C?K?W?I?T???????????
??????????F?R?E?E?D?O?M???????????

WineWineWineWineWineWineWine
CakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCake
[lashings of ginger beer]
[Camberwell carrot]

All Aboard! and get your best tunes on the juke boxSmile

Raises a glass to charlotte to fly and to all the vixens old or new in or out and to freedom, indifference and resilience.

ColinButterfly · 04/10/2013 20:18

Evening all

Raises malibu to all, especially charlotte and fly xx

ninilegsintheair · 04/10/2013 20:29

[beer] for me please! Grin

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 04/10/2013 20:43

What are you having on the juke box?
Grin

Inthequietcoach · 04/10/2013 20:51

I Love It.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 04/10/2013 21:45

rose hope you are going to find time to join us tonight and let us know how your course is going Smile

and charlotte hope you are out there enjoying your bubbly in your own house free from FW and all his stuffSmile

I am enjoying the vodka much Wink and a spot of Johnny Cash (although was he not a FW?)

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