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Is this normal or insensitive. Sex?

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Workwhatwork · 09/09/2013 09:43

I'm having a really shitty time right now with various things that are going on so I'm feeling quite low anyway.

Last night I was in bed with my boyfriend and I started trying it on with him. I was sort of cuddled up to his back and I started stroking his hair and back and kissing his back a bit, then touching him down there. I was running my hands up and down and then when I wernt to touch him down there again he blocked me with his arm so I took that to mean he didn't want sex and turn over to go to sleep.

He turned to me and said I was teasing him and started touching me down there. I wanted to have sex but I couldn't get wet and him touching me was hurting.

The thing is and I don't know whether it's just me, sorry for tmi, but I seem to be able to get wet more at certain times of the months, so just after my period I can't always get wet but just before I do. Sometimes my boyfriend hurts me when touching me, if he's trying to put his finger in me he will often miss by an inch or so and try to force it into the completely wrong place, he also uses spit as lube even though we have proper lube and I don't like it. Because of all this I think I've got quite jumpy especially when I'm not wet because I'm expecting for him to hurt me.

After a while of me not getting wet he started to go in a mood saying I was teasing him and obviously didn't want it as I'm not wet. I try to explain that just because I can't get wet doesn't mean I don't want to, and that sometimes it isn't just a case of sticking his hand down there for a fiddle and expecting me to have multiple orgasms, sometimes it is but sometimes I need a bit more foreplay.

It escalated into a row and he started doing over the top impressions of me jumping and saying "ooo, ooo, ahh, ahh" like a monkey as though that's what I was doing. I was a bit jumpy but it's because it was hurting and I was expecting him to try to shove his finger in where I have a wee like he often does. But apparently this is all my fault as he isn't doing anything different.

The other massve thing is, in the past, (we have been together 5 years), I have found out he has gone behind my back.

I've found out he's been on dating sites talking to other women. He says that this was when we had split up so almost doesn't matter. We were both on Facebook and he was chatting and flirting with women from chatrooms and stuff on there. He had a few younger women on there and when I asked who they were he said that they were girls from school who were a few years below him. He sort of joked that they would never look twice at him as they're too good looking (how's that supposed to make me feel) and that he'd only added them to make him look good. I also found out he had fake email addresses to use on dating sites. This was an ongoing thing over about 2 years and there were at least 10 different women I found him chatting and flirting with all from chatrooms or dating sites. I even caught him chatting with one the night after his grans funeral.

These are the things I found out, I of course don't know what else may have happened. But that I'm aware of nothing has happened since, he's no longer on Facebook and neither am I and he no longer has a computer or laptop aside from the one we share.

But last weekend I was looking through the photos on his phone. I never look at his phone so goes to show, but I was looking for some old photos of a concert we went to. And I came across a photo of a pair of boobs. No face just a top pulled up flashing the boobs, the photo was in downloads so I can only thing it was a picture message he'd been sent.

Of course I felt sick, asked him who it was. The story he gave was that he couldn't even remember her name, it was some woman from a dating site years ago and he didn't even realise it was still in the phone. But he tried to make out it wasn't a picture message but had been synced from his old laptop.

I told him to get out, it was over. But he wouldn't go, he seems to think that because it was all part of the things he was up to in the past and I'm supposed to have forgiven him, that I should just forget about it now.

But of course I can't, I don't trust him at all.

Then we went to a family party at the weekend. There was another woman on our table, a family friend. I started to feel as though he was making a particular point to speak to her. He rarely strikes up conversation with anyone and usually sits messing around with his phone but he kept making jokes to her, telling me to look at her phone case isn't it nice. Then I remember that she sent him a Christmas card last year and my name wasn't on it even though everyone elses were sent as couples.

This is how I've ended up as a result of what he's done in the past. Even if nothing is going on I feel as though he tries to get attention from young women to get an ego boost.

Sorry it's so long I just don't know what to think anymore.

OP posts:
LoisPuddingLane · 12/09/2013 11:58

If you share his bath, you are sitting in arse-flavoured water. This could also be a reason you get the UTIs because there are arse crumbs in the water.

KatyTheCleaningLady · 12/09/2013 12:06

You can do whatever you want. You have no children, lease, or mortgage to consider. You can go away for ever, with zero explanation, if you want.

What he wants, says, or thinks means nothing.

There are women on here who are married to Jerusalem, financially dependent on them. They have to figure out how to escape that shit.

You can walk away!

KatyTheCleaningLady · 12/09/2013 12:06

Jerusalem?? Shock
Jerks! Grin

QuintessentialOldDear · 12/09/2013 12:14

So this man has spent 5 years trying to work out where your vagina is, and he still have not found it?

And he thinks picking his bum in front of you is sexy?

Look, you have spent 5 years telling him what you like and dont like, and he has not been listening. What makes you think he ever will?

