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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 26

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/09/2013 20:55

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
MrsMinkBernardLundy · 23/09/2013 09:31

Yy. just to clarify what i meant above was you personally were right and so in normal circumstances would be right to stand up for yourself and must not think you are wrong or feel guilty for not wanting to be treated badly.

BUT safety is the main priority. so don't stand up (even when you know you are right) if you think at all you will be in danger.
It is so frustrating. no one should have to live in circumstances where they're afraid to speak their mind Sad but you must do what you have to for now. but do hold on to your own reality in your head if you can.

I was not saying stand up for yourself at any cost. sorry if it was clumsily worded.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 23/09/2013 09:34

X post. i m glad things have calmed down. and yes to him making his own sandwiches. He obviously knows went too far. and as lundy says women know the situation are generally the best judge of how their partner will react.

And do share. we are here for you Brew it makes an enormous difference to having to put up with this knowing you're not alone in it.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 23/09/2013 11:49

Hi everyone. Sorry ive been awol but lifegot just about as bad as it could. I found out that fw who left 8 weeks ago has has OW (25 year old beautiful blonde he met at the gym). now he is a 41 year old, short and bald so what she wants with him i dont know. he claims shes a con artist and tryung to get money from him yet he wont stop shagging her! ive had my MiL on the phone beingcompletely vile to me.telling me things which even thwart the happy memories i had with fw. i feel so low.

ponygirlcurtis · 23/09/2013 11:51

Oh random I am another one getting that sickening lurch of recognition reading your post about what he did last night. That could have been me 2 years ago. Sad The duvet being whipped off the bed, threats to do more, me trying to leave the room to sleep elsewhere and getting a barrage of verbal abuse, blocking me physically, calling me vile names. That is all abuse. All while telling me he wasn't being abusive and it was my fault for winding him up.

Glad you are going to talk to WA. They are there for all abusive situations, emotional, verbal, financial, sexual - not just overtly physical (although if he's blocking you, grabbing your wrist, pushing you, intimidating you and making you scared, I'm afraid he's already physically abusing you, lovely Sad). Take care.

AnotherRandom · 23/09/2013 20:14

:( I didn't get any time to call WA today.

One thing that really pisses me off is that he is acting completely normal. I don't feel normal. Do I pretend everything is okay? I don't want to discuss last night because somehow, and I don't know how, he will make it my fault and my problem. And tbh, I cannot be asked for this BS so would rather ignore it unfortunately. Is that wrong of me? Should we talk about it?

I seriously am at a loss. Do I sleep in the same bed now? I just don't know as it feels like he can do as he pleases and get away with it Angry

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 23/09/2013 20:19

WineCakeWineCakeWineCakeWineCakeWineCake

Let us have a milestone party!!!! GrinGrin

what shall we have on the jukebox?

TisILeclerc · 23/09/2013 20:25

Whoop whoop! I'm here Grin

Oh, the jukebox mink... there are so many to choose from. I'm sure Bernard must have done some remixes? Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 23/09/2013 20:26

I read the cake thread today, mink whilst ahem working, love the cunt bunting!!!

Am on Wine. Soon to be having Cake. Not celebrating as much, more... enjoying life as it is now, compared to what it was.

Jukebox: depends whether we want to dance or cry! There are a lot of Adele songs that would fit, and Katy Perry, and of course 'I will survive'. But I think we should dance. Some Abba maybe am old

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 23/09/2013 20:27

Sorry flora random did not mean to bunt all over your troubles Blush but hopefully it will give you a little solace to know we are celebrating happy escapes and new lives.

flora that sucks but do not envy him. he will no matter who he us shagging always be a miserable dissatisfied fuckwit and he isn't going to get any taller or hairier either. Mil sounds like a poisonous old trout someone you should not be speaking citrus titted arsepart (sorry i have been on the pta thread in classics well worth a read if you are running short of invective or just need a laugh)

random you do whatever is easier for you. be kind to yourself. there is no rule that says you must do anything. so you do what you feel is right Brew

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 23/09/2013 20:29

pony did you read the follow up pta thread. omg!

ponygirlcurtis · 23/09/2013 20:32

Random, sorry missed your post. I think the advice I gave last night is the same - stay safe, but overall no matter what you do (sleep in same bed or don't), it wont matter, he'll find a way to make it your fault and make you wrong. There is no way for you to make things better. Try and talk to him if you feel it's the right time, he's receptive, but don't be too upset if it doesn't go well. Start detaching from him.

TisILeclerc · 23/09/2013 20:33

I am on Brew right now but could be tempted to have another glass of wine before bedtime.

