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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 02/09/2013 15:13

Hello all. You made me laugh about the home brew!
Rose, read your update. Sorry it has come to this. Your fw's email is ludicrous! Your post last week where you said the following was so uplifting for me. It really helped me on a down day.....
"But I have to say I just love, love, love my home at nights. Strangely, before I moved here I was so fearful about being a single mum and being alone at nights but I love it. I love my big bed, I love the peace, and I love the time I get to read, sit on mumsnet etc without being judged or forced to give him my 100% attention while he talks about how doomed we are in society. I can't believe how increasingly content I am beginning to feel. I thought that this would take me months to get to this point".
I hope you continue to feel this way and that your fw becomes a distant memory!
Nini, sorry to hear about your trip and the aftermath of it. How are things now?
DearJackie, I agree, that even thinking about match is a step nearer to indifference. Sounds like time with your family was uplifting.
Mink, I also think your girls will trust what you say over him. What an arse.
Waves to all friends here!
Update from me. I'm feeling so much stronger. I even went out and got drunk on Friday night and I don't really drink! Spent a great weekend with family and friends. The dc had fun too. Yesterday, I saw fw. He seemed better. He said that living away from us wasn't what he thought it was going to be. He told me he has done a lot of thinking. He apologised for blaming me and he could see that I was only trying to help with his depression. He also admitted that he had been difficult to live with.
What a revelation!
Whilst this was good to hear and I'm pleased he at least admits his difficulties and failings, I fear that this may be true to the norm that he sees me getting on with life and feels like he's lost control. He is on proper meds now which is good.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 02/09/2013 15:40

I also think your girls will trust what you say over him
they should not have to though. Angry (with FW) it is confusing for them. twunt. they are given the choice, their mum is a thief or their dad is a liar. not great.Sad

whilst they may well realise the truth as they get older, what a horrible truth to realise: that your father, the person from whom you get half you DNA and upon whom you should be able to reply, is a liar, a manipulator and is more interested in a petty vendetta against your mother than in you as his offspring.

Inthequietcoach · 02/09/2013 15:48

mink, there is a difference between involving dcs and setting the record straight, though. And you can also let them know it is really not something they should be concerned about, it is between the grown ups.

Re solicitor, no, i did not find one which gave half hour free. I paid an hour for one i did not like, but my current one charged half price for initial consultation. ALL you need at this moment is information, you need to know where you stand and what you can do within the law.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 02/09/2013 15:49

No, children should never be put in this position and yes, what a horrible truth. As I said, what an arse. When my DS asked fw why he left, he said "because your mother and I weren't getting on any more". So my DS was left thinking it was perhaps my fault. I spoke to DS in front of fw explaining this was not the case.

Inthequietcoach · 02/09/2013 15:49

mink, sorry to your last post, the thing is, your DCs will have you. They will not be realising that both their parents could not give a flying fuck, pardon my French.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 02/09/2013 15:51

Mink, I visited a very good lawyer 2 weeks ago I can recommend. I got first consultation free.

betterthanever · 02/09/2013 20:56

mink I am sure there are some great lawyers out there but you are right to be wary of opening the door and a never ending stream of letters ensues .. my exfw has the privilidge of his costs being paid for by the tax payer to boot and I have to respond and pay for the privilidge. As a FW they love having lies put in writting by lawyers thinking it gives them the credibility they think they deserve. Eventually when they have financially sbused you to the point of bankcrupcy the truth may or may not come out. You are doing the right thing to approach with care. I was given very good advice the other day not by a lawyer but by a really good dad - he said - DC are not stupid - they see through so much more adult b*llshit than you think - they know the truth more than you think. In relation to the particular incident I thought I may have to explain to DS he was spot on - I did not have to explain DS understood.
Your FW has put you in such a difficult position on purpose I am sorry I can't remember how old DC is but could you can say something like- you are sorry that FW has mentioned the subject to them at all as some things have to talked about by adults but you can put thier mind at rest that you have not stolen anything because if you had then the police would come round and they have not so you could not have stolen anything.

ponygirlcurtis · 02/09/2013 21:47

mink, no unfortunately not all solicitors offer a free half-hr consultation. But many do, it's a question of finding them. WA is a good place to start in terms of finding one that will offer a free half hr and be savvy on abuse-related issues. If you get an appointment with one, certainly mention the problem with him and his spurious letters.

