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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 06/08/2013 11:01

I'm 5 miles away at the moment, so it's doable by car here. I can only face moving to a smaller property (where the kids'll no longer have a room each) if it improves things for the kids in other ways: school and friends within walking distance, which means in the village itself or nothing. If I can't live there, it's more sensible that FW moves out as he has much less connection to the area (just the dcs!).

Our life is in the village and it's surprisingly hard (for me, anyway) to arrange playdates and build friendships while living in the next town.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 06/08/2013 11:02

Plus I can only really afford to live by myself if I'm not reliant on the car. (Which I've told FW I'm taking, but have no real claim to in any case.)

TheSilverySoothsayer · 06/08/2013 11:36

So you want to stay in the house. Is that doable financially? (ignoring the FW factor except for CSA payments)

But he won't move out. Is he planning to stay there? Is that doable for him?

Is he being a dog in the manger about this? If so, what is it he really wants?

crushedpetals · 06/08/2013 11:36

If I can't live there, it's more sensible that FW moves out

minkembernard · 06/08/2013 11:38

charlotte Sad as petal says do you have to tell them you are a single parent- or do they already know? IMO it is none of their business but I suppose it may come up if they ask you to prove your income etc.

is FW likely to move out or will he dig his heels in?

and petals thanks Flowers

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 06/08/2013 11:50

First question they ask is who would be living in the property with you.

I'd much rather move into the village, because all my support is there; it would be easier with the kids; and I'd have a little control over when we separate and how much of FW's junk I can walk away from.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 06/08/2013 12:19

Charlotte - Ah I see. Well, maybe it's time to think about the staying where you are option, even though it's not the best. With a view to relocating to the village itself further down the line.

In which case, I'd still be asking the questions I asked above.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 06/08/2013 12:21

Agent just rang - she's read the email I sent and has spoken to the landlord who's reconsidered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Viewing on Sunday. Oh my.

minkembernard · 06/08/2013 14:12

yay. yay. Smile
good luck!

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 06/08/2013 16:55

Brilliant news charlotte I am also crossing fingers for you...

NoraLuca · 06/08/2013 17:11

Hi all Smile

Charlotte, good luck for Sunday - it is so so hard finding a house when you're not the 'ideal' 2 parents both working in well paid jobs family, and letting agencies can be such arses (and some are v. nice, of course!). I will admit to lying on the the financial resources form I had to fill in (not good but the other option was staying with H), and including child benefit as if it were part of my wages. Letting agency lady blatantly noticed what I'd done but turned a blind eye.

mink IME they don't openly ask if you are a single parent but as Charlotte says they ask who will be living with you... and even if they don't ask that they ask for wage slips.

Six months since leaving H... He is being an arse, to me and the DDs. I can see him doing the nice / mean / nice / mean cycle to the DDs and I want to take them far away and never let them see him again before they get hurt but of course that would be a bad solution.

He doesn't want the DDs to be minded by my parents over the holidays (it was meant to be 1 day a week, so not like they'd spend all their time there!) and came round to my house yesterday. We had a 'discussion' which ended up with him calling me a cunt in front of the DDs. His idea of a discussion is where he tells me what to do, I say 'Yes H' and that's it.

The DDs sometimes say they don't want to see him, but then if they don't see him, they cry. Often they say they hate me and it's my fault for making Daddy angry. I don't know what to do, really.

I swear in my next life I won't go near men at all and be a nun all peaceful in my convent.

minkembernard · 06/08/2013 19:05

Oh nora. It must be hard for the dcs and hard for you to watch. is the contact court mandated? Have they had any counselling?

One of my very wise friends who has been through this as a child said try will really struggle to begin with. they too are grieving. and they want what their friends have. however, when they get to about 18 or 19 they will sort it out for themselves and see him for what he is. a long wait i know but what she was trying to say is that the damage is not necessarily permanent but they can only deal with it in in the sages appropriate to their age.

minkembernard · 06/08/2013 19:06

Oh nora. It must be hard for the dcs and hard for you to watch. is the contact court mandated? Have they had any counselling?

One of my very wise friends who has been through this as a child said try will really struggle to begin with. they too are grieving. and they want what their friends have. however, when they get to about 18 or 19 they will sort it out for themselves and see him for what he is. a long wait i know but what she was trying to say is that the damage is not necessarily permanent but they can only deal with it in in the sages appropriate to their age.

minkembernard · 06/08/2013 19:09

Re. single parenthood
.yes of course. i forgot about all the bank wages stuff.

betterthanever · 06/08/2013 21:12

nora that is terrible. I know you are trying to do everything you can but the evil he is demonstrating is not on. Can you limit the contact he has with you?

