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Is this normal or insensitive. Sex?

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Workwhatwork · 09/09/2013 09:43

I'm having a really shitty time right now with various things that are going on so I'm feeling quite low anyway.

Last night I was in bed with my boyfriend and I started trying it on with him. I was sort of cuddled up to his back and I started stroking his hair and back and kissing his back a bit, then touching him down there. I was running my hands up and down and then when I wernt to touch him down there again he blocked me with his arm so I took that to mean he didn't want sex and turn over to go to sleep.

He turned to me and said I was teasing him and started touching me down there. I wanted to have sex but I couldn't get wet and him touching me was hurting.

The thing is and I don't know whether it's just me, sorry for tmi, but I seem to be able to get wet more at certain times of the months, so just after my period I can't always get wet but just before I do. Sometimes my boyfriend hurts me when touching me, if he's trying to put his finger in me he will often miss by an inch or so and try to force it into the completely wrong place, he also uses spit as lube even though we have proper lube and I don't like it. Because of all this I think I've got quite jumpy especially when I'm not wet because I'm expecting for him to hurt me.

After a while of me not getting wet he started to go in a mood saying I was teasing him and obviously didn't want it as I'm not wet. I try to explain that just because I can't get wet doesn't mean I don't want to, and that sometimes it isn't just a case of sticking his hand down there for a fiddle and expecting me to have multiple orgasms, sometimes it is but sometimes I need a bit more foreplay.

It escalated into a row and he started doing over the top impressions of me jumping and saying "ooo, ooo, ahh, ahh" like a monkey as though that's what I was doing. I was a bit jumpy but it's because it was hurting and I was expecting him to try to shove his finger in where I have a wee like he often does. But apparently this is all my fault as he isn't doing anything different.

The other massve thing is, in the past, (we have been together 5 years), I have found out he has gone behind my back.

I've found out he's been on dating sites talking to other women. He says that this was when we had split up so almost doesn't matter. We were both on Facebook and he was chatting and flirting with women from chatrooms and stuff on there. He had a few younger women on there and when I asked who they were he said that they were girls from school who were a few years below him. He sort of joked that they would never look twice at him as they're too good looking (how's that supposed to make me feel) and that he'd only added them to make him look good. I also found out he had fake email addresses to use on dating sites. This was an ongoing thing over about 2 years and there were at least 10 different women I found him chatting and flirting with all from chatrooms or dating sites. I even caught him chatting with one the night after his grans funeral.

These are the things I found out, I of course don't know what else may have happened. But that I'm aware of nothing has happened since, he's no longer on Facebook and neither am I and he no longer has a computer or laptop aside from the one we share.

But last weekend I was looking through the photos on his phone. I never look at his phone so goes to show, but I was looking for some old photos of a concert we went to. And I came across a photo of a pair of boobs. No face just a top pulled up flashing the boobs, the photo was in downloads so I can only thing it was a picture message he'd been sent.

Of course I felt sick, asked him who it was. The story he gave was that he couldn't even remember her name, it was some woman from a dating site years ago and he didn't even realise it was still in the phone. But he tried to make out it wasn't a picture message but had been synced from his old laptop.

I told him to get out, it was over. But he wouldn't go, he seems to think that because it was all part of the things he was up to in the past and I'm supposed to have forgiven him, that I should just forget about it now.

But of course I can't, I don't trust him at all.

Then we went to a family party at the weekend. There was another woman on our table, a family friend. I started to feel as though he was making a particular point to speak to her. He rarely strikes up conversation with anyone and usually sits messing around with his phone but he kept making jokes to her, telling me to look at her phone case isn't it nice. Then I remember that she sent him a Christmas card last year and my name wasn't on it even though everyone elses were sent as couples.

This is how I've ended up as a result of what he's done in the past. Even if nothing is going on I feel as though he tries to get attention from young women to get an ego boost.

Sorry it's so long I just don't know what to think anymore.

OP posts:
thenightsky · 10/09/2013 22:00

I'm amazed you ever get wet and feel like sex with him at all. I wouldn't be able to get the image of him picking his bum out of my mind

Stropzilla · 11/09/2013 14:42

Mocking you by making monkey noises is horrible. This man has no respect for you. Make him get back to his own damn place and get rid. Find a nice guy who will respect you, they are out there. You deserve so much better.

valiumredhead · 11/09/2013 15:18

OP, how are you, is he gone yet?

Scarletohello · 11/09/2013 16:31

Please tell us you have decided to leave him. This won't get any better...

StillSeekingSpike · 11/09/2013 18:15

Oh darling Sad. This has to be the worse I have ever heard or read. And I thought I'd had some shit sex in my time...

Five fucking YEARS of a sexually incompetent bully who doesn't know or care how a woman's body works- prison would be better than that. And you say that NOW he 'seems to have taken it on board'????? REALLY?

So before he thought you squirming in pain, and him picking his arse in the bath was somehow acceptable. Jesus, this man wouldn't even get a place in the monkey house at the zoo.
Why on earth do you value yourself so little you put up with this? It's heartbreaking Sad Angry

catsmother · 11/09/2013 18:16

Mrsbaileys has it spot on - a fucking vile pig.

OP - you don't need to have a conversation about sexual technique, sexual arousal or whatever because that's not the issue here. His abuse of you is the issue.

This is so NOT ignorance ..... if it was and he was fumbling about by genuine accident, he'd be led by you and stop as soon as you yelped. But it's been going on for years hasn't it ?

He gets a kick out of hurting you, demeaning you and humiliating you. Trying to penetrate your urethra is nasty extreme porn - no wonder you get UTIs as he's bruising you each time, never mind the fact it also sounds as if he's none too bothered about hygiene (bum picking WTF?).

Then to mock you when you object - entirely understandably - as if you have some sort of problem.