There are good men, and good sex out there, for you to find, if only you manage to work out why you let this creep push poo from his fingers into your wee hole.

There is a whole thesis to be written about that, I am sure.

valiumredhead · 12/09/2013 12:20

Katy is right, there is NOTHING tying you to him apart from what is going on in your head that makes you think you are not worthy of someone decent.

What is nice about him? What do you love about him? What does he do to make you feel special, loved and cared for?

There is nothing to stop you telling him to go back to his place for a bit if you don't want to end it completely, but I bet a few nights away from this pig will have you wondering what you ever saw in him.

LoisPuddingLane · 12/09/2013 12:38

I really hope the penny is dropping. You could do so much better. Being on your own is better than this. Much better.

LoisPuddingLane · 12/09/2013 12:40

when I say ouch or not there or move his hand he just does it again

Vicious, filthy, nasty man.

Phalenopsis · 12/09/2013 12:51

So to recap, this is a man who:

  • At worst is sexually assaulting you, at best has some very strange ideas about sex.
  • Sulks when he doesn't get a shag and makes bizarre monkey noises.
  • Thinks that sex is a porn movie (the expectation that you're wet immediately and therefore gagging for it and the stabbing fingers gives that away)
  • Is engaging in dodgy online behaviour with other women.
  • Picks at his arsehole and hairs when he's in the bath. (I've read your descriptions of this at least 10 times and my mind is still boggling.)
  • Either believes his behaviour is completely normal or is telling you that because so far you've accepted it.

Why on earth are you with him?! He's truly awful.

GettingStrong · 12/09/2013 12:55

OP do you think he is sexually abusing you?

Because that is exactly what it sounds like. If you don't think he is sexually abusing you, I wonder what your definition of sexual abuse is.

Also I wonder what kind of mental tricks you have to play with yourself in order to get into bed with him when you are feeling jumpy and knowing he may hurt you. Whatever crap you are telling yourself, this is not normal or ok.

LoisPuddingLane · 12/09/2013 13:01

I don't think anyone has ever prodded me around in this way. And I'm quite a veteran.

Oh I tell a lie. After I'd had my daughter and everything was swollen, an inexperienced nurse could not get the catheter up my wee hole and that was agony.

Workwhatwork · 12/09/2013 20:42

I suppose I am allowing him to hurt me by staying with him, but I suppose I had never considered that he may be doing it on purpose. I suppose I thought that perhaps I was being over sensitive. I don't really discuss in detail with any other women which bits they like to be touched or not like, I hadn't thought about it in that much detail.

This probably sounds quite sad but but my boyfriend isn't really into the sort of things I'm into, he isn't really interested in sharing fantasies or being what I would consider very intimate. He just seems to enjoy making me orgasm and then having quick sex. And I have been taking myself off into my own fantasy world each time, most of the time I'm not really 'there' I'm away in my own mind so I've probably managed to convince myself I'm enjoying myself. So I almost don't even expect him to stimulate me. Perhaps I am treating him as much of an object as he is me?

Regarding the baths - if you know he's going to sit there and arse-pick and fart, why on earth do you get in with him? I don't think there is enough money on earth to persuade me to take a bath with an arse-picking farty cunt

Again I don't really know why I still get in the bath with him, I don't bath with him all the time so I probably forget as it isn't started out ike that it's supposed to be a nice thing, when I moan at him about it I get accused of being a cow and bullying him, he says it's his arse and he should be able to do what he wants to it. How can I argue with that? I ask him just to not do it in the bath in front of me and he says not to look at him.

He does have dirty habits at the end of the day, he just does. He will wipe the floor with my washing up sponge and then put it back, he mops up the crumbs with the mop instead of sweeping first, he pisses on the toilet rim, I've seen him clean a toilet starting with the inside to the out so essentially wiping all of the germs all over the flusher and seat.

I suppose a lot of the time I've put up with it as I just thought it was part and parcel, doesn't everyones partner have annoying habits?

The other stuff, the dating sites, the taking the piss out of me when he'd hurt me, I know that they're unacceptable. But a lot of the other stuff he's managed to convince me is normal, even down to hurting me in sex I thought perhaps I was just too sensitive down there.

Now I just don't know what to think.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 12/09/2013 20:54

Yes you do. You do know what to think. Acting on it is a different matter, I suspect.

AllOverIt · 12/09/2013 20:57

What a foul man. You could do so much better than him! Don't waste any more time putting up with his vile behaviour. Life is too short

SolidGoldBrass · 12/09/2013 21:02

OP,have you not had very many sexual partners before him, and were you repeatedly told when you were young that the most important thing in a woman's life is to have a Man In Her Life?

Vivacia · 12/09/2013 21:04

But a lot of the other stuff he's managed to convince me is normal, even down to hurting me in sex I thought perhaps I was just too sensitive down there.

Do you feel that this thread is full of people telling you it's not normal?