TheSilverySoothsayer · 06/08/2013 21:14

Children appreciate honest simple explanations about the choices we have to make in life. Give them your honesty, about life in general as you go along, and I think they will notice the difference between you and FW. But do not bad-mouth him, of course in front of them

And you will also be showing them how nice, normal people behave.

Reading this back it sounds a bit patronising, hope you see what I mean...

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 06/08/2013 21:47

What if you never meet Mr Wonderful? At least you'll have escaped from Mr Selfish Lazy Emotional-Depth-of-Pondscum Cocklodger.

betterthanever · 06/08/2013 22:06

rose he is doing this so you will ask him to go with you. He is withdrawing his love to get you to love him as he wants you to love him, by doing what he says - it's a horrible tactic but very often works and he knows it. You are doing the right things - posting on here being one of them, keep letting it all out. You will grieve for the life you thought you had for some time - it shows you are a nice person. I don't think you will be able to have free thinking until you are out and the manipulation is not all around you - they are very good, it works this manipulation lark otherwise they would not bother.

bountyicecream · 06/08/2013 22:09

charlotte great news re the house

nora that does sound tough. When I had my free session with the sol one of my queries was about access to gps as my h hates me parents and never wants dd to be left 'unattended' with them. The sol said that the courts actively encourage gp involvement and so unless my parents have a criminal record or he can show that they're a danger to dd then basically it's tough what he wants and they can see as much as each other in my time. I think the swearing at you in front of the dd is the issue. Can you firmly say that the dc should not have to hear that language or see him being rude to you. And that 'discussions' (sounds like my fw's idea of a debate too) will have to be done by email if he can't talk civilly to you.

rose you can't get the baby time back but you have many many more years of good times and memories to build with you and dd. I wouldn't even think about whether you'll ever meet anyone else or not. As Charlotte says, even if you don't then life will still be far better than with mr FW. And many women have said never again only to find a few years down the line that they have healed and can trust again. You do have time on your side. In 10 years you'll still be in your baby making years and an awful lot will change in that time. Stay strong x

betterthanever · 06/08/2013 22:09

silver you are very wise - can I ask you something please - everyone says do not bad mouth them in front of DC - but it confuses me. I know my DS hasnever met my exfw but if it was wanyone else doing something really bad I would say, so why not say about him? do my duty to protect and guide my DS not extend to giving him info I know? surley I can't not voice that what exfw has done in terms of his absence is not wrong? I would never tittle tackle and there are some things DS is too young to know or should never know but I think it is ok to bad mouth sometimes?

bountyicecream · 06/08/2013 22:16

Good question better. I'm awaiting silvery's wisdom. Is there a difference about being honest about what fw's have done and explaining that its not nice to act like this and general moaning about the nitty gritty of what they've done? Just musing really. I suppose your situation is. A little different in that there is currently no relationship between your ds and ex fw. Most of our dc do love our fw's which makes it hard too. But then it seems your supposed to be helping your ds build a relationship which is so hard

betterthanever · 06/08/2013 22:29

Thanks for that bounty you are right that the situation is different if the love for a FW is already there. I don't nitty gritty although DS does Smile. I actually do try and stop him doing that to which I get a confused little face and then I feel sorry more for him as this situation is difficult. I will never help DS build a relationship with exfw, never - am I wrong? I would feel like I am throwing him to the wolves and sending him down the path to self destruction. I have always wanted to give DS a leg up to better things and can't understand why exfw would want to drag him back other than to get at me and show his powerful abilities.

bountyicecream · 06/08/2013 22:45

I wouldn't say it's wrong to not help ds build a relationship with fw. Like you say it is unlikely any good or real life enhancement will come from it. I suppose (depending on ds's age) it is important to allow him some contact so that when he reaches adulthood he can't look back and blame you for keeping him from his father. But this is different to actively building a relationship. More allowing whatever access the court deems necessary (providing to is reasonable) and supporting him with processing his feelings when fw inevitably let's him down.

I don't think any mother would actually want to encourage a previously happy ds to bond with a man that they know from bitter experience is unlikely to turn out well. It is natural to want to protect him from the hurt that you've experienced.