This is sexual assault.

The insistence that you share a bath with him to witness the farting and bum picking is one of the most revolting things I've ever read. It's almost as if he's goading you - daring you to object about that. It's foul. What sort of loving partner would ever subject someone to that ?

Plus all the other crap you've described.

Please please tell him to fuck right off to hell and die. There is no justification, no possible explanation for this nasty behaviour. I really feel quite scared for you should you remain with him. Please don't be fooled that he's "taken anything in". He's saying what he thinks you want him to say so he remains in control - either so he can move out in his own sweet time (which would be the lesser of two evils) or, more likely, because he wants to remain in control of you so he can continue his abuse. He's treating you like a thing OP.

AnyFucker · 11/09/2013 18:40

I'd still like someone to answer how you actually pick your bum

There is nothing to "pick" is there ? Or do some people have different bum holes to me ?

LoisPuddingLane · 11/09/2013 18:45

Could be spots on the arse cheeks. Or clinkers stuck in his arse hair.

Sorry, it's tea time isn't it...

catsmother · 11/09/2013 18:46

Whatever it is, it's bloody disgusting and designed to demean the OP who is sharing her bath water with it.

LoisPuddingLane · 11/09/2013 18:54

I wouldn't share a postcode with him let alone bathwater.

AnyFucker · 11/09/2013 19:18

There is something particularly vile and abusive about doing something like that right in front of someone's face

This bloke needs putting down like the dog he is

HansieMom · 11/09/2013 19:42

You should kick him out. Let him go back to his own place with the leaking shower, kitchen without lights, non working bathroom and whatever other mess he has. It is probably dirty and moldy too. You will thank yourself for getting rid of him!

valiumredhead · 11/09/2013 19:57

I've got such horrible feeling he has talked the OP roundSad

AnyFucker · 11/09/2013 20:10

maybe this time, val (don't hold your breath though)

some people will put up with literally anything to be in a relationship Sad

come back and prove us wrong, OP

Frizzbonce · 11/09/2013 22:37

AF 'I'd still like someone to answer how you actually pick your bum'

It is possible if you're the kind of person who doesn't wipe yourself thoroughly after a poo. You can end up with dried bits around your bumhole. Hey Presto - picking material.

Yet another reason to add to the million and one why the OP should leave this scumbag.

NettleTea · 11/09/2013 22:43

Jesus.....

AnyFucker · 11/09/2013 22:50

< scream >

Workwhatwork · 12/09/2013 07:39

Sorry I haven't been on, I've been really busy with work and running about.

Just to clarify a couple of things. Somebody asked why I've let him do this for 5 years. I haven't exactly let him. If he's hurt me I've always spoken up. It isn't always apparent as. Sometimes it doesn't happen or he might go down on me so no fingers involved (sorry).

The poking where I have a wee, I'm certain that he's not intentionally trying to penetrate me there, but is missing the spot. He does do this a lot but its more noticeable when I'm not wet. To be honest I thought he was just clumsy with his fingers rather than doing it deliberately. What upsets me is that when he hurts me he gets frustrated with me and says "we'll it's a bit difficult when you're not wet" or says its my fault as I'm lying in a funny position.

I try to say why doesn't he try to get me wet by kissing. Touching, talking dirty, a massage, sex toys anything but he basically says u obviously don't want it if I'm not already wet. He also says I don't do these things to him. But the trouble is by then I'm too angry to want to.

Regarding him picking his bum, I don't really know what he's doing but he lies there legs apart poking his finger around his bum hole and pulling at the hairs and he does this in full view constantly. That's as well as farting and pretending to waft it at me or getting out of the bath and leaving me with the 'smell'. This is all whole I'm squashed up at the end of the bath in between his legs. And yes it does make me feel sick and reading it I've no idea why I ever agreed to get into a bath with him. I do tell him it's gross to pick at his bum like that in front of me and he says he's cleaning it. But he's not, it's just a nasty habit he has, I clean my bum with a hand and some body wash and I generally do this alone in the shower not during a 'romantic' bath. If I ask him to stop playing with his bum he goes into a strop I don't know how he manages to pick his bum but he definitely does and it is disgusting to watch. He also tells me not to look at it but I can't not when he's in front of me and I'm squashed between his legs.

OP posts:
EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 12/09/2013 07:41

So what do you plan to do about it?

AnyFucker · 12/09/2013 07:41

I don't understand why you still have a bath with him. (Or anything at all, actually)

valiumredhead · 12/09/2013 07:44

You're still with him then?

AnyFucker · 12/09/2013 07:45

And planning to stay with him, it would seem ?

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 12/09/2013 07:47

Yes, you're very passive it seems. You allow him to try to persuade you that you are horny when you know you are not, you continue to have a bath with him when he's being disgusting. Why can't you draw your line? 'Im not in the mood for sex, end of story' and no more discussion. 'Shall we have a sexy bath together' 'no I told you I won't do that because you won't stop picking you're arse' - boundaries. You are allowed them.

peggyundercrackers · 12/09/2013 08:08

this has to be a wind up?

Ive never known any man to miss the spot and have his finger in my wee hole instead of where its meant to be - he is doing this intentionally - hes in his thirties and he doesn't know? seriously...

as for the bath thing with him farting and leaving and picking his bum - hes disgusting and disrespectful - why would anyone put up with someone else doing that? and really why would you sit and watch him pick his bum? if I was in the bath with someone and they done that id be out that bath in double quick time - I certainly wouldn't be watching him.

Workwhatwork · 12/09/2013 08:20

No it's not a wind up I've tried to explain he isn't actually putting his finger in there just pressing on it as though he's trying to. He's even said things like you're really tight when in fact he's nowhere near. Regarding the bath stuff he seems to think its funny and says he's just being a typical bloke.

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