Flora that sounds good for you, and good for your ex. Him getting some proper help now is important, no matter what happens going forward. You deserve a bit of fun, so glad you are having it! There's nowt wrong with that.

betterthanever · 02/09/2013 22:16

YY to what pony said flora enjoy yourself.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 02/09/2013 23:55

Thanks all and thanks for the PMs. getting it all a bit clearer now Smile If I do go to see sol I think I know what I need to ask them.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 03/09/2013 00:08

Good. I made a list when I went. I also took my cousin who took copious notes, and summarised the main points for me in an email. So good to take someone with you.
I had a weak moment and sent my fw an I miss you text. He didnt reply. Back to square one and learned a lesson. Should I ignore the lack of reply or acknowlege it in some way? it bothers me he thinks hes in control. Grrr!

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 03/09/2013 00:13

Just ignore it and pretend it never happened flora. Next time either right the text and don't send or write it on paper and then store it (in a copy of Lundy). Cake Brew just as well he ignored it really otherwise you might get sucked back in. he may have made progress but that is far from an abject apology, owning all his behaviour, making amends, and changing the way he thinks.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 03/09/2013 00:14

Stay quiet re text flora - pretend in your head it was meant for a new fancy man, perhaps, and you accidentally sent it to FW

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 03/09/2013 00:14

Write the text. Blush

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 03/09/2013 00:18

Thanks. Im not replying. Back to operation Flora and ensuring Im happy on my own. No need for this man. Concentrate on things Flora finds fun. Enjoy the peace. My plan tomorrow is to buy new bedding and make my bedroom look nice for me.
Hope u are ok and you will feel better speaking to a solicitor to know your options.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 03/09/2013 00:19

Silvery, x post. Hreat advice. I shall do that.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 03/09/2013 07:40

I bought new bedding too Smile not managed to entice anyone into it yet though

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 03/09/2013 14:11

Got my bedding. Posh stuff too! Can't wait to move furniture and make it my haven.
Quiet here today.

ninilegsintheair · 03/09/2013 14:13

Afternoon ladies. I am home mostly unscathed from camping. FW didn't have too many outbursts the one before we went was bad enough although he did yell at me in front of my family for not scraping the remains of DD's breakfast into the bin so bits of cereal had stuck to the bowl. When alone shortly afterwards I quietly reminded him that his attitude in situations like that is why I don't want to 'cuddle' him.

He insisted on spooning me last night as we went to sleep and is now all friendly again (even kissed me as he went out to work). I, on the other hand, just feel a little bit soiled from the experience.

Off to a wedding this weekend for a much-loved friend - this sounds ridiculous but there's something about another couple's obvious happiness that makes me feel very sad indeed.

Hooray for new bedding Mink. Smile

ponygirlcurtis · 03/09/2013 15:26

Hey Flora - well done on both getting some lovely new bedding, and not doing anything more about the text (and lack of response). Hope he continues to ignore, because if he responds you are going to have find the strength to keeping ignoring again.

Nini - glad you are largely unscathed. How did he respond when you reminded him that shouting at you didn't help? I completely know what you mean about how being at a wedding when you feel so desolate inside yourself can make everything seem extra sad. Another one to just get through. Sad

Bounty, how's things?

ninilegsintheair · 03/09/2013 16:00

He grumbled and was typically angry for some time Pony. Honestly the word 'sorry' has never been in his vocab. But what got me was that nobody stood up for me Sad. Granted this was my extended family (Grandparents, aunts, cousins) but my immediate family never do either. Never once has anybody told him not to lay into me, or to back off. Not once. Ever. Sad

How are you?

ponygirlcurtis · 03/09/2013 17:09

That can't help Nini, if family seem to think this kind of behaviour is acceptable. I guess it might point to that attitude being taught to you from a young age. Sad

I am good, thanks. Getting myself together in lots of ways - have discovered knitting, and am actually going along to a group for it tonight! A new hobby and an evening out of the house - what's not to like? Smile

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 03/09/2013 18:13

Hi Nini, good to see you back.
Pony, Great regards knitting. What are you going to make?

ponygirlcurtis · 03/09/2013 21:20

Flora I am currently making a scarf, because at the moment I am just starting out and doing something simple. I can already see that it will be too wide, but I don't care, I am going to finish it!

betterthanever · 04/09/2013 20:17

nini as Lundy says when people sit on the fence they side with the abuser - I had never thought of that before I read the book. So sorry you felt unsupported. Have you told them much about how you have been feeling/have been treated? they may have not wanted to say anything for fear of it causing you more trouble. Hope you can spend some time with some supportive close friends in RL. Bet you feel exhausted Sad
Enjoy the nitting pony have you been to anymore WA events?

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