I didn't manage to save my threads before I had to nuke all my posts in April, but I well remember this time last year getting home from SiL's, emailing FW and then panicking ALL night. I remember the next day when he came round and wouldn't leave, taking me shopping etc. I remember the day after that, when he came despite me asking him not to and again refusing to leave. I remember it all.

I remember those of you who were here for it all, who talked me through so many wobbles and victories, big and small.

I am proof that it can be done Smile

ponygirlcurtis · 23/09/2013 20:47

Raising a Wine to you, for all you have been through and all you have become. You are both a survivor and an inspiration. I can remember your post last year saying that you'd emailed him telling him not to come home. I know you didn't feel it at the time but I was so impressed with your sudden strength, which has continued to impress me through the last year. You have been up against so many obstacles, and have endured some of the worst abuse I have read about on these threads, and yet you are still a strong, shining person. Take pride in yourself, lovely. That is you, despite him.

Sorry, didn't meant to type all that, got a bit carried away!!

And I have taken copies of all threads since I started posting so let me know if you want me to send you any

AnotherRandom · 23/09/2013 20:49

Loving the celebrations! Don't feel I can join in yet. One day maybe lol.

(sits here with apple juice rocking out to some 90s cheesy pop)
Blush Grin

kirstyleanne · 23/09/2013 20:50

Sorry for butting in and I clearly haven't read the up to date thread but I've just kicked my husband out (for the night) Angry Sad. It's the first time things have got this far. He didn't do anything massively intimidating or anything violent but I just felt that he wasn't in control of his anger and I was scared for me and my daughter. Not sure if I'm over reacting just because everything is so new and raw at the minute, but for the first time in a long time I feel that I have done the right thing for my daughter. Think he is only going to sleep in the car as he refused to take clothes but it's better than nothing. Told him that if he came near the house I would call the police. Hate this.

TisILeclerc · 23/09/2013 20:51

Oh pony as I typed that I wondered if someone might have... I would love love love that. I feel like it has been such a journey and there are so many things that stick in my mind, but so much is also forgotten. I would love to read it all again one day. I will PM, my lovely.

Oh, it is soooo good to be back here, even if for a flying visit Smile

ponygirlcurtis · 23/09/2013 21:07

kirsty whatever happened, you are not overreacting lovely. If you are scared, he needs to go. Please, follow through with the Police if he tries to get back in or frightens you in any way.

random you'll have your day, believe me, it will come. Once you know, you can't un-know.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 23/09/2013 21:10

Random, I would ignore it for the sake of my sanity. That's just me, but if it's what you want to do too, do it. We do far too much of what we're expected, and not enough of what we feel is right! I think your reasoning, that it's just not worth bringing it up because nothing will be resolved and you will feel worse, is good reasoning. (But someone else in the same position might feel better if they said something... there is no one right course of action here, just what's right for you.)

Although, having said that, I would recommend mulling over a possible plan, if you haven't already. Some way to improve life in the future. Whatever you feel you can cope with: tell someone irl, or look up what benefits you could get if you left, or something.

OP posts:
CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 23/09/2013 21:15

Tis, lovely girl, how great to see you! Congratulations and all that. Last year was very exciting to one still trapped and bogged down and living vicariously through other's strong actions!

mink, yay for party atmosphere! ... must read that thread one of these days. Perhaps I'll copy it now to read through one night in the new house while I'm waiting for them to connect the broadband!

Rock on!

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foolonthehill · 23/09/2013 21:16

Flowers tis

TisILeclerc · 23/09/2013 21:38

Fi, thank you xx

TheSilverySoothsayer · 23/09/2013 21:47

random you say he is acting 'normal'. Does that mean he is still ordering you about/deciding on telly etc, or maybe that stuff hasn't happened to arise today? However, he did make his own sandwiches today. I wonder whether he'll continue doing so.

I think I would stay quiet for the time being, no point in stirring up an ant's nest till you know a bit better what your options are.

arthriticfingers · 23/09/2013 22:24

Just popped in to the vixens' to raise a glass of good cheer to all of us.
May all FWs stay at the far side of fuck and further! Wine

AnotherRandom · 23/09/2013 22:38

I have decided to just not even bother stirring it up and to just move on like it didn't happen Angry

He is being his normal nice self today, been a bit more helpful, just acting nice. It makes it hard to believe he can flip like that. It isn't a sudden change, he does allow it to build up and then explode.

Problem is, like I mentioned in my old thread, his dad has emotionally abused his mother quite badly and I think it is learnt behaviour from his childhood.

I remembered just now he said to me last night that I am on some power trip trying to prove a point of having to stand up for women's rights Hmm wtf!

bountyicecream · 23/09/2013 23:17

Yay tis. That is a fantastic milestone to celebrate.