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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 26

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/09/2013 20:55

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
AnotherRandom · 27/09/2013 19:46

I think I'm starting to hate my husband.

He is just on another planet. He is still not speaking with me since the lunch issue on god knows what day now, tues?

Yesterday he came home, didnt engage with our toddler and went to the gym. Today he has been even worse. I told him yesterday I am out with some friends tonight. I asked him today to get our toddler ready for bed while I get ready. He refused. I said it is his duty as a dad to look after his child especially when he hasn't seen her all day.

He said it is my duty as his wife to make his lunch. He said he wasn't going to change her nappy. He also said I hadn't arranged with him to go out tonight and he wanted to go gym! I said I rarely go out and he is at the gym 5 times a week.

He then proceeded to tell me that since he has helped out less the house is looking like a shit tip which it really isn't :( I purposely left this mornings dishes as he hasn't done anything around the house for the last 3 days.

I just left the house. Rang WA. I got home just now. He shouted at me, questioned where I was. Who I spoke to. I said a friend. He demandeD to know who. I panicked and said the samaritans :(

I'm due to go out at 8 to meet friends and he has left in his car. He did say to me that I am deluded if I think im the only victim here? I feel so shit.

ponygirlcurtis · 27/09/2013 19:51

another just handholding. Hopefully WA gave you some good advice and you feel better for speaking to them. I almost can't say anything about your H because his behaviour and his obvious entitlement to treat you however he wishes just jumps out so much. You know he's not going to come back in time for you to go out?

Also, abusers often tell their victims that they are being abusive. He's trying to put it onto you. Ignore that side of things, you are not abusive. But he is, horribly so. Stay safe when he comes back, keep your phone on you and stay out of his way - he'll be looking to goad you into starting an argument.

ponygirlcurtis · 27/09/2013 19:52

mink have you got any red hair chalks? I like a nice red streak in me barnet. Might keep it in for tomorrow night too.

Right, off to take the old varnish off and get dinner started. Back in a bit.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 27/09/2013 20:55

Yes i have every colour of the rainbow.

random i know exactly how frustrating all that is. my x used to deliberately go out when he knew i was supposed to be out if i had not toed the line. if he did mind the dcs he the dcs said i was not grateful enough even though he came and went as he pleased.
Basically you are being taken for granted.
He thinks he should get heaped with praise for doing anything at all and you should get no thanks for doing everything.

Have you thought about longer term plans?

betterthanever · 27/09/2013 21:24

random I think he can sence that you are not putting up with how he has been treating you in the past - you are doing the right thing. A FW will never say they are wrong so he has to blame you. Quick thinking on who you said you were calling and I am glad they are being supportive. If it is safe to do so keep a note of all this, I suppose you can always come back and print off this thread.

Mink can I have purple please. That first one went down quick. Don't know why I feel ok today after a few days of feeling terrible think I may recover faster than I used to. It's like a sea of waves - the splutering from being hit by the last one has stopped.. there are waves on the horizon I can see them but it's ok for now I must have another drink enjoy it.

ponygirlcurtis · 27/09/2013 21:27

Right. Am here, have Wine. Get chalking, mink!

better waves on the horizon is just that. Enjoy the now, and feeling ok. And have more Wine!

betterthanever · 27/09/2013 21:34

The good thing about all this pony is learning to appreciate the now much more. I have also seen other positives. I don't see any of them when I am in the full wave but every time I come out I feel it does make me stronger but I really don't think I could have done the last few months without support on here. Wine cheers everyone.. I will go to the bar - what is everyone having.
Can someone put the bunting up Smile I love that bunting so much.

betterthanever · 27/09/2013 21:35

Check me out with wine on my head Grin... see above

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 27/09/2013 21:42

The purple is particularly fetching i always think.
On phone so cannot bunt though.

Off to get lashing of give ginger beer. Wine

#with your feet on the air
and your head on the ground
try this trick and spin it yeah#

Hey that could be a description of someone's new hobby GrinWink

arthriticfingers · 27/09/2013 21:45

??F?O?T?T?F?S?O?F?A?W?Y?G?T?F?O?S?M??
??????????F?U?C?K?W?I?T???????????
and I would just like to add (only popped in for a quick one) that some of us appear not to understand what a hard life these utter fuckwits poor victims lead- I suggest releasing the total tossers poor hard-done-by misunderstood 'victims' off into the far away land of fuck from where they never need to return. A win win situation for all, I would argue.
Wine

betterthanever · 27/09/2013 22:05

(flowers] thanks for the bunting arthritic - if my Fw punched a wall and broke his hand he would try and claim from the manufacturer of the bricks.
Just got a bar snack not eaten much all week - it tastes so good.

ponygirlcurtis · 27/09/2013 22:09

Haha better Wine on your head!!!! (not sure why that is so funny, but it is!!!!)

mink heehee to the new hobby!

ponygirlcurtis · 27/09/2013 22:09

bar snack? Do you have a bar in your gaff?

theboiledfrog · 27/09/2013 22:16

Just checking in.

random he sounds utterly awful. Did he come back in time for you to go out?
better glad your sea is calm for now. Hope a tsunami comes and sweeps your FW away leaving you free to start afresh. Lol at claiming from dewsons for bricks being too hard!