Priceliss · 12/09/2013 21:08

Can I just say....are you living in a relationship you are proud of where you feel loved, cared for, positive, good? From your posts I'd say no and therefore why bother? All the time you are wasting with him feeling sexually neglected, suspicious and miserable there are 3 billion potential men on earth who could offer you more. You have to DO YOU. "Loneliness" wears off when your on new dates meeting new people and discovering yourself. Life is short live it to the maximum x

claudedebussy · 12/09/2013 21:08

it's bad enough that you posted here.

it's that classic - you get really fed up, have a moan and then when you realise what needs to happen you convince yourself it's really not that bad. ad nauseum.

not judging you btw - i have been there myself. so {{{hugs}}}

turbochildren · 12/09/2013 21:10

It must feel like a lot to take in, but what he is doing is pretty awful. if you're not tied to him with children just please walk away. There must be nice men out there who are nice to have sex with, I'm sure they do exist.
Get a vibrator or something for the mean time, and you don't have to worry about stabby fingers. (Jeez, I did not know it was possible to attempt penetration of the urethra. Bloody hell.)
Good luck, you deserve a whole lot better than this!

Jessicarthorse · 12/09/2013 21:14

Oh OP. I never post on these threads, but I feel so bad for you.

Please get away from this horrible man. He hates you and you seem so sad and helpless.

This thread is heartbreaking.

GettingStrong · 12/09/2013 21:19

So if there is no emotional connection and you have to go off into your own little fantasy world during sex, but there is also no physical connection because you say you don't expect him to stimulate you...and you are jumpy because he might hurt you....what are you getting out of the sex? Why are you bothering to have sex at all?

RaRaZ · 12/09/2013 21:28

OP, STOP thinking about it and worrying about what to think and what you bf might be thinking and whether you'll be ok alone and whether sex would be better with anyone else, and just get the hell out of that relationship. That man is a disgusting selfish jerk with no respect for you. If he wishes to pick his arse, he can do so in the luxury of a bachelor pad - I'm pretty sure there won't be a queue of women waiting to leap on him when you leave him. Get out of there before he does any further emotional damage to you.

Workwhatwork · 12/09/2013 21:52

OP,have you not had very many sexual partners before him, and were you repeatedly told when you were young that the most important thing in a woman's life is to have a Man In Her Life?

I have had other sexual partners yes and one other long term partner, although it's almost hard to remember as it was so long ago. And my previous long term partner was far, far worse. I haven't been told nor do I think that having a man in my life is the most important thing, although I suppose there is an element of women being told that they should make their relationships work. The sad old spinster/cat lady thing.

Do you feel that this thread is full of people telling you it's not normal?

Yes I can see that and I know that a lot of it is awful but I still get the nagging feeling thaty the hurting me thing is accidental. Some people are still saying that he's actually trying to penetrate me there but I really don't think that he actually is. It's as though he thinks that all areas are there for touching, I've tried to explain that he rubs my clit (I feel embarassed just typing this) then he sort of moves his finger down as if he's going to go inside me but instead presses on where I have a wee, it really seems as though he's genuinely missing the spot although I can see why noone would believe he actually could be that useless. And then I guess I do tell him and he still does it, and blames me for the way I'm lying or for not being wet so I guess that is really horrible.

So if there is no emotional connection and you have to go off into your own little fantasy world during sex, but there is also no physical connection because you say you don't expect him to stimulate you...and you are jumpy because he might hurt you....what are you getting out of the sex? Why are you bothering to have sex at all?

It wasn't always like this, I don't ever remember him hurting me at the start which is why when he says it's me as he's not doing anything differently I sometimes think that it is. I don't even know myself anymore. I always thought that I enjoyed sex, I always orgasm. It's like when I'm 'wet' and I say I don't want it and he says that I must do as I'm wet. If I go along with it I end up having an orgasm so I think I guess must have wanted it and not realised. This thread has just got me totally questioning everything as I thought that I did enjoy sex as I always manage to orgasm, but perhaps that is just because I take myself off into my own little fantasy? I am starting to think that it is very wrogn that I can even do that when someone has hurt me and been very nasty to me.

OP posts:
LoisPuddingLane · 12/09/2013 22:01

It isn't you. You keep saying the same things as if none of this is getting through to you.

What he does to you is not normal. Of all my many partners (I'm old), none of them has ever poked around in my urethra.

When I read about the stuff in the bath I feel sick.

GettingStrong · 12/09/2013 22:09

Sorry OP but what you say there still makes it sound like sexual abuse to me. It is possible to be wet and orgasm even if you do not want to do so but you feel for whatever reasons you have to go along with it. You certainly can't assume that if you have an orgasm then you must have wanted it but not realised it.

Have you thought about ringing WA and talking to them about it. Or you could just send them an email.

AnyFucker · 12/09/2013 22:13

We are talking to the hand.

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