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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BloomingRose · 10/08/2013 18:15

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 10/08/2013 18:45

rose grit your teeth re FW and how he gets by. It is His Problem and no-one else's.

You will continue to be a good mum to DD, and there will be Fun! (Remember that?)

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 10/08/2013 19:11

Hi all. Sorry to be gone for so long. Have been ill and lots of things going on. H has just today decided to go for the "head fuck" routine. I was feeling okay about everything, and now am just stressed and freaking out.

I'm going to read back a bit and see how everyone's doing.

minkembernard · 10/08/2013 19:45

Happy anniversary silvery

Alice hope you are feeling better.

rose nearly there.

noregrets sadly i think we can expect nothing more from a FW but great advice from apetals

breathe how long before the holiday is over?

bounty how are you?

minkembernard · 10/08/2013 19:46

Oh and thanks rose. I am bobbing back up slowly. therapeutic jam making and baking.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 10/08/2013 20:26

I always say you can't beat a good bit of therapeutic eating baking...

ponygirlcurtis · 10/08/2013 20:27

Rose you are nearly there. What he does for money is not your problem. Although he will certainly try and make it yours, either through guilting you with sob stories or making out that it's all your fault. So prepare yourself mentally for telling him to FOTTFSOF. Can you get a USB tomorrow and get the photos? I worry that he wont keep his promise, and then you'll be left without them. Don't rely on him for anything. Assume he'll let you down, then you can be pleasantly surprised if he doesn't.

Alice hope you are doing ok. Come and vent if you need to.

Silvery happy anniversary. Wine

breathe yuck. Just that! Grin

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 10/08/2013 20:37
crushedpetals · 10/08/2013 20:44

rose, get a USB stick tomorrow and download the photos, I would not trust him with something so precious. or borrow the laptop to be returned once you have downloaded the photos, but as far as he is concerned some other reason photos=power to FW. Make sure you have everything important to you covered.

silver, somehow missed your one year anniversary in my joy at painting a wall. Well done.

Painting/renovating was one thing I was not 'allowed' to do, even though I renovated two houses already. How do they do it?!

crushedpetals · 10/08/2013 20:45

Sorry realise pony already said that to rose.

ponygirlcurtis · 10/08/2013 20:50

petals hurrah for your painting/freedom - what colour did you go for?

Holiday was fab thanks. Crazy, non-stop and hectic (some days we had three different 'meeting up with people' arrangements to keep!) but fab. My boys were brilliant, they did really well despite all the travelling, new people, strange beds, etc. Is it wrong to say I'm also feeling a little bit 'yaaaaaay' about myself that not only did I manage a potentially stressful week-long holiday with loads of driving and looking after two boisterous boys on my own, but I really enjoyed it? Before I met FW, he said that any holiday he took his girls on he always came home early from because he couldn't cope with them on his own! So hurrah for me!!!! Wine

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 10/08/2013 20:58

Woohoo! Go Rose! So close now - you are nearly there and still strong, lady!

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 10/08/2013 21:22

Well done Rose!! Grin

pony - I won't vent. I want to, but I'm not going to let it get ahold of my head at this point any more than it has. It was basically the "let's give it another try" with a few very Hmm options included. I had to respond carefully and neutrally as DCs were nearby.

ponygirlcurtis · 10/08/2013 21:25

Well done Alice for being able to be restrained with the kids nearby. I struggle to remain calm in situations like that so am admiring! Are you going to reply to him in a more definite way by email or anything like that, or did he get the message at the time?

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 10/08/2013 21:29

I just outlined a number of changes he needed to do before I was even willing to discuss it. And that I currently was happy with things the way they were. It didn't go over well.

ponygirlcurtis · 10/08/2013 22:46

That sounds perfectly reasonable, Alice. If it didn't go down well, then it's because he's not happy with the current state of things, for one reason or another. Whether you or the kids are happy are far from his mind... Well done for standing your ground.