My FW had to do handover of the kids with DM. He asked me later "does she ever have a fucking smile on her face"? will he ever learn that everyone else isnt odd/nasty/miserable its HIM!!!!

ponygirlcurtis · 27/09/2013 22:29

Yes, funny how they complain about others! They lack self-awareness, amongst sooooo many other things.

KouignAmann · 27/09/2013 22:37

Anyone for another Wine WineWine ?

BreatheandFlyAway · 27/09/2013 22:41

Hello friends.

Colin I am so sorry you’re feeling bad. I seem to remember survivors saying that a reaction kicks in after around six months, but I imagine that can be variable. Having another fw looming on the horizon is bound to make you long for the familiar and that’s how the fws keep us linked to them. Keep strong, we’re here Smile

Thatsnot what you describe on your holiday is awful and definitely should not be swept under the carpet, though I know all too well how “normality” (=unpleasant for people in normal r/ss) can suck one back in because massive upheaval is basically so bloody hard that it takes an enormous amount of hardship and crap to make us actually leave!

bounty I was not “allowed” to take my dcs to my dm’s by myself and fw would rarely consent to go and would make a massive sulky palava about it when he did. It’s awful. He has no right of course, but living with the consequences is what makes us buckle under, as I know all too well. Sympathy and whatever happens about the weekend, don’t beat yourself up and remember, he is wrong and you are right. Any decent person would wish for his partner to have a r/s with her dps and dcs to have rs with dgps. As better says, make a note of it, keep a journal, because this will all count a) towards your sanity in wondering if he’s a fw in moments of wobble and b) legally. You work on your plans in your own time, sweetheart and wqe will all be here to cheer you on and support you while you’re still “inside”, never to judge you. We understand!

mink I would love some hair chalks if I can have some? I may wrap some bunting round my PJs too!

another my fw always scuppered my plans to go out. It’s a typical trait. They can’t bear us to have fun because we might realise we’re fucking miserable at home!

Right, I’ve cracked the Wine after a week of being healthy and am ready to karaoke Grin

betterthanever · 27/09/2013 22:51

Yes please Kou
pony I'm in the vixens for my bar snack Grin I keep looking at wine on my head, I was thinking I find it funny due to Wine
Thanks frog that tsunami would be handy
another I hope you are not here, I hope you are out.

betterthanever · 27/09/2013 22:52

hi breathe - I think I may manage one song Smile

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 27/09/2013 22:55
Smile am knitting in the corner.
Dillie · 27/09/2013 22:58

Evening everyone. Hope you are all OK.

I have found myself reading your post another and most of it my ex did the same. When he picked up on I was not putting up with his crap any more, he upped the anti.

Colin like you I am 5 months in and not really sure why, but tonight it has hit me like a sledge hammer and feeling pretty rotten and lonely. I hope it gets easier in time, but I find it so frustrating not still not really feeling free ... if that makes sense. Holding you hand Colin

I need a Wine

Dillie · 27/09/2013 22:59

*your

AnotherRandom · 27/09/2013 23:03

I am parked on the driveway about to go in. I'm really nervous. He was trying to interrogate me before I left about what I spoke about to the 'samaritans'. I am so nervous.

Wish me luck :(

By the way had an amazing time tonight even though I was 40 mins late Hmm

BreatheandFlyAway · 27/09/2013 23:03

cheers Wine is "I want to break free" too obvious for my karaoke turn? I keep humming it for some reason......

KouignAmann · 27/09/2013 23:09

I remember at around six months after leaving I had reached the sad stage. The numbness saw me through the first month and the anger kept me raging for another five. Then the sorrow hit and I grieved for quite a while. I still do sometimes as I had a good marriage for many years until my FW became so important he had no time for his family (genuinely - he is a world expert in his field and quite famous). Because of that he expected full hotel service at home and constant praise. FW!

Just let the feelings pass and accept them. They are natural and part of the healing process. You won't always feel this way and the only way onward is past the pain. Wine helps though Grin

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