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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin


Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!




Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 21:51

Wine Cheers, everyone. FW has gone away (only for one night) and left an opened bottle, so I am doing the decent thing and finishing it up. Not like me at all!

Hellos to Flora and StuntNun. My first thought on reading your posts, StuntNun, was that the effect of his weird behaviour is that you are walking on eggshells, trying to secondguess him in order to escape the bad temper from him. That in itself doesn't look good.

As for what to do now, when I was recognising FW's behaviours and wanting some positive way forward, the only helpful thing I could come up with was suggesting to him, over and over, that he went for counselling. Of course, he didn't, because his behaviour was not causing any problems for him. And probably it'd just've made him a "happier, more well-rounded abuser" (to paraphrase St Lundy) in any case.

The thing I thought he really should do was go on an abusers' programme. And of course that was never going to happen. He all but patted me on the head for my silly delusions and explained that he had never hit me, had the police out for his behaviour or anything remotely like that, so the abuser programme people had told him he was in the wrong place. Hmm

If you are wondering if it's just bad programming from childhood, you could maybe suggest the Freedom Programme for men? I've not read up about it, so that's not a recommendation as I'm a bit wary of it, but maybe it's worth a try. The important thing is that he has to want to get help, otherwise it's not going to work. And from what you've said, I'm not sure how likely that is.

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 21:55

Breathe, have you seen the inspiring stories thread?

bounty - ah yes, the house. Will post about that in a sec.

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/08/2013 21:56

OMG Charlotte and Breathe's FWs - don't you get it? It's O.V.E.R!!!!!

Gotta admire their persistance, totally pointless waste of energy though it it! Like the moth flying at the lightbulb all night. Grin

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 22:08

So, yes, I went to see the house today. But not before FW cornered me found me briefly in a different room from the dcs and told me he was still interested in the house and would I find out such-and-such about the place for him. Wtf??

The house itself is great. Lots of room, great location. Enough outside space to be manageable. Bit worried about the money side, but I've done the sums repeatedly and it should be manageable. The worst bit is the initial outlay, particularly as FW has spied on me found out that I've opened a separate account and, even though there is no money in it, he is immediately talking about how I shouldn't use the joint account and he should give me maintenance instead (no word on how much!).

FW is away for the night but sent a text asking how the house was. Have not replied as I really don't know what to say! It's not available till the end of September (disappointing), but I'm going to take it. Want to smooth that over with him somehow - he is not going to be happy. (It's a nice house, y'see, worthy of even the high expectations of a FW - and therefore I should meekly hand it over to him. Cos obviously he is more important blah blah blah.)

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bountyicecream · 11/08/2013 22:16

crushed the martyr position is being acted out right now as he's sat at the bottom of the garden having a bonfire and sniffing because his opinion counts for nothing.

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/08/2013 22:17

Hurrah for you lady!!!! Are you going to take the house tomorrow first thing? If so, don't reply to his text till after you've sorted it, wouldn't put it past him to swoop in.

And the joint account is still half yours. Make sure he doesnt empty it himself to avoid giving you anything!

Exciting!

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/08/2013 22:19

bounty can you throw him on it?? Grin

When is your next counselling session?

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bountyicecream · 11/08/2013 22:19

Ooooh Charlotte. That's exciting. When I finally manage to leave, aside from the fresh start, the other best thing will be being able to walk away from all fw's clutter from years of hoarding

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honey86 · 11/08/2013 22:20

lol @ st lundy- the dv policeman said something similar, that going to give fw a warning wont make him stop, itll just make him learn from it in a way that benefits him i.e. makes him more aware of what buttons he can press and get away with. he suggests taking the 'dumb and inexperienced' approach, leave him to build a wall of evidence against himself... then (as he worded it) we can nail the bastard Grin

my fw ex also tried the 'ill go for the counselling you tried to get me to do, but ill need your support' trick. now i think about it, id rather he didnt for the reasons lundy and the dvpc layed out. he can stay messed up if he likes, i will not. id rather deal with a fw that will trip himself up, than one that is clever as fook and can slither through loopholes.

hmm can i really say that?? yehh why not Smile

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bountyicecream · 11/08/2013 22:20

I'm tempted pony. It's this Sunday. Fw is so unenthusiastic it's unbelievable.

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BloomingRose · 11/08/2013 22:27

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bountyicecream · 11/08/2013 22:33

Holding your hand rose

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minkembernard · 11/08/2013 22:33

Grin at throw him on it.

I had a look back at my early posts. i was really quite cross back then Wink but a good reminder of why i kicked him into touch.

i did note i was moaning the fact that he would move on quick. and how often seen the same observation from others since. reflecting on it it is nothing to be envious of, just a sign that FWs are shallow and that a parasite cannot survive long without a host. And despite all their self agrandisement (sp ?) the don't actually get on that well with themselves.

Whereas we of course have more self respect, self reliance and self awareness. GrinFlowers
Really we are the strong ones.

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 22:55

he can stay messed up if he likes, i will not. id rather deal with a fw that will trip himself up, than one that is clever as fook and can slither through loopholes.

Hear hear! :o

Rose, rest in the knowledge, at least, that this is entirely normal. You are about to make your break for freedom, but it is also a step into the unknown. Fear is saying, "Nooooo! Frying pan - fire - don't do it!" The thing about emotions is that you can listen to them but you don't have to be guided by them.

I hope you feel much better by this time tomorrow. x

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 22:56

At least, be guided by them but know when to say know to them! iykwim

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 22:56

know no. Arrgghh!! :o

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/08/2013 23:01

Rose try and get some sleep. It is scary, and overwhelming. If I shut my eyes, I can feel a little of what you must be feeling by just remembering. But this time tomorrow... you will be in your own place, starting your own future with DD. Get some rest and drink Brew in the morning. We'll be here.

mink that's a really good way to look at it. You have a way with analogies! I've always liked the 'emotional vampire' idea, but the suggestion that FWs are parasites, draining their hosts of strength, self-respect and self-esteem (not to mention money) is perfect. Their attachments are shallow, even with their own children. But we, we are the strong ones. We have survived their attack and gotten ourselves and our children free from them. We can do anything we want with out lives. They can only hope to go on doing the same sorry thing, and draining the life out of someone else. I almost feel sorry for them. not really, they are all FWs!!!!

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/08/2013 23:05

Fook! Haven't heard that used in ages. Used to have a Yorkshire boyfriend at university, used it all the time then. I use 'feck' more often now, Father Ted legacy plus 20 years of Irishness ingrained from DS1's dad's family...

Fook and feck!

Could almost be characters from the new CBeebies show... Grin


Fook and Feck, they're always together
Fook and Feck, best friends forever...

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:09

yy to FW swooping in, pony. I know he's spoken to the agent about the house. But I believe he can't put an offer in till he's viewed the place.

(If I didn't think that, I'm not sure how I'd sleep tonight!)

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:10

Ha! Brilliant - I'd watch it! :o

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honey86 · 11/08/2013 23:23

rose Thanks hang in there..

LOL @ fook and feck Grin i actually snorted on my gaviscon when i read that Grin

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:34

Just setting up a new thread for the night shift if there is one tonight.

Leave a post for the linky, please?

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:38

Here it is

See you over there. x

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:38

Random x there - getting a bit easy after my Wine...

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