I reread some of my first posts earlier today (I have saved them all on a Word doc). It was strange reading. Not sure whether I was appalled at how deeply mired I was, or just staggered at the insight and generosity of the other lovely people posting (many of whom are still around today - waves to Silvery, fool, Nini, and Leclerc, in absentia). I could see how manipulative he was being at the time, but not how deeply engaged I was. Now I am disengaged and detached, it makes stark reading. I was so, so, so unhappy. But somehow, I couldn't break away from the thing making me unhappy. Rose, Bounty, you can only go up from here.

BreatheandFlyAway · 11/08/2013 03:16

Mink love the train to indifference with bar service courtesy if Vixens- and the smoking balcony of course- am thinking of joining silver there.

Pony wayhay on your fab holiday:)

Rose another one sending support and hugs your way. I so sympathise with your pain. And yes my fw has also said but what about what I want. Do they think we're blow up dolls or something?! I said to mine, repeatedly, please so not touch me. He just says how he has fallen in live with me again (oh coincidence it's when he's being cast adrift) and isn't it marvellous- ER NO as I have says u want a divorce, we are separated in all but postal address and IT'S OVER, in on the beautiful train to indifference and independence, doesn't he realise? Mink please stamp my one way ticket!

Oh and I agree about stunted development too on my own part due to years of allowing myself to ge fwitted - what fw doesn't realise though is that I've suddenly moved on over past two years via this thread counselling and FP.

Petals glad to hear about your wall and the absence of fwittery Smile

Alice hang on in there sweetie xxx

Charlotte hello!

Fw's plan was obviously to Hoover me on holidays. He's gutted it's not working. I can't believe I ever did fall for his crap in fact.

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/08/2013 09:15

Rose you are going because if you don't you and your beautiful DD will continue to live the miserable life you have been up till now. You have tried all you can to be happy living with him. Madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. You are reaching for a different outcome by doing something different. It is the only way to feel different. You need to do this, and your DD needs you to.

Plus, he's a freeloading cocklodger who is slowly bleeding you dry! That's a reason all on its own, even if he was not EA as well.

It is normal to be feeling the fear, now that the day is so close. Feel the fear and do it anyway.

Keep posting today, all day if you have to, to get you through till tomorrow. Your Freedom Day.

ponygirlcurtis · 11/08/2013 09:29

And is it your birthday today? Happy birthday sweetie. Flowers

Think of all the freedom flowers you can have in your lovely new place, and think how happy it will make you to see them.

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/08/2013 10:26

Rose, grieve. You need to grieve. You can't bottle it up, it will only fester. Being upset is normal. Emotions are normal. Feeling these emotions is the first step to getting them out of your system and then being more able to detach from him.

You didn't want too much, what you wanted - to be loved, cherished, respected - is what everyone wants. But he is not the man to give you what you need, because he can only truly care about himself, he has no capacity to care about others, except in terms of what they can do for him.

Cry, grieve, feel. Tomorrow is the start of something new, and something better.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 11/08/2013 10:34

rose Many Happy Returns of the Day.

If it's any help, mine berated me for spending time in bed during the day. In part, I was hiding from the housework (he hardly did any - and I was too resentful to do more than the basics) and Him - he was always bloody there.

FWIW it sounds like he got it about right with your birthday card. But you would always have found it odd.

minkembernard · 11/08/2013 10:43

rose i think you want him to love you because after all you have put up with for him all the ways you have changed for him and all the things you have done for him he really ought to. You have invested a lot in this with very little return.
And because we all want to be loved to be liked by people. trying to make people like us is a really hard instinct to fight against.

But...that does not mean you love him or that you need him nor do you need his love.

He really is not worth it.

Grieve for the love you should have had. and then go out into the world and find it. first start with yourself. Flowers

Next birthday will be much happier.

Straw poll - did FW always in some way ruin your birthday or make it hard work?
Mine did. Either giving presents to or receiving presents from FW was very stressful